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[RopeDrink]

A topic for movie makers (and non-recorders alike, who may be looking to get started).

 

I just recently got a new computer (old one died specifically because the old partitioned core drives started to fail thanks to excessive recordings over 5 years of gaming). So, I'm back to testing recording & compression -- and would like input from fellow movie makers.

 

Here's how mine currently looks & sounds on the latest comp with my typical compression settings:

 

 

It looks alright - though I have a few quibbles with it. Currently using the H.264 (or whatever it's called) codec via Adobe Premiere (with FRAPS as recorder // can't beat uncompressed recordings), one pass compression with about 10bitrate setting. Blurs very very slightly on certain colours/depths but let's be honest, I don't think there's any solid complaints. Does it stream ok? (I'm using 250mb net so it's fast by default for me) Is it too loud?

 

How do you movie makers go about it? Any tricks you can share? What do you use? Any tips for others who may be looking to get started with recording?

ME3-MP is naturally good for it - the matches are fun and there's an endless supply of fun-moment compilations, solo's etc for all to enjoy. Maybe you have no movie making tips but would like to share your favourite (not self) channel or recommend top quality movies?

 

Would appreciate any feedback as I want to perfect my settings then store them away somewhere for when THIS comp dies.

[Caineghis2500]

Looks and sounds ok to me. Just like all the PC clips I've seen around here

 

 

It looks alright - though I have a few quibbles with it. Currently using the H.264 (or whatever it's called) codec via Adobe Premiere (with FRAPS as recorder // can't beat uncompressed recordings), one pass compression with about 10bitrate setting. Blurs very very slightly on certain colours/depths but let's be honest, I don't think there's any solid complaints. Does it stream ok? (I'm using 250mb net so it's fast by default for me) Is it too loud?

Also

 

[andy_3_913]

Looks and sounds fine to me, as well.

Not that I'm anything like an expert.

The odd occasion I record anything, i just use ShadowPlay.

 

Maybe Invaderone could help?

[RopeDrink]

Just like all the PC clips I've seen around here

 

Well that's good to know (I think) but to put more meat on the issue, viewing isn't the same as making. Back when I first started, the big hurdle was trying to figure out why anything I made was a low res, horrible looking mess whilst everyone else seemed to have all these shiny big videos at super quality. 8 years later and I'm still critical of everything.

The last time I visited here (quite a while ago), someone was showing a clip of ME3 the same way I am now - and while I'm sure theirs looked 'just like any other PC clip', it had noticably slick quality. YouTube is also changing and we have to keep with the times. I want to ensure I maintain solid viewing quality but also try to scrunch these clips down. It'd be handy knowledge for ME3-MP'ers, especially solo'ers, as those matches can go on for a HELLA long time - and nobody is going to want to watch something that either looks bad, or looks great but has an obscene filesize / streaming issues.

 

Just more food for thought.

 

 

 

ShadowPlay

 

Been using FRAPS/AdPrem far too long to change as they offer what I want and need - even if they're both a big CPU hogs. Haven't tried Shadowplay - but did experiment with some alternatives before. I can safely say that the recording is definitely not the issue (100% uncompressed) so in my case it's just perfecting the compression for YouTube.

 

 

As for this - if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask

[andy_3_913]

 

 

 

As for this - if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask

 

Ok, I'm asking

[Salarian Master Race]

Game runs smooth at 62ish FPS, but when I start recording in Fraps, it drops to 35ish, even if I set Fraps to record at 60ish.  Could modding the game to run at 90ish make up the 25ish drop, or does my graphics card just suck?  It's a 550 Ti.  I have two but my power supply also sucks and won't support both of them anymore.

 

Figured I'd ask first because last time I tried modding something, the game would freeze on startup like half the time.

[RopeDrink]

FRAPS is in that awkward place where it 'would' be hailed as the best recording software ever if it wasn't such a CPU gobbling beast. First things you should do is check to make sure that FRAPS isn't installed on your main Windows Drive. If it is, that is a big problem. If you have external drives, you'd do well to have FRAPS installed away from the Windows drive as well as locations containing your games. Example, I have drives and partitions dedicated solely to recordings, with others solely dedicated to programs & games (helps with compression software) and one dedicated purely to Windows.

