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[Panda]

And why would next game start off with something the DLC did? Even Inquisition didn't do that

 

 

It's not like people can't buy it at any time

 

Yes they can't?

[AresKeith]

Yes they can't?

 

Unless people choose not to buy the DLC at all (or they don't have next-gen or gaming PC I guess), they can buy it at anytime

[Panda]

Unless people choose not to buy the DLC at all (or they don't have next-gen or gaming PC I guess), they can buy it at anytime

 

So I go to PS3's PS store and I can buy The Descent and Trespasser there?

[AresKeith]

So I go to PS3's PS store and I can buy The Descent and Trespasser there?

 

Unless people choose not to buy the DLC at all (or they don't have next-gen or gaming PC I guess), they can buy it at anytime

 

So I guess you chose to ignore the bolded part

[Panda]

So I guess you chose to ignore the bolded part

 

Didn't saw that, did you change it or am I blind. But I don't think that changes my point at all. People can't buy nor play the DLC that has main story content.

 

And devs pretty much lied to old gen players that DLC's are just extra and won't have main story content- that DAI had end of game and now end of game comes from DLC they are gated from.. Nice how damage control for BW has always been lying and hiding information.

[AresKeith]

Didn't saw that, did you change it or am I blind. But I don't think that changes my point at all. People can't buy nor play the DLC that has main story content.

 

And devs pretty much lied to old gen players that DLC's are just extra and won't have main story content- that DAI had end of game and now end of game comes from DLC they are gated from.. Nice how damage control for BW has always been lying and hiding information.

 

Even if the DLC expands on the story, it is just extra and I don't remember Bioware every saying that

[Panda]

Even if the DLC expands on the story, it is just extra and I don't remember Bioware every saying that

 

It's arguably. Is extended ending of ME3 something extra or mandatory to have? According the controversy BIoware got over ME3 it's pretty much mandatory and it's ending of the game. Trespasser DLC is ending of the game and has very important content DA universe-wise, that people can't play because of Bioware.

[pdusen]

Oh good, this is all about old-gen players now.

[AresKeith]

It's arguably. Is extended ending of ME3 something extra or mandatory to have? According the controversy BIoware got over ME3 it's pretty much mandatory and it's ending of the game. Trespasser DLC is ending of the game and has very important content DA universe-wise, that people can't play because of Bioware.

 

Riiiigghht let's put all of that on Bioware 

 

And let's not make this thread all about old-gen pls

[Panda]

Riiiigghht let's put all of that on Bioware 

 

And let's not make this thread all about old-gen pls

 

Of course it's on Bioware. Who else is responsible of their game and who they are doing DLC's for? They need to take some responsibility though knowing them I doubt they will.

 

I'm answering here to you though. Convo would have been lot shorter if you wouldn't have started saying how all players can play the game even if you know they can't?

 

Here is direct quote: "It's not like people can't buy it at any time". This was your answer when I said all people don't have chance to play the game.

 

I just corrected you on that, since it simply isn't truth and now you are blaming me of making this all about old gen? I have been just answering to you and correcting you.

[Wolven_Soul]

And why would next game start off with something the DLC did? Even Inquisition didn't do that

 

 

It's not like people can't buy it at any time

 

No, but I believe this was referencing Mass Effect 3.

[PhoenixAeon]

I think someone forgot to check out the last 2 DLC's.

 

Jaws of Hakkon was a story DLC. The overall arc is about finding out about the Last Inquisitor, as well as dealing with the Jaws of Hakkon. And, if you played it, you'll know the 2 were intertwined.

 

The Descent, was a story DLC. The overall arc is about finding the cause of the Earthquakes threatening Thedas. We venture through the Deep Roads, and if you play it, you discover the cause of the Earthquakes, a faction of Dwarves the likes we haven't seen before, and more importantly, we meet the Nug King. 

 

Trespasser, WILL be a STORY DLC. The overall arc is dealing with the Chantry's claim that the Inquisition has grown too powerful, and are trying their best to control you/disband the Inquisition, as well as a Qunari invasion of sorts.

 

3 DLC's. 3 Stories. 

 

I look forward to your thread complaining about Trespasser having to be purchased before playing. I could use the entertainment value of your useless complaints while I drink my morning tea

 

Well said good sir.   Best part in the Trespasser DLC will move the main story forward

[PillarBiter]

Well said good sir.   Best part in the Trespasser DLC will move the main story forward

 

I'm quite confounded about claims that JoH wasn't good story-wise. I really loved it... Descent was meh. But the first inquisitor was really cool to meet!

[Jester]

Oh good, this is all about old-gen players now.

All three of them.

[AlanC9]

Continuing the main story is fine.  That's great.  But when the DLC is required for full understanding of why the next game starts the way that it does, you start to get into some really iffy ground there.

I don't see this as a problem for DA, since we switch PCs every game. It sort of was a problem for ME, where the opening makes a bit more sense if that Shepard went through Arrival.

[Wolven_Soul]

I'm quite confounded about claims that JoH wasn't good story-wise. I really loved it... Descent was meh. But the first inquisitor was really cool to meet!

 

Meeting Ameridan was pretty cool, but other than that, there was not much that was strong about JoH, story wise, in my opinion.  

[Wolven_Soul]

I don't see this as a problem for DA, since we switch PCs every game. It sort of was a problem for ME, where the opening makes a bit more sense if that Shepard went through Arrival.

