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[God]

The idealogy, sure, I could totally see.  There are always morons that think their racial group is superior...an attitude that deserves a bullet in the face in response.

 

So, you're saying that you deserve one here? 

 

That seems to be what you're implying via the ideological chain. 

 

Besides, Cerberus focuses on species variance and power, not racial characteristics. Given by the fact that people like Jacob and Dr. Cole were able to serve in said organization, I very, very highly doubt that Cerberus was racist.

[God]

I blame the Eugenics movement

 

For me, it's not about eugenics at all, which, despite popular derailment, isn't actually entirely dead conceptually. It's just that what we were looking at and for before wasn't the way to discern where the greatest traits could come to head, and the way we tried to bring them out was so poorly misunderstood.

 

But alas, no, I'm more of the opinion that we need a stronger group that stands for human interests decisively, and puts us on a level where we don't need to fear competition from other species.

[God]

Cerberus ideology is fascism, possibly even nazism. It's fine to want to critically explore those thought processes in a game however many times it's already been done before. But I find it disconcerting that there are people on here that find cerberus appealing and idealizing them.

 

Not even close mate. You'r way off if you think Cerberus is even remotely akin to either fascism or Nazism. If you're drawing that conclusion, the only thing I have to tell you is that you're just categorically false, something I think is plausible given the likely emotional outrage that the methodology pursued by Cerberus might have caused from you.

[Helios969]

So, you're saying that you deserve one here? 

 

That seems to be what you're implying via the ideological chain. 

 

Besides, Cerberus focuses on species variance and power, not racial characteristics. Given by the fact that people like Jacob and Dr. Cole were able to serve in said organization, I very, very highly doubt that Cerberus was racist.

Ah, yes, Cerberus is comprised of such fine young men and women who would never abuse their power via torture or murder to further their goals.  My mistake.

[God]

Ah, yes, Cerberus is comprised of such fine young men and women who would never abuse their power via torture or murder to further their goals.  My mistake.

 

If such goals were worthy enough of pursuit, how they are achieved would be irrelevant. As well, on one hand, you use loaded language to describe their actions to be of a negative variety. You can generally define those actions any way you wish, and any potential meaning is almost categorically meaningless when applied to the big picture. Also, you assume that such language is a deterrent given a social construction around acting ethically and morally, even at the expense of practical methodology that takes an 'exitus acta probat' stance. I don't disagree with Cerberus' methods so long as they are effective. Thus, I support 'torture' and 'murder' if it has a practical value and works. I support that my country does it, though not the context behind their perceived utility. Lastly, you're not defining the power that Cerberus has, nor are you remembering that the nature of power is to not be held rationally, as people believe, but to be used at the unfettered whims of whomever has it. It's their power, they can do what they wish with it.

 

So yes, your mistake.

 

But I'll stop you here and invite you to the 'Should Cerberus appear in MEA' thread here.

[Killdren88]

People are actually defending Cerberus and their actions? Eh...not as  completely stupid than those who defended the Reapers back then.

[God]

People are actually defending Cerberus and their actions? Eh...not as  completely stupid than those who defended the Reapers back then.

 

Defended them too. Still do.

[Killdren88]

Defended them too. Still do.

 

Ah, then who am I to question God? ./Sarcasm

[God]

Good question. Well, let's hear it.

[Killdren88]

Good question. Well, let's hear it.

 

Eh, not sure where to start since judging by your past post, you're a ends justify the means sort of person. Posing as a refugee center for more test subjects? Sure no problem. Putting Reaper tech into your followers turning them into obedient drones? Sure! Attacking the Citadel killing people who aren't apart of your ideology? Sounds great. Future generations of humans will surely thank us for our actions.

[themikefest]

Humanity #1. Excellent

[katamuro]

No please no, let cerberus die. 

[God]

Eh, not sure where to start since judging by your past post, you're a ends justify the means sort of person. Posing as a refugee center for more test subjects? Sure no problem. Putting Reaper tech into your followers turning them into obedient drones? Sure! Attacking the Citadel killing people who aren't apart of your ideology? Sounds great. Future generations of humans will surely thank us for our actions.

 

I am indeed a firm believer in Exitus Acta Probat. 

 

I daresay that the type of people are generally more... excellent. 

 

But yes, posing as a refugee center for more test subjects. It's great: it eliminates excessive population that isn't contributing to the war effort and taking away resources from those who are, while denying their utility by the Reapers for their own ends, and also supplying you with substantial research via their death, and shock troopers that are recognized as effective forces for your war effort. That's actually rather practical.

 

Yes, turning your followers into obedient drones; it works. They don't question orders or authority. They enforce your power and establishment. If you have even the slightest authoritative notions, that's a good thing.

 

And yes, attacking and enacting a coup that is successful is great if you want to establish a power base.

 

I don't care how humanity views it. What matters is that we're at the top, ascended, and dominant.

