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#101
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Nothing makes me happier.
 

I wish they don't do another game, but in the matters of deserving a rest... they just made the worst game in Bioware history so all they deserve is to work hard to redeem themselves from this major failure. But... since I know they are not able to do anything good because the ones that made DAO great are out of this disgusting company, I hope they rest like you said, except that I want it to last forever.

 

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Nothing makes me happier.
 

I wish they don't do another game, but in the matters of deserving a rest... they just made the worst game in Bioware history so all they deserve is to work hard to redeem themselves from this major failure. But... since I know they are not able to do anything good because the ones that made DAO great are out of this disgusting company, I hope they rest like you said, except that I want it to last forever.

Can you tell me where you work plz? you know so i can come in an scream about your crap job performance in front of all your work m8's an boss, hopefully he/she sacks you because of it an you dont get a job after so are then forced onto the street an a life of begging, i dont wish your spouse or children  if you have any any ill will, but with a attitude like yours tbh im guessing your single an staying that way


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I would definitely agree that Inquisition is the worst written modern BioWare game, and likely their worst written game, period. If they want to achieve even a mediocre story they need to have a much better grasp and/or willingness to implement basic narrative fundamentals.

 

The complete absence of meaningful conflict and resolution is just...amateur. These are not mistakes professionals make.



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I would definitely agree that Inquisition is the worst written modern BioWare game, and likely their worst written game, period. If they want to achieve even a mediocre story they need to have a much better grasp and/or willingness to implement basic narrative fundamentals.

 

The complete absence of meaningful conflict and resolution is just...amateur. These are not mistakes professionals make.

Is that coming from a professional then?


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Can you tell me where you work plz? you know so i can come in an scream about your crap job performance in front of all your work m8's an boss, hopefully he/she sacks you because of it an you dont get a job after so are then forced onto the street an a life of begging, i dont wish your spouse or children  if you have any any ill will, but with a attitude like yours tbh im guessing your single an staying that way

 

 

Wow!!! you are the definition of a sour TROLL.



#106
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Wow!!! you are the definition of a sour TROLL.

Im just from a day if you never liked a game you sighed an put it on the shelf n tried again, none of this crap of disrespecting an totally insulting other human beings work, other humans who have worked there arses of to try an give us the public a few hours entertainment, right you never liked the product but ffs atleast try an show some respect.

 

Sour?? damn right im sour, the internet is the perfect place to look to realize why humanity needs policed an it also the place that shows why if not you should be damn scared


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Is that coming from a professional then?

 

It's coming from someone who sees that this is something that every brainless Call of Duty game, Transformers movie, and Gears of War story has managed to get right. That no matter how stupid the dialogue is and how strongly their characters resemble gorillas, they don't screw this up. And yet for two games in a row now, that's something BioWare hasn't been able to pull off.

 

As much as I despise what happened in ME 3, it's understandable. There wrote themselves in a tough spot, and did manage to have some very powerful and well written character conflicts and smaller arcs. Then Inquisition comes along with promises left and right to 'get back in touch with our fans' and fix what went wrong with DA 2 and ME 3, and it goes entirely in the wrong direction. They had every reasonable opportunity and motivation to get things right compared to previous games, and yet not only failed to get things right, they managed to get close to everything more wrong. Vapid plot. Vapid characters. Vapid protagonist. Promises up and down of epic, epic, epic. The narrative telling me up and down how epic, epic, epic everything is. And what I get is one of the most pointless and contrived stories I've come across.

 

This is unacceptable writing.


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I would definitely agree that Inquisition is the worst written modern BioWare game, and likely their worst written game, period. If they want to achieve even a mediocre story they need to have a much better grasp and/or willingness to implement basic narrative fundamentals.

 

The complete absence of meaningful conflict and resolution is just...amateur. These are not mistakes professionals make.

 

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It's coming from someone who sees that this is something that every brainless Call of Duty game, Transformers movie, and Gears of War story has managed to get right. That no matter how stupid the dialogue is and how strongly their characters resemble gorillas, they don't screw this up. And yet for two games in a row now, that's something BioWare hasn't been able to pull off.
 
As much as I despise what happened in ME 3, it's understandable. There wrote themselves in a tough spot, and did manage to have some very powerful and well written character conflicts and smaller arcs. Then Inquisition comes along with promises left and right to 'get back in touch with our fans' and fix what went wrong with DA 2 and ME 3, and it goes entirely in the wrong direction. They had every reasonable opportunity and motivation to get things right, and yet not only failed to get things right, they managed to get close to everything more wrong. Vapid plot. Vapid characters. Vapid protagonist. Promises up and down of epic, epic, epic. The narrative telling me up and down how epic, epic, epic everything is.
 