 

Your probably right.  I don't see playing Trespasser as being necessary for understanding DA:4.

[introverted_assassin]

Of course it's on Bioware. Who else is responsible of their game and who they are doing DLC's for? They need to take some responsibility though knowing them I doubt they will.

I'm answering here to you though. Convo would have been lot shorter if you wouldn't have started saying how all players can play the game even if you know they can't?

Here is direct quote: "It's not like people can't buy it at any time". This was your answer when I said all people don't have chance to play the game.

I just corrected you on that, since it simply isn't truth and now you are blaming me of making this all about old gen? I have been just answering to you and correcting you.

I'm only quoting you because I applaud your efforts, to this day, to mention us old gen folk. I stopped trying when I realized that no one was interested in what we had to say anymore. Like for real...they don't care. Even though they got a taste of what we experienced when that Off Topic section got dropped with like a 2 hour(or maybe shorter) warning and I had no sympathy. That's none of my business though. * sips tea*

As for the OP, I actually agree with you. I'm surprised too. And I also agree that, again, I always observe the same s/n's caping for this company when any hint of "smol" criticism emerges. This didn't even seem like criticism...just a legit observation and y'all in here in full force ready to surround and protect the company. That's what you look like to me. It's also one of the reasons why myself and folk like me just don't come around here anymore...or barely. There is never any room for dissent...just genuine "i want you to do better because I KNOW you can" type of conversation before y'all dogpile and try shutting that person down. It is disgusting to observe. And some of you do get away with violating the ToS or forum rules or whatever. A lot. That's all I got though. But OP I get it.

[pdusen]

As for the OP, I actually agree with you. I'm surprised too. And I also agree that, again, I always observe the same s/n's caping for this company when any hint of "smol" criticism emerges. This didn't even seem like criticism...just a legit observation and y'all in here in full force ready to surround and protect the company. That's what you look like to me. It's also one of the reasons why myself and folk like me just don't come around here anymore...or barely. There is never any room for dissent...just genuine "i want you to do better because I KNOW you can" type of conversation before y'all dogpile and try shutting that person down. It is disgusting to observe. And some of you do get away with violating the ToS or forum rules or whatever. A lot. That's all I got though. But OP I get it.

 

Personally, what I find disgusting is people with a chip on their shoulder coming here to call game developers lazy and greedy and treating them like they're not people, just because they didn't make exactly the game that they wanted. And then, when people call them out on it, turning around and crying about how mean everyone is to them.

 

See? I can generalize, too.

[AlanC9]

And I also agree that, again, I always observe the same s/n's caping for this company when any hint of "smol" criticism emerges. This didn't even seem like criticism...just a legit observation and y'all in here in full force ready to surround and protect the company.

Part of that is probably people remembering earlier posts by Chronoid. You can burn a lot of goodwill here with ranting. Part of it was Chronoid using silly rhetorical overstatement -- that can work if people fundamentally agree with your point, but it backfires when they don't.

[DuskWanderer]

DLC always has that problem of feeling like it's added on, because it is precisely that: Added on. It can't be a requirement for the game because that would make the fanbase (quite rightfully) angry as hell. 

 

Jaws of Hakkon and The Descent both had story. The story itself had only slight relevance to the main plot, but I can't expect anything more. If it was going to be something important, I'd be angry that I was forced to buy something else. 

 

I loved The Descent and it's story (it had some problems, but none of them were story-related), and Jaws of Hakkon was okay (less fetch quests, but still felt too unstructured). I think I will like Trepasser because of what it promises. Yes, BioWARE deserves flak for not incorporating the well-written characters into The Descent (it would have really helped the 'too much undiluted Valta' complaint I had), but that doesn't mean it can't be good despite a flaw. 

[leaguer of one]

Meeting Ameridan was pretty cool, but other than that, there was not much that was strong about JoH, story wise, in my opinion.  

Not knowing what happen with the inquisition of old, what a dragon god is, the shrine to a living old god,abomination not as big an issue as we think, nor the issue of elven/human relations is an interesting issue?

[leaguer of one]

Continuing the main story is fine.  That's great.  But when the DLC is required for full understanding of why the next game starts the way that it does, you start to get into some really iffy ground there.

Wait...what? That's not true at all. An one of the game is a starting point to the story. Every game you're playing a new character. You don't need to know what happen to the last one. All it does is effect you're world state not what you're character know or what you know about the story.

[introverted_assassin]

Personally, what I find disgusting is people with a chip on their shoulder coming here to call game developers lazy and greedy and treating them like they're not people, just because they didn't make exactly the game that they wanted. And then, when people call them out on it, turning around and crying about how mean everyone is to them.

See? I can generalize, too.

I'm not generalizing. I'm talking about the people that i repeatedly and specifically observe conforming to this behavior. And not for nothing, it's not just about this particular post or the OP. This is the climate of this forum right now and I do not know if it as at an all time high or it happens only when I'm observing. I see this a LOT though.

[pdusen]

I'm not generalizing. I'm talking about the people that i repeatedly and specifically observe conforming to this behavior. And not for nothing, it's not just about this particular post or the OP. This is the climate of this forum right now and I do not know if it as at an all time high or it happens only when I'm observing. I see this a LOT though.

For the most part, what I see is reasonable people (many of whom have their own criticisms of Bioware, including myself) reacting negatively to absurd and melodramatic rants by repeat offenders.