[Vortex13]

Cerberus and their ideology wouldn't be so prevalent if the narrative didn't subtly agree with them and have humanity as the special special snowflakes of the universe. Why wouldn't there be human supremacist groups, after all humanity has been granted an embassy on the Citadel in less than thirty years and a seat on the Council in less than a single year? Why wouldn't people view humanity as the true leaders of the galaxy when our businesses and economic ingenuity have allowed us to surpass even Volus interests, despite the later having the infrastructure and foundation of thousands of years? Why wouldn't individuals like TIM rise to power, since it's obvious that humanity is better than the rest of the galaxy tactfully speaking, being the only ones to think of carriers, and is more 'genetically diverse' than all the other species? Etc.

 

If the narrative took some of the wind out of humanity's sails, groups like Cerberus wouldn't have as much ammunition to use.

[von uber]

I remember, Massively, in one of our previous cerberus discussions you refused to answer as to whether you would willingly sacrifice your own parents / siblings / family for the greater good - for example give your mum over for some Horizon style experiments. You know, for the greater good and all.

[Darth_Atreyu]

Not even close mate. You'r way off if you think Cerberus is even remotely akin to either fascism or Nazism. If you're drawing that conclusion, the only thing I have to tell you is that you're just categorically false, something I think is plausible given the likely emotional outrage that the methodology pursued by Cerberus might have caused from you.

Pure garbage, please don't pseudo-psycho analys me or my reasoning and motives in the future because it'll be ignorant at best or pure conjecture coupled with malice at worst. It seems to me that you don't know what fascism is or how those thought processes would apply in a multi-species galaxy. Of course Cerberus have fascist ideals.

[Zazzerka]

Massively

 

I thought he sounded familiar.

[KaiserShep]

Whether or not one likes the whole "Cerberus" ideology, I think it would be a good thing to have options for the character to express such views as humanity first and so forth. I mean, this is a roleplaying game, yes?

 

If the narrative took some of the wind out of humanity's sails, groups like Cerberus wouldn't have as much ammunition to use.

 

Thing is, the whole idea of protecting humanity first against the backdrop of a galactic community is a good enough reason for something like Cerberus to exist. Just look at the salarian STG. They are salarian-first and do crazy experiments. 

[von uber]

I thought he sounded familiar.

Yup, the one and only.

[God]

Pure garbage, please don't pseudo-psycho analys me or my reasoning and motives in the future because it'll be ignorant at best or pure conjecture coupled with malice at worst. It seems to me that you don't know what fascism is or how those thought processes would apply in a multi-species galaxy. Of course Cerberus have fascist ideals.

 

I didn't psycho analyze you. I simply stated what I suspected your response was based upon. 

 

I do indeed know Fascism. Cerberus doesn't idealize that concept. They aren't running a police state, they aren't advocating an 'us vs. them' perspective, they aren't intolerant, they aren't even really a right-wing organization. Hell, in many ways, they're not even ideologically nationalistic. 

 

You'll have to point out exactly what Cerberus does that is fascist in nature.

[God]

I remember, Massively, in one of our previous cerberus discussions you refused to answer as to whether you would willingly sacrifice your own parents / siblings / family for the greater good - for example give your mum over for some Horizon style experiments. You know, for the greater good and all.

 

If it truly helped, which I doubt it would. As I recall, I remember that you actually refused to accept the answer that I provided you. You didn't want to accept my answer, because it wasn't what you wanted to hear (which I suspect was something that would be authoritarian that you could rail on, and probably state was the problem with Americans). I wouldn't sacrifice my own parents for the greater good unless there was a specific reason it had to be them and no one else. I don't think mom and dad have anything that special about them that requires their sacrifice.

 

My answer was this: anyone will do for most of the issues. I can afford to be picky. Thus, I will be. I doubt that satisfies you.

[God]

I thought he sounded familiar.

 

Took you this long did it?

[ExoGeniVI]

People are actually defending Cerberus and their actions? Eh...not as  completely stupid than those who defended the Reapers back then.

LOL I remember that

[Indigenous]

That's not what Cerberus is about at all. I don't get why so many people think that Cerberus is all about hatred and fear of change. Cerberus does not stand for those.

 

If you say that they do, you are incorrect.

That seems to be the prevailing opinion of most people that subscribe to hate groups. I mean this statement is so vague I would be surprised if it isn't some sort of official hate group response statement.

 

 

That's not what <Insert name of hate group here> is about at all. I don't get why so many people think that <Insert name of hate group here> is all about hatred and fear of change.

<Insert name of hate group here> does not stand for those.

 

If you say that they do, you are incorrect.

 

 

(Can't tell if you are being sarcastic. )

[von uber]

My answer was this: anyone will do for most of the issues. I can afford to be picky. Thus, I will be. I doubt that satisfies you.

Why can you afford to be picky?