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[wtfman99]

You know, in a way you actually have a point (despite the obnoxious, arrogant manner in which you said it).  Bioware only understands one thing and that's the bottom line.   So if we really want Bioware to change, we have to stop buying their games and stop supporting their shady DLC practices). 

 

But seeing as how pigs will literally grow wings from their backside and start flying before that happens, I think I'll continue criticizing them on here until they start listening to reason.

 

DLC was great

 

But you can continue whining about it on here. It won't change a thing.

[prosthetic soul]

DLC was great IMO

 

But you can continue criticizing them on here.  It may not change anything, but it's your prerogative and right as a consumer. 

Fixed. That. For you. 

[AresKeith]

Bolded part is typical BDF rubbish that I won't even legitimize by replying to.  But you know, in a way you actually have a point with the rest (despite the obnoxious, arrogant manner in which you said it).  Bioware only understands one thing and that's the bottom line.   So if we really want Bioware to change, we have to stop buying their games and stop supporting their shady DLC practices). 

 

But seeing as how pigs will literally grow wings from their backside and start flying before that happens, I think I'll continue criticizing them on here until they start listening to reason.

 

If your so deadset on doing that, try being more constructive than antagonistic to Bioware

[Bryan Johnson]

I am sorry you are generally unsatisfied (Chronid).

 

I think it can be said in this thread there was those that did enjoy Descent and Hakkon. If they did not satisfy the type of experience that you were looking for, then so be it. There is never going to be something that everyone is going to universally like.

 

You are fine to criticize if you so desire, just as people are allowed to retort back at you. 

 

As for comments, about our participation. Just because we dont post doesnt mean we are not reading. The very nature of this post will change the tone of this thread, based on my experience.

[Kroitz]

There is a BioWare Defence Force?

[AresKeith]

There is a BioWare Defence Force?

 

We have badges and caps too

[prosthetic soul]

I am sorry you are generally unsatisfied (Chronid).

 

I think it can be said in this thread there was those that did enjoy Descent and Hakkon. If they did not satisfy the type of experience that you were looking for, then so be it. There is never going to be something that everyone is going to universally like.

 

You are fine to criticize if you so desire, just as people are allowed to retort back at you. 

 

As for comments, about our participation. Just because we dont post doesnt mean we are not reading. The very nature of this post will change the tone of this thread, based on my experience.

Oh?  And here I thought Bioware Forums was a place that fostered inclusiveness?  And didn't allow people to hate on each other and call someone else an "ass" for simply offering critique?  Or....is that only when it's lodged against Bioware themselves? 

[Cheviot]

There is a BioWare Defence Force?

I guess there must be, if there's a BioWare Whine Club.  Opposing forces and all that.

[wtfman99]

Fixed. That. For you. 

 

The reality is you're whining about JoH saying it was mediocre (WHY!?), you didn't buy Descent (so you can't criticize) and you offer no suggestion to make the games better. That is what is wrong with a lot of the people - they offer all these complaints and they bring no solution forth to fix it, but even if you did, it is again pointless. Bioware is doing great with the games, i'm sure they will take feedback here and there from people but overall, it isn't broken. The solution I have to people who complain about games they are playing they do not like is to simply stop playing them. This solves the problem on your end of being unsatisfied, and it saves the publisher and other posters from reading baseless negative comments from entitled people who complain about how they don't like things but can't justify why.

[Bryan Johnson]

Oh?  And here I thought Bioware Forums was a place that fostered inclusiveness?  And didn't allow people to hate on each other and call someone else an "ass" for simply offering critique?  Or....is that only when it's lodged against Bioware themselves? 

You seem to be rather standoffish, was there something in my post that gave you the impression that I was being so, that warranted such a response?

[AresKeith]

Here's my constructiveness for your post.  Stop acting like a petulant child in regards to my post.  Deal with the fact that there are many forms of critique.  And that I am not butthurt for voicing my dissent. 

 

Example #1 on why your criticism would fall of deaf ears 

[prosthetic soul]

You seem to be rather standoffish? Was there something in my post that gave you the impression that I was being so, that warranted such a response?

I am stand offish because people have egregiously disregarded the Forum Rules in this very thread and your first response was very apathetic in nature to their "retorts." 