This is unacceptable writing.


In your opinion. Don't try to state absolutes.
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Opinions being what they are.... 43395.gif



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Can you tell me where you work plz? you know so i can come in an scream about your crap job performance in front of all your work m8's an boss, hopefully he/she sacks you because of it an you dont get a job after so are then forced onto the street an a life of begging, i dont wish your spouse or children  if you have any any ill will, but with a attitude like yours tbh im guessing your single an staying that way

 

If you paid good money for a product she is selling, and didn't like it, you are entitled to saying what you thought about it. If not...well that is just petty, isn't it?



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Im just from a day if you never liked a game you sighed an put it on the shelf n tried again, none of this crap of disrespecting an totally insulting other human beings work, other humans who have worked there arses of to try an give us the public a few hours entertainment, right you never liked the product but ffs atleast try an show some respect.

 

Sour?? damn right im sour, the internet is the perfect place to look to realize why humanity needs policed an it also the place that shows why if not you should be damn scared

 

They aren't giving you entertainment. They are SELLING you entertainment.



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I reckon it's a horrible idea to read through this thread at a college library.


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If you paid good money for a product she is selling, and didn't like it, you are entitled to saying what you thought about it. If not...well that is just petty, isn't it?

If i took a product back to a shop and gave, verbally, feedback the way nigh everyone here on these forums does, i'd be jailed for breach, yeah everyone entitled to give feedback but cmon do it respectfully


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#115
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If i took a product back to a shop and gave, verbally, feedback the way nigh everyone here on these forums does, i'd be jailed for breach, yeah everyone entitled to give feedback but cmon do it respectfully

 

 

Depends on what was wrong with the product.

 

But, yes. Constructice criticism is always the way to go. IF Bioware are listening to the feedback at all, of course.



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My point is that just because something is the "biggest launch" or "biggest release" or "biggest opening" does not make it a quality product that majority people enjoy. DAI might have been Bioware's best launch, but that does not mean that it is liked by all those who bought it.
 
I for one bought the Inquisitor's Edition on launch day so I contributed to it's "biggest launch" but yet I hate the game cause it has limited cutscenes, filler content, and a dull protagonist. So while the sales numbers were great, the word of mouth and reputation after launch is a whole other monster as well as comparisons to another game that came out months later with even greater sales and review scores but I dare not to mention that game.


But it does equate to successful and profitable. And while some do not believe it is creative success, the awards indicate it was a critical success, too. So hate away; does not mean that this is the majority consensus, and evidence points otherwise.
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#117
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I expect the total life-times sales of DAI to be 5 million, the same as DAO. The Witcher 3 recently hit the 6 million mark after six weeks after it's launch. I don't see the DA franchise continuing honestly, probably they will release a DA4 if I'm being honest but I agree - the franchise will most likely end with DA4. Bioware fumbled their franchise with DA2 and DAI and even if DA4 is like the Witcher 3 in terms of success and being a phenomenal game it won't change the fact that DA is dying.


TW3 is from another company, and is a different game. Hope it gets GOTY, too.

And as much as some wish it were so, such insight into the business of gaming appears to be contradicted somewhat by the support of continued DLC and patching from EA.

If DAI is a fumble, may it continue to bounce this way for a while.
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Nothing makes me happier.
 
I wish they don't do another game, but in the matters of deserving a rest... they just made the worst game in Bioware history so all they deserve is to work hard to redeem themselves from this major failure. But... since I know they are not able to do anything good because the ones that made DAO great are out of this disgusting company, I hope they rest like you said, except that I want it to last forever.


Seems someone watched 'Eyes Wide Shut' recently, and embraced it as philosophy. The evidence and facts do not support this opinion, and goes more to show the bigoted mindset that embraces such so-called happiness.

A ray of sunshine as always....
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I would definitely agree that Inquisition is the worst written modern BioWare game, and likely their worst written game, period. If they want to achieve even a mediocre story they need to have a much better grasp and/or willingness to implement basic narrative fundamentals.
 
The complete absence of meaningful conflict and resolution is just...amateur. These are not mistakes professionals make.