 

Your next step is to make sure the recording folder you've selected is also away from windows and/or busy drives. If you have an external you're not using, tell FRAPS to record to that drive. Recording is an ungodly lot of CPU work (esp uncompressed) with megagigabyte filesizes being written all over the place.

 

Assuming you do this (or had it done already), then you do the fine tweaking. If the comp has more frames to play with, that 'can' make recording go smoother (example, turning off vertical sync so you get 100-200 FPS rather than the fixed 60) but a high speed comp with allocated space above shouldn't need this for anything other than the most GFX intense games. I have VS on in ME3MP (not GFX intensive) and no frames get lost during recordings - but I do get dropped frames with VS in othergames when the screen is wall to wall bodyparts and effects being thrown all over the world.

 

If you're recording for self enjoyment as opposed to uploading, you can 'half-screen' size for a whopping boost - but obviously, even at 1920x1080 / 2, it won't look great on YouTube and looks even worse if you re-increase it later. Toggle "LOCK FRAMERATE WHILE RECORDING" inbetween tests to see if you notice any differences - I'm not entirely sure which one is the better one for performance but I'd assume leaving it off would help. Also, someone mentioned that turning off the FPS Overlay (The yellow/red FPS counter FRAPS puts on during games) gives a boost - but I never do this as then I'd have no indication as to whether I'm recording or not (RED = Recording, Yellow = Not, White = Screenshot being taken etc) - take that away and I'm blind.

 

Last but not least, if you're close to getting it functional - you can always reduce the in-game GFX settings themselves. Of course, nobody wants to do this - so you have to ask yourself... Is Ultra GFX settings at 30FPS better than Medium settings at 60FPS?

If none of this helps, be sure to google for guides. Everyone and their mother has their own FRAPS experiences & tips to share.

[TheN7Penguin]

I don't get an FPS drop when using Fraps and I'm fairly sure my FPS anyway isn't anywhere near 60 on my laptop. I think I get about 30-ish and no FPS drop at all when using Fraps.

 

 

I did get an FPS drop when using LoiLo and SmartPixel so I wouldn't recommend them

 

Er I generally do use Fraps but I also have Bandicam installed and got no problems there. It also runs for 10 mins on the free version unlike the free version of Fraps which only records like 30 secs? But tbh the recordings are worse quality on Bandicam I've found.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Other than the missile launcher on the back, it looked great to me.

[7twozero]

Looks great but personally I always used msi afterburner, my potato couldn't handle fraps.

[Mgamerz]

I use Fraps with a 2TB hard disk and then compress it with Camtasia Studios MP4 codec. Works great. Camtasia is like $200 though but I use it all the time.

[RopeDrink]

worse quality

 

Most of those would work better as they record compressed footage, which means less CPU hogging but not 100% clear recordings vs Uncompressed. If people use things other than FRAPS, then it's worth suggesting them here for those who can't (or don't want to) use FRAPS. Even decent machines can struggle with it, so high quality alternatives (preferably free) are always good to know of.

 

Other than the missile launcher on the back, it looked great to me.

I always forget to take it off. Equip it, HM during weapon swap, right? Or the ladder trick... Never remember...

[TheN7Penguin]

Has anyone tried Action?

 

It has a free trial but idk I've never tried it.

[Salarian Master Race]

Looks like I have Fraps installed to the main C drive, but it records to D.  I'll install it to D and see what happens, thanks

[FasterThanFTL]

Game runs smooth at 62ish FPS, but when I start recording in Fraps, it drops to 35ish, even if I set Fraps to record at 60ish.  Could modding the game to run at 90ish make up the 25ish drop, or does my graphics card just suck?  It's a 550 Ti.  I have two but my power supply also sucks and won't support both of them anymore.

 

Figured I'd ask first because last time I tried modding something, the game would freeze on startup like half the time.

 

Use Shadowplay if you have an Nvidia card or AMD GVR if you have an AMD card for no frame drop recordings. Fraps is an outdated software which has not been updated in 2.5 years.