 

Do not troll or make personal attacks
Trolling and attacking others, in any form, is not allowed. Trolling is posting with the intent to provoke an emotional response from another user. 
Examples include:

• Non-constructive feedback or comments.
• Personal attacks: Do not insult, degrade or criticize any person or group of people. Personal attacks are hurtful and destroy useful discussion. Examples of personal attacks include calling someone stupid, saying "you suck," "I wish you would die," or "you should be fired."

This is verbatim from the site rules. 

 

I offer valid criticism in my thread.  People are welcome to disagree with it.  That's not the problem here. I have Liked posts in the past that disagree with my opinion but offer lengthy and/or well formed arguments that just address the topic and not my person.  But people are legitimately insulting me and making petulant attacks and your first post in the thread is basically "Deal with it." I appreciate you coming here and stating you are reading and listening to feedback.  That part was awesome.  I also have no problem with the first part of your post.  But again, like with Bioware overall, you're taking two steps back with every one step forward. 

[wtfman99]

I am stand offish because people have egregiously disregarded the Forum Rules in this very thread and your first response was very apathetic in nature to their "retorts." 

 

Do not troll or make personal attacks
Trolling and attacking others, in any form, is not allowed. Trolling is posting with the intent to provoke an emotional response from another user. 
Examples include:

• Non-constructive feedback or comments.
• Personal attacks: Do not insult, degrade or criticize any person or group of people. Personal attacks are hurtful and destroy useful discussion. Examples of personal attacks include calling someone stupid, saying "you suck," "I wish you would die," or "you should be fired."

This is verbatim from the site rules. 

 

I offer valid criticism in my thread.  People are welcome to disagree with it.  That's not the problem here. I have Liked posts in the past that disagree with my opinion but offer lengthy and well formed arguments that just address the topic and not my person.  But people are legitimately insulting me and making petulant attacks and your first post in the thread is basically "Deal with it." I appreciate you coming here and stating you are reading and listening to feedback.  But again, like with Bioware overall, you're taking two steps back with every one step forward. 

 

Not trolling

[AresKeith]

Your criticism in this thread is that Bioware took a year to make a story DLC which is false, both JoH and the Descent are story DLCs were they heavy on the story? No but that doesn't take away the fact that it is still a story DLC, it just wasn't the way you wanted it to be 

[Bryan Johnson]

I am stand offish because people have egregiously disregarded the Forum Rules in this very thread and your first response was very apathetic in nature to their "retorts." 

 

Do not troll or make personal attacks
Trolling and attacking others, in any form, is not allowed. Trolling is posting with the intent to provoke an emotional response from another user. 
Examples include:

• Non-constructive feedback or comments.
• Personal attacks: Do not insult, degrade or criticize any person or group of people. Personal attacks are hurtful and destroy useful discussion. Examples of personal attacks include calling someone stupid, saying "you suck," "I wish you would die," or "you should be fired."

This is verbatim from the site rules. 

 

I offer valid criticism in my thread.  People are welcome to disagree with it.  That's not the problem here. I have Liked posts in the past that disagree with my opinion but offer lengthy and well formed arguments that just address the topic and not my person.  But people are legitimately insulting me and making petulant attacks and your first post in the thread is basically "Deal with it." I appreciate you coming here and stating you are reading and listening to feedback.  But again, like with Bioware overall, you're taking two steps back with every one step forward. 

I am not a moderator. If you feel that people are not observing the forum rules, there is a report button. 

 

My response was simply to say if you didn't like Hakkon and Descent, then I am sorry you feel that way, but those were made with goals in mind and if they didnt match your expectations, then I apologize. It was not 'deal with it'. Then, from my perspective, because you are frustrated with other people in this thread you wish to take it out on me.

[Iakus]

I am stand offish because people have egregiously disregarded the Forum Rules in this very thread and your first response was very apathetic in nature to their "retorts." 

 

Do not troll or make personal attacks
Trolling and attacking others, in any form, is not allowed. Trolling is posting with the intent to provoke an emotional response from another user. 
Examples include:

• Non-constructive feedback or comments.
• Personal attacks: Do not insult, degrade or criticize any person or group of people. Personal attacks are hurtful and destroy useful discussion. Examples of personal attacks include calling someone stupid, saying "you suck," "I wish you would die," or "you should be fired."

