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Sticking to the original topic.

 

DAI was enormously successful, so it's pretty much a given that the next game will be greenlit. But first they have to brainstorm and prototype and put a whole design document together, and then formally pitch it to the suits at EA. All stuff that takes time, and Bioware Canada currently has two other full games in the works that would be coming out before they could fully turn their attention to it.

 

So no, it's not weird at all that it hasn't been greenlit yet.


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Sticking to the original topic.

DAI was enormously successful, so it's pretty much a given that the next game will be greenlit. But first they have to brainstorm and prototype and put a whole design document together, and then formally pitch it to the suits at EA. All stuff that takes time, and Bioware Canada currently has two other full games in the works that would be coming out before they could fully turn their attention to it.

So no, it's not weird at all that it hasn't been greenlit yet.

I dont mind a DA4, as long as it isnt like DAI.

No more filler quest, dull protagonist, weak antagonist, and limited cutscenes.

I am confident that Bioware will listen to the many criticisms of DAI when drafting DA4.
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I dont mind a DA4, as long as it isnt like DAI.

No more filler quest, dull protagonist, weak antagonist, and limited cutscenes.

I am confident that Bioware will listen to the many criticisms of DAI when drafting DA4.

 

I suspect the feedback they get for Trespasser will be a big factor there.



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I dont mind a DA4, as long as it isnt like DAI.

No more filler quest, dull protagonist, weak antagonist, and limited cutscenes.

I am confident that Bioware will listen to the many criticisms of DAI when drafting DA4.

They always do

Their attempts to correct things tend to be extremely hit or miss though (I say this as someone who enjoyed DAI greatly)
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Awards in 2014? That was a weak year in gaming, so SOMEONE had to win, might as well be DAI. I doubt DAI would have gotten GOTY in 2015 against Fallout 4, Halo 5, and Witcher 3.

Nice try

Oh and ME3 won a bunch of awards and yet it was one of the more criticized ME games.

Post release reputation to me is more convincing evidence than awards given out by the press at the time of launch.


Don't have to try as there are more than 100+ GOTY Awards, plus other awards within the industry and outside of it. Again, while one is entitled to an opinion, it is better to have one supported by evidence.

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I see no reason there would be no DA4. Inquisition was a critical and (per EA) commercial success. But since Bioware has Andromeda and apparently a mystery IP in the works, they might just space out the releases. I very much doubt we will see a DA4 before 2019 or so. Now that the final leg of Trespasser is done, I assume the permanent Dragon Age team that isn't working on the new IP will be doing their proposal and the dev cycle will resume.


EA might also be unwilling to find 4 full time and fully staffed development teams, between Edmonton, Montreal and Austin. We know Montreal was used to make Omega for ME3 and Austin was used to make Descent. So it may be that people are shuffled to the new IP which is further along development and will be shuffled back to other games as that IP is closer to release.

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I'm figuring EA will want to take their total profit & feedback into consideration once the final DLC is released before greenlighting the next game. The overall picture will help them assess budget & development time frames etc.
and the announcement of the next game would completely overshadow the news coverage of the next DLC and compete for coverage with ME:Andromeda which isn't something they will want either, especially since ME is Bioware's most recognisable current series.

I'm certain there will be another DA game; I just don't think it's in their best interests to tell people that at this stage.




I strongly agree lol its WAY to early to be talking about the next DA game lol wtf we have this last dlc coming up for the current Game lets focus on that .I feel that they will get the greenline but yes its unwise to say anything now about it.

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I confess, I have red the whole thread. Now, I am just trying to find the reason why I did that to myself.
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I confess, I have red the whole thread. Now, I am just trying to find the reason why I did that to myself.

prob stoned or bored, maybe even both :D



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Well, yeah, no employee of a massive, publicly traded company like EA is going to disclose the presence of an unannounced project before their corporate overlords give them the ok. I mean, think back to the time before Inquisition was announced and that one survey got leaked. You had various BioWare people shouting it down and neither confirming or denying anything within it, when it ended up pretty much all being true to a letter and it forced BioWare's hand in announcing Inquisition early.

