I didn't notice any particular change in the thread that it's useful to note, except one: you never engauge with the first reply, which is the kind of post that you were apprently looking for.
True. But there wasn't much to reply to. That, and I felt both things had been said there that needed to be said. She made her point. And I didn't feel the need to defend myself because it was a fair argument (even though I still don't agree with it).
True. But there wasn't much to reply to. That, and I felt both things had been said there that needed to be said. She made her point. And I didn't feel the need to defend myself because it was a fair argument (even though I still don't agree with it).
So you were looking for a reply that you didn't want to reply to?
Yes. Notice how everything was fine up until....about the second or third page.
Dude. The very first response was ageist you and it's been like that since.
Again this line is used. Translation: cRPG's - no imagination required. May wish to re-think that approach.
Personally enjoyed the exploration and combat in Descent, as well as including more lore of the Dwarven culture into the mix of other religions. Both of the NPC's were engaging, as well as including a mechanics to increase gold and boost crafting overall.
Do not mind the open ended questions that remain about something like a Titan; not like a caretaker should have been down there to explain all the details. And if such an hard defined answer had been given in a DLC, would also receive complaints concerning over simplification.
No, I don't need to rethink that approach at all, I use the line again because it's just as true this time as it was the last. Again, it's a video game. Imagination should go into the creation of it, not in the playing of it. There are ways to give us answers that don't involve a caretaker. And I seriously doubt getting answers would receive nearly as many complaints as not getting those answers. We bought the DLC and played it to get those answers.
It's a game. It's meant to be played. The enjoyment is playing the game. Games have element in it other then story. And it's not the same as telling vs showing. In a visual medium just putting thing down and going...\
Is not going to work. No way is a book going describe the scoop of a Titan. Added, the joys of playing the game is playing the game.
It's an RPG, people play RPG's as much for the story as they do for the actual gameplay. And the story of the Descent failed to deliver.
I'm not upset or bothered by this in a significant way, but ME 3 and DA:I both caused me some pretty major story confusion because I hadn't played the DLC for the previous games. If this is another "DA 4 isn't going to make sense without it" DLC, I won't be buying DA 4.
Not there was any guarantee that I'd be buying it, regardless, but I've lost interest in paying for games, only to be required to buy DLC in order for the overall story of future games to make sense.
Yeah, that was a pretty crappy thing for them to do, I remember that. I got that last DLC for ME2 and I enjoyed it, but I have no doubt that there were a lot of people that didn't, and that when ME3 came along they were wondering what the heck was going on there in the beginning.
Again, it's a video game. Imagination should go into the creation of it, not in the playing of it.
I'm generally stearing clear of most of the arguements in this thread, but this I have to disagree with. Imagination by the player should be at the core of what the game aspires to achieve. A good game inspires the imagination, not dulls it.
And yet, couldn't the same criticisms be thrown at several major plot points from the main game itself?
After all, we don't know if the Maker exists, how Corypheus managed to assemble the Venatori in secret, how he allied with Nightmare, what happened in Redcliffe if you sided with the Templars, what the Elven Gods actually were if not "Gods", how Mythal was murdered in antiquity or what betrayal she suffered that she and Flemeth are so eager to avenge, or the true answer of what exactly was the figure masquerading as the Divine in the Fade?
There was a lot of vagueness in the main game, some of it I'll grant should have been explained better (Redcliffe, the Venatori's formation and Nightmare), but the others are minor enough that not having an answer doesn't really detract from anything.
Dragon Age has never gone for giving us all the answers right away, they've purposefully left certain things a mystery or revealing new information that flips what we thought we knew completely on it's head.
We spent three games believing that the Elves were innocent victims in the downfall of Elvhenan and the Dales, rather than having had instigated some of their own misfortune due to their society being just as bad as Tevinter and Orlais. It also took us three games to know just what Flemeth actually was, while the true origins of both the Blight and the origins of the Darkspawn have still yet to be revealed, as the most we've gleaned is that the Golden City was apparently already corrupted when Corypheus' posse entered it.
Jaws of Hakkon and the Descent did a good job of giving answers to a lot of the questions it raised, while leaving enough open for us to speculate and for Bioware to build upon in the future.
I don't mind them leaving things open in the main game for future games with some of the examples that you gave. But when I pay 15 dollars for a DLC, I expect to be satisfied with the story of said DLC, not reaching the end of it without really understanding why I was down there in the first place. So I cannot agree with you that Descent did a good job of giving answers to anything.
Example #1 on why your criticism would fall of deaf ears
It's true that he was somewhat antagonistic in some of his posts, but a lot of the people in this threat had been even more so to him, openly tossing insults in his direction like petty children in a schoolyard.
We have badges and caps too
I'm generally stearing clear of most of the arguements in this thread, but this I have to disagree with. Imagination by the player should be at the core of what the game aspires to achieve. A good game inspires the imagination, not dulls it.
I agree, a good game inspires the imagination. But a good game also does not require imagination to understand what is going on in the game, and a good game doesn't throw out a few vague lines at the end of a DLC and expect us to use our imaginations to figure it out.
I don't mind them leaving things open in the main game for future games with some of the examples that you gave. But when I pay 15 dollars for a DLC, I expect to be satisfied with the story of said DLC, not reaching the end of it without really understanding why I was down there in the first place. So I cannot agree with you that Descent did a good job of giving answers to anything.
Maybe the problem wasn't the DLC, but the fact you weren't paying attention? The descent didn't explain exactly what a titan was, but it was fairly clear on what was going on by the end of it. The breach caused by Corypheus got the titan agitated/woke it up, causing earthquakes which were putting Orzammar's mining operations in jeopardy, killing the the guardian/boss at the end calmed it back down and stopped the quakes.
Something like their previous games how?
More cutscenes, zoomed in conversations, choices, more companion conversations and party banters, a greater focus on story and characters vs exploration and combat, things like that.
Though I hadn't seen the stuff for the new DLC when I read this thread, I thought the OP was talking about Descent. The new one does seem to be more like the DA2/ME2 DLC (which I like).
No, it took them a year to release a story dlc you want. Not the same thing.
Is 76 likes a record for this board? I haven't seen better.
Off topic but 438 is the record, on the bottom of the main page you can see most popular content, this one isnt even halfway to cracking the top 10
I once got almost that many from simply saying "DA2 wasn't a bad game" to a hater. Simple but true statements seem to get a lot of agreementIs 76 likes a record for this board? I haven't seen better.
Mass Effect 3 with Leviathan, Omega, and Citadel.
Well maybe not phenomenal but those three seem to meet the "story-based" criteria.
Interesting definition of fine.Yes. Notice how everything was fine up until....about the second or third page.
Off topic but 438 is the record, on the bottom of the main page you can see most popular content, this one isnt even halfway to cracking the top 10
Is 76 likes a record for this board? I haven't seen better.
Off topic but 438 is the record, on the bottom of the main page you can see most popular content, this one isnt even halfway to cracking the top 10
I'm generally stearing clear of most of the arguements in this thread, but this I have to disagree with. Imagination by the player should be at the core of what the game aspires to achieve. A good game inspires the imagination, not dulls it.
I ran out of likes! Games that dull your imagination tend to be rather dull =)
I'm still waiting for mine
Me too! Probably will have to fix that myself.
I'm just angry for Bioware in continuing main story in content that is gated away from people. Trespasser is end of DAI or so I have heard all over. And I can't buy ending for my game. Just great job Bioware.
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