[7twozero]

Windows 10 has a recording thing built in now, anyone tried that? When I briefly had the 10 upgrade installed, I tried to get it to work, but I think it depends on the xbox app to run properly, and the xbox app kept giving me dumb errors so I could never get it to work.

[Salarian Master Race]

So I installed Fraps to D, and now instead of recording steady at 35 FPS, it fluxs between 35-55 up and down.

 

I will try Shadowplay

[LemurFromTheId]

First things you should do is check to make sure that FRAPS isn't installed on your main Windows Drive. If it is, that is a big problem. If you have external drives, you'd do well to have FRAPS installed away from the Windows drive as well as locations containing your games.

 

How and why would that matter? Programs are loaded into RAM before they're run, what does it matter where they're stored?

[TheN7Penguin]

I just have Fraps in C and as I said I have no issues even with a... moderately terrible laptop.

[RopeDrink]

Windows 10 has a recording thing built in now

 

Noticed it but didn't use it. As soon as I started installing games on this new comp (win10), the recorder thing was annoyingly face-planted on the screen. That's handy - but I didn't want it there, so disabled it and went back to old faithful. The FPS counter is just as much an eye-sore, but smaller at least. Might give the Win10 recorder a proper try though.

 

How and why would that matter?

 

What I'm getting at is if you intent to take recording seriously - and especially if using FRAPS (huge uncompressed files) then you would do well to have it all on a seperate drive so it, and the files it writes, aren't conflicting with anything else, RAM or space wise. Yes, having your drive fill up due to buckets full of 10-100gig recordings is never fun.

 

it fluxs between 35-55 up and down

 

That's a good sign. If you decide to dig deeper in tweaking it - but want to remain steady 35FPS during recordings in the meantime, you can tell FRAPS to record at 35 - but the fact it freed up more means your comp is struggling less with it on D: drive. Don't forget that if it isn't a big drive, the files you record will gobble up all that space, hence having a 100% free drive entirely for recordings is always best.

[LemurFromTheId]

What I'm getting at is if you intent to take recording seriously - and especially if using FRAPS (huge uncompressed files) then you would do well to have it all on a seperate drive so it, and the files it writes, aren't conflicting with anything else, RAM or space wise. Yes, having your drive fill up due to buckets full of 10-100gig recordings is never fun.

 

?

 

Just tell FRAPS to write to the drive you want. Doesn't matter one bit where it's installed.

[RopeDrink]

I just have Fraps in C and as I said I have no issues even with a... moderately terrible laptop.

 

don't get an FPS drop when using Fraps and I'm fairly sure my FPS anyway isn't anywhere near 60 on my laptop

 

You claimed your laptop isn't achieving 60 FPS anyway, so your laptop isn't exactly a good benchmark of whether FRAPS is doing fine or not. It capping you at 30FPS is normal - you can even tell it to do that by default if you please.

 

Installing on the core drive will have noticable effects when trying to record at max frames on GFX intense games, unless the computer is outdated or has smaller memory, in which case it can have a big impact regardless. There is surely exceptions of course.

[RopeDrink]

For people who want to fine tune FRAPS specifically:
https://encodingtalk...tips-afaik.559/

[The NightMan Cometh]

If Windows 10 comes with a built in recording program... do you still need to buy a capture card to record for PS3 & 360?  ..I saw someone said it was already compatible with the xbox one

[Salarian Master Race]

That's a good sign. If you decide to dig deeper in tweaking it - but want to remain steady 35FPS during recordings in the meantime, you can tell FRAPS to record at 35 - but the fact it freed up more means your comp is struggling less with it on D: drive. Don't forget that if it isn't a big drive, the files you record will gobble up all that space, hence having a 100% free drive entirely for recordings is always best.

 

It's around 595 GB (540 free), and mostly used for picture/video/misc storage, since I don't want to be doing excessive writing to the SSD.

 

I don't mind where the FPS decides to sit, as long as it doesn't impact gameplay too much.  The fluxuation between 35-55 was actually worse to play on than the steady 35, though I will try a few other tweaks and see what happens.