I'll take Darrah at his word in that DA4 hasn't technically been green lit but its not like that means the core DA team is sitting around doing nothing or being broken up and shipped off on to the new IP or Mass Effect or TOR. I'd imagine if they're just real early concepting stuff for a possible DA4, they don't need a huge stable of programmers and people working around the clock on it. They're probably fine with a small group just hashing stuff out to pitch and then ramp up once other resources across BioWare get freed up once Mass Effect and the new IP get closer to release.

Although, it would seem strange to think that the DA team isn't sort of already deep in thought on the next game, considering they've said in the past how something like DA2 was already well underway even before Origins was even launched.

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I hope we do get another game. especially if its set in Tevinter.
We could play as part of the mageocracy, or maybe even get a specialisation option to be a magekiller!

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Food for thought...

If DA wasn't going to continue, why publish material like Magekiller? Why waste resources on something that has no future?
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EA might also be unwilling to find 4 full time and fully staffed development teams, between Edmonton, Montreal and Austin. We know Montreal was used to make Omega for ME3 and Austin was used to make Descent. So it may be that people are shuffled to the new IP which is further along development and will be shuffled back to other games as that IP is closer to release.

You can take Austin out of that list, because the SWTOR team is anything but fully staffed.


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Hah and this discussion is exactly why developers no longer hang out here but are starting to hang out at reddit

Because we like our game and we are not bitches about it like some :)



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I expect the total life-times sales of DAI to be 5 million, the same as DAO. The Witcher 3 recently hit the 6 million mark after six weeks after it's launch. I don't see the DA franchise continuing honestly, probably they will release a DA4 if I'm being honest but I agree - the franchise will most likely end with DA4. Bioware fumbled their franchise with DA2 and DAI and even if DA4 is like the Witcher 3 in terms of success and being a phenomenal game it won't change the fact that DA is dying.

 

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Awards in 2014? That was a weak year in gaming, so SOMEONE had to win, might as well be DAI. I doubt DAI would have gotten GOTY in 2015 against Fallout 4, Halo 5, and Witcher 3.

Nice try

Oh and ME3 won a bunch of awards and yet it was one of the more criticized ME games.

Post release reputation to me is more convincing evidence than awards given out by the press at the time of launch.

 

There were some really good games in 2014 and you are doing those games a lot of injustice by saying the year was weak for them.  You might not have liked Inquisition, but Alien: Isolation, Shadow of Mordor, Far Cry 4, Bayonetta 2, and probably a few more were all released and they all were received quite well.  Which is the normal trend for any year where there are a handful of games that are released that are any good.

 

For me it would be arguing that if Fallout 4 won GOTY awards that 2015 would be only because 2015 was a weak year, because they botched their QA again and released a broken product that required fans to fix.


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Honestly, all that "If there are any future games" is just PR-ese for "we really don't want to make a statement that could be construed as a promise of future content to come (which we haven't started even thinking about yet) and thus generate bad press if said supposed promise ends up unfulfilled." I would be shocked - shocked! - all the way to my black, frozen and twisted core if DA4 does not happen. It would take something really serious and really bad to prevent it from happening.


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Food for thought...

If DA wasn't going to continue, why publish material like Magekiller? Why waste resources on something that has no future?


You act like things never get cancelled.

It happens in the industry all the time. Jist cause a ground work is laid for something does not 100% guarentee that it will be completed. People change their mind, cut their losses, and move remaining resources to other projects.

Movies get cut in the middle of shooting, games get cut in the middle of development. What makes Dragon Age so immune?

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There were some really good games in 2014 and you are doing those games a lot of injustice by saying the year was weak for them. You might not have liked Inquisition, but Alien: Isolation, Shadow of Mordor, Far Cry 4, Bayonetta 2, and probably a few more were all released and they all were received quite well. Which is the normal trend for any year where there are a handful of games that are released that are any good.

For me it would be arguing that if Fallout 4 won GOTY awards that 2015 would be only because 2015 was a weak year, because they botched their QA again and released a broken product that required fans to fix.

