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[X Equestris]

And my evidence is that the user score on Metratic for DAI is LOW. Oh wait....I guess you will dismiss that cause it is the opposite of what you want to hear. And before you say user scores on metatric are always low, then explain why TW3 is so high.
PS4http://www.metacriti...age-inquisitionhttp://www.metacriti...her-3-wild-hunt
PChttp://www.metacriti...age-inquisitionhttp://www.metacriti.../critic-reviews
Xbox Onehttp://www.metacriti...age-inquisitionhttp://www.metacriti...her-3-wild-hunt
Even Skyrim had higher user scores...you know....that game Bioware tried to copy with DAI.http://www.metacriti...crolls-v-skyrimhttp://www.metacriti...crolls-v-skyrimhttp://www.metacriti...crolls-v-skyrim ( the ps3 version was low cause Bethesda neglected the ps3 fanbase in terms of dlc and bug fixes)
You can throw around GOTY awards all you want, but user/consumer feedback is just was important and there are many people who were not satisfied with DAI. You think EA and Bioware will just ignore them cause DAI was Bioware's best launch and swept the GOTY awards? No buddy! Expect for there to be a DA4.....but do not expect it to be a copy and paste of DAI either. Feedback (positive and negative) from DAI will be used to craft DA4. So DA4 could turn out to be a game you like or not like, same with me.
Again, expect a DA4....but expect there to be MAJOR changes from DAI.

People trolled the user reviews section, you know. People were giving it zeroes almost as soon as it released. I wouldn't use the user review sections for anything.

Also note that a considerable number of those Game of the Year awards were Reader's Choice. Clearly there was a fair amount of people who enjoyed it enough to vote for it in all of those contests.

[Heimdall]

The fact that no official sales with the obligatory "x characters created, y time spent, z amount of enemies terminated" sheet were communicated after the "biggest launch" could implicate that the sales dropped vastly after the first week. So I don't think the 5 mio mark was reached. If it was financially successfull as expected, no one of us can know. Do I think DA IV will happen? Yes, but not in the near future.

EA cited DAI's unexpectedly strong performance as a major factor in them beating their estimates for the quarter, right alongside their major sports titles. They also gave a figure of something like 200 million hours played in April.

[Elhanan]

You act like things never get cancelled.

It happens in the industry all the time. Jist cause a ground work is laid for something does not 100% guarentee that it will be completed. People change their mind, cut their losses, and move remaining resources to other projects.

Movies get cut in the middle of shooting, games get cut in the middle of development. What makes Dragon Age so immune?

So, this is confirming what was said by the Devs; nothing is certain at this point, but the ideas are there. Thanks!

[Shevy]

EA cited DAI's unexpectedly strong performance as a major factor in them beating their estimates for the quarter, right alongside their major sports titles. They also gave a figure of something like 200 million hours played in April.

That quarterly report I'm aware of, but without concrete numbers I don't buy it really. It could've only been cited for investors pleasing.

The sheet on the other hand has passed me without notice, so maybe I'm wrong then in my assumption.

[correctamundo]

That quarterly report I'm aware of, but without concrete numbers I don't buy it really. It could've only been cited for investors pleasing.

The sheet on the other hand has passed me without notice, so maybe I'm wrong then in my assumption.

 

Well I guess they could be lying to the stockholders and the NASDAQ (iirc) representatives. I doubt that it would be a smart move in the long run.

[Elhanan]

And my evidence is that the user score on Metratic for DAI is LOW. Oh wait....I guess you will dismiss that cause it is the opposite of what you want to hear. And before you say user scores on metatric are always low, then explain why TW3 is so high.

*snip*

You can throw around GOTY awards all you want, but user/consumer feedback is just was important and there are many people who were not satisfied with DAI. You think EA and Bioware will just ignore them cause DAI was Bioware's best launch and swept the GOTY awards? No buddy! Expect for there to be a DA4.....but do not expect it to be a copy and paste of DAI either. Feedback (positive and negative) from DAI will be used to craft DA4. So DA4 could turn out to be a game you like or not like, same with me.

Again, expect a DA4....but expect there to be MAJOR changes from DAI.

Using meta-critic as a source is unwise; known to have flawed and invalid data. Reviews elsewhere differ.

Do not forget Peoples Awards and the awards gifted from outside of the industry. So those repeating the mantra's of hatred may continue to spam their low ratings on sites like meta-critic, but still have an apparent minority overall.

