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[J-Bo89]

I don't know if I am imagining this or if this really happened on my initial play through of DA Origins back in 2009, so I'll spit it out. In the Circle Tower, a memory popped into my head that I am thinking was from my first decisions, it seems I remember saving First Enchanter Irving from Uldred in the Tower, and then I used him to perform the ritual to allow ANYONE in my party to travel to the Fade and battle the demon inside Connor at Redcliffe Castle. I am pretty sure that this was the results of my first playthrough, and I have had trouble acquiring this on my retrial. For one, Enchanter Irving died (before I assumed he would live no matter what as this was 1st time he died on me here) and then to top it all off, I make all the wrong decisions and have Jowan sacrifice Irlessa to save Connor which I knew was a terrible decision and was looked very poorly by my companions, in fact RUINED my near perfect relationship I was trying to maintain with Allistair. Funny really, but yes if someone could confirm this for me as the game seems to set up the plot and events to take place I am just fuzzy about the part where Irving assists me in the ritual or if it is merely a figment of my imagination. Thanks!

[Just My Moniker]

Yes, it is very possible.

 

(Except the part where you say "Anyone" from your party can enter the fade. It is still limited to only mage characters IE: The Warden (If a mage), Wynne, Morrigan, Irving, and Jowan)

[BronzTrooper]

It's possible to save Irving, but you have to use the Litany whenever Uldred tries to make a mage into an abomination (either that, or just kill Uldred as quickly as possible).

 

As for getting Irving to do the ritual, you need to decide to ask the Circle for help (assuming that Irving is still alive), then head over there and talk to Irving about it.  You'll only be able to send Morrigan, Wynne, or yourself (if you're playing as a mage) out of your party members, but you can also send Jowan or ask Irving to go.

 

You can do Redcliffe and get to Connor before you go to the Circle since you don't have to worry about things deteriorating in the castle while you're gone.  It isn't time-sensitive, so you could also do a couple side-quests before heading back to Redcliffe after getting Irving to help.

 

Whether Jowan does the ritual or Irving does it, only a mage can do into the Fade and take out the demon.

 

Hope this helps 

[J-Bo89]

Yes Gamer072196, tremendous help!! Thank you, you cleared every remaining question I had up. I have been trying to reply to your post for over an hour but couldn't figure out how to post your quote on my response page and still dunno how so I gave up. But thank you, that helps greatly and know what I need to do. The Litany of Adralla could be the reason why Irving died on me this most recent time, while I had it in my inventory, I don't recall remembering to use it as Uldred is a fierce and hectic battle. I killed Uldred rather quickly, in fact FAR more quicker than I did on my first time, as I remember BARELY managing to stay alive as Leliana the sole survivor of my party and I threw an Acid Flask out of complete desperation with only a SLIVER of my health remaining and somehow it was enough to kill Uldred, that battle lasted much longer and Uldred did way more damage and cast more spells but I did use Litany then and Irving survived so yes I believe you are correct.. Thanks again!

[Tidus]

Irving is easy to save if you use the litany on Uldred-Wynne will let you know when to use it the first time..

 

In my games I notice 90% of the time Leliana ( rogue) kills Uldred since my rogue keeps casting litany..

[J-Bo89]

yeah my 1st time playing, I obviously paid way more attention while in the heat of that battle or was way less distracted cuz on my 2nd trial it was such an intense battle I couldn't even think about using it. I was way under leveled and fairly weak to be facing Uldred and this made the battle a fight for survival start to finish and I never even thought about the damn Litany of Adralla and somehow managed to still get the victory with the desperation Acid Flask I threw. (Bombs are the holy grail on DAO to me) But now that I have re played that scene now, I see he is easy to keep but will 90% almost for sure die if you slip up and forget to use Litany like I did. Thanks everyone

[Tidus]

J-bo89, The first time I entered the fade I was slaughtered on the mage asunder floor and  Uldred battle. I was to weak and poorly equipped.

