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[King Killoth]

so both before and after the Decent dlc we have been given hints that Orsamar is running out of food and that the King which ever one you chose is desperate for help. why is there no option to offer Aide to Orsamar by sending them food. I mean if I can send food out to the Griffin keep and the far points of the Inquisition. why can't I send food to the dwarves and help them out. Think about it it would strengthen the alliance with the Dwarves and help secure that lyrium. what do you think? would you help Orsamar or think its a bad idea.

[Ashaantha]

Well they never really went into what we are trading to get the lyrium. Inquisition could be sending all sorts of things to Orzammar, including food, not just sovereigns to get their lyrium supply.

[King Killoth]

Well they never really went into what we are trading to get the lyrium. Inquisition could be sending all sorts of things to Orzammar, including food, not just sovereigns to get their lyrium supply.

the way that the game makes it sound is that they are not getting any food from the surface as the people are rioting in the streets for food. makes me think the the trade is likely not including food.

[Ashaantha]

Aye but put it in population perspective. Orzammer isn't a city, like on the surface, it's a kingdom. Think Ferelden shoved into one "city" and you'll have something akin to Orzammer. It likely does involve food trade with the Inquisition, however supplying an entire kingdom/nation with food is much harder then a city-sized population would be, so not only is Orzammer trading with the Inquisition, but Orlais and the Merchants Guild as well to get foods, cloths etc (stuff they can't get underground), this is from ambient dialogue from dwarves at the Winter Palace also, not entirely grasping at straws. The Civil war in Orlais hurt their trade a lot, according to that ambient conversations, which is how the food shortages started in the first place so my main guess is majority of food trade for Orzammer is with the Empire of Orlais (which is freed up for continued trading after the civil war ends - winter palace quest), which can supply much more then the Inquisition, seeing as Orlais, Free Marches and possibly parts of Ferelden is where the Inquisition gets its food supply from anyway.

[Sifr]

Could also be that the tendency of Orzammar dwarves to have an abundance of pride, they have the same go-it-alone mentality when it comes to not asking any of the surface nations for help in their losing war against the darkspawn.

 

Rather than look weak by accepting charity from the Inquisition in the form of food supplies, I suspect they'd rather waste time seeking out trade deals to keep their pride and not look as desperate as they actually are.

 

That being said, you could imagine that Josephine is clever enough to know this and be able to wangle some deal that allows everyone to save face and let the dwarves come away from the table looking like they've given us peanuts in exchange for a seven course meal... so it's odd that wasn't a mission?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Why would Orzammar be more populated than any other city state in Thedas? If anything I remember getting the impression from Origins, their population was suffering a slow decline because of all the casualties in the endless war with the darkspawn.

[Urzon]

Well... Hopefully the Titan can somehow help them now. I feel for them, but I really can't stand their whole "Oh woe is us! We're so hungry and we're slowly getting killed off by Darkspawn, but we can't really fully except your help because you're icky Surfacers" mentality.  

[King Killoth]

Why would Orzammar be more populated than any other city state in Thedas? If anything I remember getting the impression from Origins, their population was suffering a slow decline because of all the casualties in the endless war with the darkspawn.

this is what I thought as well. they have a large population as compared to Denerum but not all of fereldon. I was just hoping to find a way to help them in a bigger way. I don't know why they haven't given us at the very least an operation mission to send Aide. I mean if you play as a chantry singing Inquisitor then it makes sense to help and if your a pragmatic inquisitor it helps to strengthen an alliance with the best source of lyrium

[ElementalFury106]

It's probably setting up events for future Dragon Age games, considering its referenced many times and thus far there's nothing we can do about it.

[Ariella]

It's probably setting up events for future Dragon Age games, considering its referenced many times and thus far there's nothing we can do about it.

Of course it might also be a logistical thing. They'd have to do a lot of writing and response permutations based on who's king and then they have to get Bhelen's va back plus a new va for Harrowmont considering Robin Sachs passed away.

It might just be easier to.play what's happening in the background.

[Bhaal]

Well, from what i gather from the banter between Solas and Varric; that Orzammar doesn't use it's lyrium leverage to get more help from the surface. Listening what Solas says i think dwarves waiting to die out and they're not asking for help.

[PsychoBlonde]

I was under the impression that the reason why Orzammar is having trouble is because of all the general chaos on the surface busting up trade.  Which the Inquisition gradually fixes as you acquire keeps and reopen the trade routes.

 

I find the assumption that the Inquisition buying lyrium isn't doing "enough" to help the dwarves.  This is like saying that your employer isn't feeding you because they pay you in cash instead of corn dogs.  You can use your cash to buy food, you know--assuming that trade isn't so disrupted that nobody can get to where you are to sell you anything.  In which case the Inquisition probably didn't have the resources to bring in food, anyway, at least until they'd captured several keeps and reopened the trade routes, at which point the problem is, basically, solved.

[Neoleviathan]

Orzammar will never run out of food so long as soylent green is castless.

It might have made more sense with the Inquisition being a chantry organization, for those that had the chantry from Origins was established, using Orzammar's chantry to distribute food & gain influence. That would have been a perfect consequence point for that quest in the first game.

[Vargeisa]

Wait... There are no nugs in Orzammar anymore?

[Sifr]

Why would Orzammar be more populated than any other city state in Thedas? If anything I remember getting the impression from Origins, their population was suffering a slow decline because of all the casualties in the endless war with the darkspawn.

 

Yeah, Orzammar's population is in slow decline.

 

According to lore the dwarves already have a low fertility rate, which has only gotten worse due to the constant low-level exposure to the taint they've endured over the past thousand years. Combined with how their nobles are busy murdering each other for power and how they're losing a lot of the warrior caste in clashes with the darkspawn, it means that the upper echelons of their society is crumbling around them and even some of the codex entries imply that soon the Casteless will outnumber them (if they don't already).

 

With the threat of food shortages and the Casteless already being malnourished even beforehand, it's a very real danger that in their desperation, they might organise and attempt to overthrow the weakened nobility to take control over the city. Whether such a potential coup detat might be successful or not, it would still be a disaster for Orzammar in the long run.