I expect change in DA4; simply hope it does not include the lesser use of cut-scenes. I prefer actual gameplay.

[Fearsome1]

What we know:

-Patrick Weekes is the new lead writer for Dragon Age.

-Mass Effect: Andromeda is in the spotlight right now

-BioWare has a new IP to develop

-David Gaider, Mary Kirby, and other veteran writers have been transferred to the new IP

 

What we do not yet know:

-No one has announced that Sheryl Chee, Lukas Kristjanson (I think... although he may be on the new IP too), and the remaining veteran writers have been reassigned.

-No one has announced that "Trespassers" (if that is the English title, as "Intruders" or "Interlopers" are other possible translations) is the last DLC

 

Potentially relevant scuttlebutt/rumors/media:

-We're supposed to be going north in the future.

-When DAI was announced, the devs said that it was not typical to announce any new game so early in its development cycle, but they felt that the cancellation of DA2's expansion merited an early reveal.

-Devs have repeatedly stated that they have enough material for future games

-Devs have repeatedly stated that Dragon Age was never intended to be a trilogy.

-BioWare has its roots in the fantasy RPG genre. They've branched out and been quite successful in other genres, but they know where their bread is buttered.

 

TL;DR: The remaining staff is not going to sit around drinking coffee on company time until Andromeda and the new IP are out of the spotlight. Unless they've all been silently reassigned or laid off, they'll be working on something. Dragon Age isn't dead yet.

 

Edit: Yeah, this is the last DLC. But it does make sense as they seem to be packing up the blueprints for DAI and calling it done so they can move on to the next title.

 

This is probably the best assessment of the current scenario that anyone might proffer, and I agree with your observations. 

[Majestic Jazz]

People trolled the user reviews section, you know. People were giving it zeroes almost as soon as it released. I wouldn't use the user review sections for anything.

Also note that a considerable number of those Game of the Year awards were Reader's Choice. Clearly there was a fair amount of people who enjoyed it enough to vote for it in all of those contests.

And people do not troll the TW3 as well as Skyrim user review scores?

Also, for every troll that gave it a zero on the first day, I am sure there were those who gave it a 10 as well for "just cause" reasons. So it all balanced out.

[Elhanan]

And people do not troll the TW3 as well as Skyrim user review scores?

Also, for every troll that gave it a zero on the first day, I am sure there were those who gave it a 10 as well for "just cause" reasons.

Which sets the average at 5; thus indicating that extremists alter the actual review score results. And one still does not have to actually have played the game to score it. Invalid results confirmed.

[Almostfaceman]

There's going to be another Dragon Age, they just won't announce anything about it until they're ready to do so. The game has been successful for Bioware. 

 

https://en.wikipedia...ge:_Inquisition

[Majestic Jazz]

EA cited DAI's unexpectedly strong performance as a major factor in them beating their estimates for the quarter, right alongside their major sports titles. They also gave a figure of something like 200 million hours played in April.

See this is why I do not put too much faith in their claim that DAI sold well without sold numbers to back it up. That 200 million hours played in April is just PR speak that only fools naive people. DAI is notoriously known for having hours and hours and hours of filler/fetch quest. I beat the game once amd it took me around 150 hours. That is more hours than I can put into all 3 Mass Effect titles combined including all sidequest and DLC. Yet EA did not mentiom that did they?

So bragging about how many hours people poured into a game that is a pure timesink really does not say anything to me other than that I was not the only one who got sucked/fooled into playing all the filler content in DAI.

[Andreas Amell]

It's greenlit, not 'greenlited'. 

[Elhanan]

See this is why I do not put too much faith in their claim that DAI sold well without sold numbers to back it up. That 200 million hours played in April is just PR speak that only fools naive people. DAI is notoriously known for having hours and hours and hours of filler/fetch quest. I beat the game once amd it took me around 150 hours. That is more hours than I can put into all 3 Mass Effect titles combined including all sidequest and DLC. Yet EA did not mentiom that did they?

So bragging about how many hours people poured into a game that is a pure timesink really does not say anything to me other than that I was not the only one who got sucked/fooled into playing all the filler content in DAI.

And basing an opinion on a lack of information does not seem to be prudent.

EA is still supporting Bioware, which is still supporting DAI. DLC is still forthcoming, as are patches. Those are points of factual evidence on which to base an informed opinion; not what isn't there.