 

With the above lesson learned I won't enter the fade before I am equipped with either 2 strong daggers or a strong sword and strong dagger and fairly good armor and at least 2 or 3 battle skills...The same applies for my second rogue Leliana-usually 2 battle skills.

 

That may sound like a lot but,I pick up one battle skill when I go to the skills area after designing my character and the second skill comes when I level up in the wilds and the third in the Tower of Ishal.. I usually do these areas solo by placing my comrades on "hold ground". so I can do the fighting and level up my character.

 

I use my character, Leliana and Morrigan on the Lothering chanter's  side quest.

[J-Bo89]

Very interesting and something I have not tried. Going solo with characters to level up. Smart indeed. Yeah The Fade can be a game breaker cuz if you aren't strong enough you are either gonna have to wing a miracle, hope you can load progress prior or start all over since when ur there U R THERE! Tower can get you like that too My 1st mess-up was my lack of attention to my Inventory. I always force myself to fight every single enemy easily found or secret bosses hidden to ensure I get all the weapons, armor & experience but drying up my super needed items. I need I can recall dying like 100 times trying to defeat the Desire Demon who has the EXTREMELY agitating and powerful Templar under her charms followed up by the horde of corpses. Yeah I am a perfectionist and did it over and over until I finally got it and don't recommend this style to anyone as I was extremely under leveled. It can be done but will make you work for it and you gotta keep in mind too while in the Tower and in the Fade, that you need to ration your Health Potions cuz you are gonna need some for Uldred. this was another problem I came across on my first time, I was so worried that if I didn't defeat every single creature encountered before progressing in the Tower that I would lose my chance at killing them and getting whatever possible loot. but you can still fight a lot of enemies after Uldred, but this created major problems for me. I used so many of my potions and resources on the Desire Demon & Sloth Demon battles (among others like Revenant) that by the time I did make it to Uldred my inventory was a joke and I litearlly had to make it my one priority to keep Wynne alive and her mana up so she could at the least Heal my party. Hard tough 1st encounter and it broke me in for the future but was all the same rewarding and epic. But still, it shouldn't be as hard as I made it on myself..

[Vlada47]

That was the reason I had Morrigan whole day before preparing loads of potions from heaps of bought components on my second playthrough... poor girl.   You can also utilize different forms in the Fade, especially Golem is great, to make this part easier. Personally I think Uldred wasn't all that problematic, the Sloth demon and his different shapes were worse. Those brainwashed templars are also pretty nasty for mage Warden... especially if you rely on sustained abilities.

[J-Bo89]

Ironically the almost opposite problem. While I had some early brief trouble with Sloth, I got him much quicker and with far less effort and desperado as Uldred. But only reason is at the time of fighting Sloth I still had fair share of Potions and he contributed to them disappearing but mostly that damn Templar and the Desire Demon!!

[Tidus]

Vlada47, I make short work of the brainwashed Templars and the Desire Demon.. I use the multiple (one with the three figure icon) walking bomb..BOOM! problem solved.

 

I also add strength to my mage so I can wear better armor-that might be overkill but, good insurance for the long trip into the deep roads to find Branka and the  anvil. I also go to the mage shop in Demerim and buy a stronger staff as soon as I can afford it.. 

 

I also take everything I find ( I buy three packs) and what I can't use for upgrading my party I sell for cash and buy better armor and weapons.

 

In short one of the many lessons I have learned playing RPGs since '89  or '90   is not to go to the next area unprepared or you may have your head handed to you on a silver platter.

[Illegitimus]

J-bo89, The first time I entered the fade I was slaughtered on the mage asunder floor and  Uldred battle. I was to weak and poorly equipped.

 

With the above lesson learned I won't enter the fade before I am equipped with either 2 strong daggers or a strong sword and strong dagger and fairly good armor and at least 2 or 3 battle skills...The same applies for my second rogue Leliana-usually 2 battle skills.