Seems the industry itself disagrees. This opinion does not seem to be supported by the evidence.
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It's coming from someone who sees that this is something that every brainless Call of Duty game, Transformers movie, and Gears of War story has managed to get right. That no matter how stupid the dialogue is and how strongly their characters resemble gorillas, they don't screw this up. And yet for two games in a row now, that's something BioWare hasn't been able to pull off.
 
As much as I despise what happened in ME 3, it's understandable. There wrote themselves in a tough spot, and did manage to have some very powerful and well written character conflicts and smaller arcs. Then Inquisition comes along with promises left and right to 'get back in touch with our fans' and fix what went wrong with DA 2 and ME 3, and it goes entirely in the wrong direction. They had every reasonable opportunity and motivation to get things right compared to previous games, and yet not only failed to get things right, they managed to get close to everything more wrong. Vapid plot. Vapid characters. Vapid protagonist. Promises up and down of epic, epic, epic. The narrative telling me up and down how epic, epic, epic everything is. And what I get is one of the most pointless and contrived stories I've come across.
 
This is unacceptable writing.


But evidently it is critically acclaimed writing. Am fairly certain that any shame felt from such opinions as these are contained somewhat nicely on the shelf with their multiple awards, sales, and peer's reviews.
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#121
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That also doesn't mean that the majority agrees with the vocal minority either. The number of people that are so vocal about their displeasure on these forums is a relatively small group.

And these are only your opinions. There are countless people who are satisfied with the way most of the game plays out, just because you hate it doesn't mean everyone does. Again, vocal minority.

And you judge the word of mouth and reputation by what standard? Care to show some quantifiable and objective data to back that claim?

And honestly, I really wish you would stop throwing TW3 in everyone's faces, people can play and like both games and they aren't even competing against each other for customers.


The same thing you said to me I can just reverse and say to you. It is your opinion that people who hate the game is the minority and people who love it is the majority.

I seem many people in other gaming communities who hate the game as much as I do.

So what makes your opinion more valid than mine?

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The same thing you said to me I can just reverse and say to you. It is your opinion that people who hate the game is the minority and people who love it is the majority.

I seem many people in other gaming communities who hate the game as much as I do.

So what makes your opinion more valid than mine?


Information, evidence, and facts to the contrary. An informed opinion is generally worth more than one that is not....
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But it does equate to successful and profitable. And while some do not believe it is creative success, the awards indicate it was a critical success, too. So hate away; does not mean that this is the majority consensus, and evidence points otherwise.

Awards in 2014? That was a weak year in gaming, so SOMEONE had to win, might as well be DAI. I doubt DAI would have gotten GOTY in 2015 against Fallout 4, Halo 5, and Witcher 3.

Nice try

Oh and ME3 won a bunch of awards and yet it was one of the more criticized ME games.

Post release reputation to me is more convincing evidence than awards given out by the press at the time of launch.

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That also doesn't mean that the majority agrees with the vocal minority either. The number of people that are so vocal about their displeasure on these forums is a relatively small group.

 

Technically, the group voicing their pleasure is just as small, in relative terms. If one is going to point out that the dissenting voices in the BSN community don't represent the majority, it is disingenuous to fail to mention that the positive voices are no less of a minority. BSN's habitual posters represent less than 1% of the purchasing public.

 

And these are only your opinions. 

 

This is applicable to literally every person who posts on BSN, including you and the developers.

 

Evidence that fails to prove anything does not suddenly become proof on the basis of personal opinion.

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Separated points: I have not played TW3 and don't consider it relevant to the discussion. I am not angry or upset with my purchase of DA:I. It is a well-made game with flaws, hardly transformative. People who act like it is the devil's work are over-reacting and silly, but no less so than those who act like any criticism of the game is somehow unfair.


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Technically, the group voicing their pleasure is just as small, in relative terms. If one is going to point out that the dissenting voices in the BSN community don't represent the majority, it is disingenuous to fail to mention that the positive voices are no less of a minority. BSN's habitual posters represents less than 1% of the purchasing public.


This is applicable to literally every person who posts on BSN, including you and the developers.

Evidence that fails to prove anything does not suddenly become proof on the basis of personal opinion.
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Separated points: I have not played TW3 and don't consider it relevant to the discussion, and I am not angry or upset with my purchase of DA:I. It is a well-made game with flaws, hardly transformative or great. People who act like it is the devil's work are over-reacting and silly, but no less so than those who act like any criticism of the game is somehow unfair.


Well said, especially your last sentence.

If someone says DAI is a great game, then that person gets a high five. If a person says DAI is a bad game, then suddenly it is "just their opinion" and not a fact.

Funny....