DAI did not have another next gen AAA RPG to compete with in 2014. Come to think of it, DAI was probably the 1st next gen RPG released which gave it a certain novelty. DAI did not have a Fallout 4 or Witcher 3 to compete against. Again, DAI was a novelty, it was "the first".

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Don't have to try as there are more than 100+ GOTY Awards, plus other awards within the industry and outside of it. Again, while one is entitled to an opinion, it is better to have one supported by evidence.

And my evidence is that the user score on Metratic for DAI is LOW. Oh wait....I guess you will dismiss that cause it is the opposite of what you want to hear. And before you say user scores on metatric are always low, then explain why TW3 is so high.

PS4

http://www.metacriti...age-inquisition


http://www.metacriti...her-3-wild-hunt


PC

http://www.metacriti...age-inquisition

http://www.metacriti.../critic-reviews

Xbox One

http://www.metacriti...age-inquisition

http://www.metacriti...her-3-wild-hunt


Even Skyrim had higher user scores...you know....that game Bioware tried to copy with DAI.

http://www.metacriti...crolls-v-skyrim

http://www.metacriti...crolls-v-skyrim

http://www.metacriti...crolls-v-skyrim ( the ps3 version was low cause Bethesda neglected the ps3 fanbase in terms of dlc and bug fixes)

You can throw around GOTY awards all you want, but user/consumer feedback is just was important and there are many people who were not satisfied with DAI. You think EA and Bioware will just ignore them cause DAI was Bioware's best launch and swept the GOTY awards? No buddy! Expect for there to be a DA4.....but do not expect it to be a copy and paste of DAI either. Feedback (positive and negative) from DAI will be used to craft DA4. So DA4 could turn out to be a game you like or not like, same with me.

Again, expect a DA4....but expect there to be MAJOR changes from DAI.

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Da: I is not even next gen. It's a transiction game. it failed under that aspect, too.



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I wouldn't worry about it.   The chances of it "not" getting the go ahead is pretty slim considering the success of this one.    They are probably just lining up their future releases of other IPs before giving the go ahead.   

 

This is likely a good thing as it means they learned their lesson from DA2 about jumping right into the next one.



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The fact that no official sales with the obligatory "x characters created, y time spent, z amount of enemies terminated" sheet were communicated after the "biggest launch" could implicate that the sales dropped vastly after the first week. So I don't think the 5 mio mark was reached. If it was financially successfull as expected, no one of us can know. Do I think DA IV will happen? Yes, but not in the near future.



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I wouldn't worry. DAI sold well enough and BW has his numerous slice of loyal gamers purchasing all its works. Considering RPG is relatively a niche market I wouldn't worry about a next DA. It more likely they want their fans (after the last DLC) to focus their hype on Mass Effect Andromeda and the new IP who is going to be announced.

 

It will be announced when there is something to be said.


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DAI did not have another next gen AAA RPG to compete with in 2014. Come to think of it, DAI was probably the 1st next gen RPG released which gave it a certain novelty. DAI did not have a Fallout 4 or Witcher 3 to compete against. Again, DAI was a novelty, it was "the first".

 

You never said that it won RPG of the year awards because of a lack of good RPGs, you said game of the year.  I would have a better time agreeing with there wasn't a lot of strong AAA RPG titles, but with the trend of indie games I think something like Divinty: Original Sin would have had a good chance is people didn't like Inquisition the way these forums make it out.  There are people consider Dark Souls 2 a RPG as well, but I have never played it to say one way or the other and it was released in 2014 too.

 

As far as the game being a novelty because it was the only RPG at the time for the console, there isn't a way to counter that argument because there isn't any proof either way.  For I could just as easily say people enjoyed what Dragon Age: Inquisition offered and knew what they were getting.  I can't back that up either.

 

Edit: I am pretty sure that in the RPG of the Year awards Dragon Age: Inquisition would best Halo 5 too.  I do think if as they were released The Witcher 3 would beat both Dragon Age: Inquisition and Fallout 4, but you never know for I could also see the awards being more split that year. Personally I am glad they game out apart like they did for I was able to enjoy both games.


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