This is verbatim from the site rules. 

 

I offer valid criticism in my thread.  People are welcome to disagree with it.  That's not the problem here. I have Liked posts in the past that disagree with my opinion but offer lengthy and/or well formed arguments that just address the topic and not my person.  But people are legitimately insulting me and making petulant attacks and your first post in the thread is basically "Deal with it." I appreciate you coming here and stating you are reading and listening to feedback.  That part was awesome.  I also have no problem with the first part of your post.  But again, like with Bioware overall, you're taking two steps back with every one step forward. 

I'd say just do what I do:  Report posts that are personal attacks or trolling (every once in a while it actually does something)

 

And put repeat offenders on "ignore" I can tell you form personal experience it does wonders.  Some people just aren't worth the brain cells

[prosthetic soul]

Your criticism in this thread is that Bioware took a year to make a story DLC which is false, both JoH and the Descent are story DLCs were they heavy on the story? No but that doesn't take away the fact that it is still a story DLC, it just wasn't the way you wanted it to be 

Okay, then just say that next time.  State that.  Or maybe, state that long with your reasoning for why you believe that.  Notice how that doesn't foster the cluster**** that we're in now?

 

Option A: Technically, it's the story DLC, it may just be lighter on the story than you would prefer.  (goes into detail how it does contain story)

 

Option B: You're a whiny butthurt idiot.  Stop clogging these forums with your criticism.  The DLC WAS FINE. 

 

Can you guess which option would have prevented the situation we're in now? 

[Kroitz]

Spoiler

[Cheviot]

Okay, then just say that next time.  State that.  Or maybe, state that long with your reasoning for why you believe that.  Notice how that doesn't foster the cluster**** that we're in now?

 

Option A: Technically, it's the story DLC, it may just be lighter on the story than you would prefer.  (goes into detail how it does contain story)

 

Option B: You're a whiny butthurt idiot.  Stop clogging these forums with your criticism.  The DLC WAS FINE. 

 

Can you guess which option would have prevented the situation we're in now? 

Are you talking about Option A, i.e. the first reply of the thread?

[prosthetic soul]

I am not a moderator. If you feel that people are not observing the forum rules, there is a report button. 

 

My response was simply to say if you didn't like Hakkon and Descent, then I am sorry you feel that way, but those were made with goals in mind and if they didnt match your expectations, then I apologize. It was not 'deal with it'. Then, from my perspective, because you are frustrated with other people in this thread you wish to take it out on me.

Oh.  My mistake.  I guess I assumed Bioware employees could do all the things moderators did anyway. 

 

No.  That was not my intention.  I legitimately thought you had the power to delete and/or moderate posts.  I apologize. 

[prosthetic soul]

Are you talking about Option A, i.e. the first reply of the thread?

Yes.  Notice how everything was fine up until....about the second or third page. 

[Bryan Johnson]

Oh.  My mistake.  I guess I assumed Bioware employees could do all the things moderators did anyway. 

 

No.  That was not my intention.  I legitimately thought you had the power to delete and/or moderate posts.  I apologize. 

You are correct that they do, and that I can. 

 

But I choose not to use that ability, the short reason for it is. 1) I do not moderate enough to have a guideline for what is 'normal'. 2) I do not want people to feel I wield a power on the forums that they do not. 3) When people are moderating they a lot of the time call it censorship, I choose to operating in such a way people will not accuse me of such things. 

[prosthetic soul]

You are correct that they do, and that I can. 

 

But I choose not to use that ability, the short reason for it is. 1) I do not moderate enough to have a guideline for what is 'normal'. 2) I do not want people to feel I wield a power on the forums that they do not. 3) When people are moderating they a lot of the time call it censorship, I choose to operating in such a way people will not accuse me of such things. 

Well, that's fair. That is a very wise approach to have in regards to moderating. Thank you for letting me know. 

[thats1evildude]

There is a BioWare Defence Force?

 

We assemble when the conch is blown and form a giant Social Justice Robot Warrior.

[Cheviot]

Yes.  Notice how everything was fine up until....about the second or third page. 

I didn't notice any particular change in the thread that it's prudent to note, except one: you never engage with the first reply, which is the kind of post that you were apprently looking for.