 

That may sound like a lot but,I pick up one battle skill when I go to the skills area after designing my character and the second skill comes when I level up in the wilds and the third in the Tower of Ishal.. I usually do these areas solo by placing my comrades on "hold ground". so I can do the fighting and level up my character.

 

I use my character, Leliana and Morrigan on the Lothering chanter's  side quest.

 

I'm pretty sure that all experience points are applied to every companion regardless of what they actually do.  (In fact I know I've gotten level ups from locks Leliana picked.)

[Tidus]

Illegitimus, You are correct ,the experience points is shared and Alistair will level up but,not as fast as if he was in the fight. In fact before I started  fighting solo  in the areas I mention Alistair was leveling up faster then my character.

 

Now like I mention I gain a level in the those areas instead of Alistair. Alistair will  level up in the Tower of Ishal  just before the Ogre fight..

[Vlada47]

 

In short one of the many lessons I have learned playing RPGs since '89  or '90   is not to go to the next area unprepared or you may have your head handed to you on a silver platter.

I do the exact opposite, I like the moments of total desperation. 

 

Speaking of which... I remember going really early on into the Deep Roads on my first playthrough. I was really hoping there that the fight with Spider Queen would be the last, then I get to the Anvil and go home... I didn't know I'm just in the half of my progress. 

 

The thing is - when someone tells me it's impossible, or it's completely idiotic, you can bet I will try that eventually.

[J-Bo89]

Yes correct you are I belive now that you mention is, I noticed Allistair was levelin up faster than me and I thought Huh weird? I shrugged it off as a glitch. And regarding the experience and the perks of the solo combat, is each creature you kill also gives the killing blow connector experience right away, but Im sure everuone already was aware of that. 

 

ONE OF my main concerns as far as that  solo combat goes is I would certainly be afraid of facing too many and possibly drying up an area that would hae blessed you with EXP!. I don't know if I will ever try this out other than super early in the game, but I must admit its a good idea and I never thought of trying it.

 

Tidus, I also have to pick up every item I see and if I for some reason have to skip a chest or item, it haunts me like a grim reaper. But I will be back to get it. There are certain difficult points in the game later on where I didn't focus as much attention as I should have, but love the game.

 

I have also been playing RPGs for a long time as well (early 90's 93??) and have always been an item grubber and same thing regarding the enemies. If I leave one alive or Demon gest away from me in tower, then I don't feel safe and thus can't make you feel safe. I just misjudged my inventory and ran out of my damn potions and you pretty much gotta have a few ya know?

 

The companions traveling with you is preferred instead of travelling alone, I like the dialogue and plus it just feels weird to watch it all.

[J-Bo89]

Yes indeed, good points from both of you. The item must have mentality is how I've always been, n I can just about guarantee aside from DLC and that sort of content, I could just about guarantee that there were no items I missed on my time with Dragon Age Origns..

 

And the comment about preparing before you venture off unknowingly into somewhere you have never been is one of the most IMPORTANT things to remember cuz it takes a second to open a door and whatever is on the other side kill you ad your party with ease. That's ok hun, and while I openly invited these invitations and challenge, I also got sick of loading my data and then telling myself I know what I could do and then not improve the right aread. Da Origins briefly warns you to save your game frequently or you might be mad at yourself for stumbling upon a foe superior, also formidable foes make for a fun challenge. I literally had to save just about everyt newsub area the submap. cuz I knew then what to expect. a sense. But I remember several occasions like traveling to a location on the Wolrd map right after I just finished a MAIN plot quest or something I didn't save and had forgotten to save my progress for a good while. Thinking nothing of it or that I was about to face an un-winnable battle with bandits, and tough bandits who decimated me in a matter of seconds. and this occurred more than once. But in a way, I miss that challenge behind every corner idea, I miss the variations of fantastic creature/corrupted animals/and special bosses or anything that relates to that throw it on their own.The unknown f what was to come grealy thrilled me,and this was put to punishing but completely rewarding use in Origins. Bring this apect back to DA!!

[Tidus]

My biggest problem is I usually forget to save before going into different areas and when my happy little band gets their clock cleaned ah, er, well, let's say I may end up repeating a lot of  progress..

 

I did forget to mention those are the only areas I solo in and like I mention I'm getting ready for the fade.

 

As far as  being out numbered that will happen but, as long as you can move  around, have 2 combat skills and equipped with good armor and weapons you should do fine-avoid standing and slugging it out with more then two Darkspawn..

 

As far as the groups chatter I like the discussions between Leliana and Morrigan especially when Morrigan  tells Leliana she does share and she should find her own and again when she tells Leliana "I see you're still some place where you're not wanted (close enough). Leliana doesn't back down.

[Tidus]

Vlada47,In my first play through I had my head handed to me when fighting the carta,in the deep roads and on two of Redcliffe   Chanter's quest.. The broodmother battle took several tries and I finally gave up. I decided to watch the battle on you tube to get some ideas. I started using Shale to battle the broodmother and haven't lost the battle since.

[J-Bo89]

Tidus & Vlada47- The Deep Roads are filled with killer foes and easily stumbled upon if you aren't careful. Those disturbing and terrifying Corrupted Spiders make my skin crawl when they pounce on you and start devouring you... And they easily can become overwhelming quickly. The Darkspawn in Deep Roads are no joke either.  I love how big the area is and I always feel like I may be missing something. The Carta is tough especially if you underestimate them like I foolishly did and got the floor wiped with my party. In Denerim however, the battle with the mage (cannot think of his name) who is enslaving the Alienage Elves, that is a super tough battle. I think I ended up turning back on choosing to fight him and load an earlier save, but on my last play trial I got em and it was def a challenge. Deep Roads is one of my favorite locations though, and it is def filled with ferocious foes. Take plenty of Health Potions with you.

[Vlada47]

Those disturbing and terrifying Corrupted Spiders make my skin crawl when they pounce on you 

Bah, regular spiders do that to me in real life... usually when I'm sleeping, sneaky buggers. 

 

Thankfully on my second playthrough, I was fully prepared to face the Deep Roads and as pretty high level Arcane Warrior, I could just eat the pain. 

[Tidus]

The slave mage is a tough kill unless you like I do..The walking bomb.. That BOOM!  takes out most of his crew. Then a cast of group heal and a mob attack on the slave  mage and its all over.. In my games he dies because I use a elf even as a mage. I've tried using a Shem but,just didn't like it and restarted the game with a Elf..I also use a female Dwarf.

[J-Bo89]

I keep hearing references to this Walking Bomb and am not familiar with it.... Is it a Spell or Bomb??

[Tidus]

Its a spell found on the mages skill tree. Morrigan and Wynne can also use this spell.. You will need to scroll down to find it. IMHO its a must have.

 

If you are interested there is a mage build tutorial  on you tube. I would copy and paste the link but, that doesn't seem to work for me.

[J-Bo89]

Tidus thank you for this info. I have somehow missed this spell and never acquired it probably cuz I tend to be extremely narrowminded and particular with my skill points. I guess Walking Bombs description never appealed to me or was overlooked by other talents. I will make it a point to get this with Morrigan next time I play. There are likely tons of spells and abilities I have overlooked and will try a new strategy and exploit em all!

 

AND much appreciation on the offer for the Tutorial but that is ok, you have given me what I needed. Thanks again for the courteous offer.

Modifié par J-Bo89, 01 septembre 2015 - 12:33 .

[Vlada47]

I keep hearing references to this Walking Bomb and am not familiar with it.... Is it a Spell or Bomb??

There you have it - https://www.youtube....outu.be&t=1m44s 

 

I've used it a few times, it deals some serious AOE damage, but you need one extra enemy (useless in 1-on-1 bossfights) for it and friendly fire from that thing is pretty brutal.