[Heimdall]

See this is why I do not put too much faith in their claim that DAI sold well without sold numbers to back it up. That 200 million hours played in April is just PR speak that only fools naive people. DAI is notoriously known for having hours and hours and hours of filler/fetch quest. I beat the game once amd it took me around 150 hours. That is more hours than I can put into all 3 Mass Effect titles combined including all sidequest and DLC. Yet EA did not mentiom that did they?

So bragging about how many hours people poured into a game that is a pure timesink really does not say anything to me other than that I was not the only one who got sucked/fooled into playing all the filler content in DAI.

EA doesn't release exact sales numbers for any of their games anymore, that can't be used as a factor against DAI.

[Thibax]

Maybe next Dragon Age will be a fighting game that we can compete at EVO 

 

And I don't know about the next Dragon Age game, if it is to keep a lot of restrictions, it's better not to have.

[X Equestris]

And people do not troll the TW3 as well as Skyrim user review scores?
Also, for every troll that gave it a zero on the first day, I am sure there were those who gave it a 10 as well for "just cause" reasons. So it all balanced out.

Not as much, I'm sure of that. A disturbing number of people have a bizarrely obsessive hatred for Bioware. CDPR, on the other hand, is something of the Internet's darling right now.

[Majestic Jazz]

Which sets the average at 5; thus indicating that extremists alter the actual review score results. And one still does not have to actually have played the game to score it. Invalid results confirmed.

 

Wrong, like go back and read what I said. I said that for every 0 score, there is a 10 score that cancels it out. In between are more honest review scores.

 

Go ahead and try your best to discount the metacritic user score because it undermines your idea that people just love DAI.

 

Sometimes the truth hurts. 

 

Besides, lets not forget, as much as TW3 is popular now, at launch (and even now) there is a large group of people who hate what TW3 stand for. They hate how it is yet another straight/white/hyper masculine male as the lead character in which you cannot customize. They also hate how women are portrayed in the game and guess what, TW3 received many 0s, 1s, 2s, and 3s in metacritic because of it and yet it still has high scores.

 

So riddle me this, why was it that TW3 still has high review scores after being trolled whereas DAI still has low scores after being trolled?

[Majestic Jazz]

Not as much, I'm sure of that. A disturbing number of people have a bizarrely obsessive hatred for Bioware. CDPR, on the other hand, is something of the Internet's darling right now.

 

Again, there are also obsessive love for Bioware because of their stance on social issues such as homosexuality and feminism. So again, it goes both ways. There are people probably in this thread that is defending DAI not because they believe it to be a superior game, but because it is made by Bioware, which is a company that is progressive on many social issues and DAI to them is more than just a RPG, but a game that is making a "statement" within the industry. These types of gamers are also the same ones that has a pure hate/disdane for games like The Witcher 3 cause it is like the anti-DAI. 

 

A forum user here named mia once said that she only plays Bioware games cause it is the only game that allows her to play as a strong female lead and that she would NEVER purchase a CDPR game until they give her the option to play as a female.

[X Equestris]

Again, there are also obsessive love for Bioware because of their stance on social issues such as homosexuality and feminism. So again, it goes both ways. 
 
A forum user here named mia once said that she only plays Bioware games cause it is the only game that allows her to play as a strong female lead and that she would NEVER purchase a CDPR game until they give her the option to play as a female.

The flaw in your argument is your presumption that these groups are equal.

No matter what, Metacritic's user reviews are an inherently flawed source, as anyone on the Internet can post a review, regardless of whether they've played the game or not.

[Elhanan]

Wrong, like go back and read what I said. I said that for every 0 score, there is a 10 score that cancels it out. In between are more honest review scores.
 
Go ahead and try your best to discount the metacritic user score because it undermines your idea that people just love DAI.
 
Sometimes the truth hurts. 
 
Besides, lets not forget, as much as TW3 is popular now, at launch (and even now) there is a large group of people who hate what TW3 stand for. They hate how it is yet another straight/white/hyper masculine male as the lead character in which you cannot customize. They also hate how women are portrayed in the game and guess what, TW3 received many 0s, 1s, 2s, and 3s in metacritic because of it and yet it still has high scores.
 
So riddle me this, why was it that TW3 still has high review scores after being trolled whereas DAI still has low scores after being trolled?

They do not cancel; the average is used to get a five. That detracts from any valid scores. That is not an opinion; tis a fact.

Meta-critic allows non-users to vote. If they have not played the game, those scores are invalid.

Reviews can apparently be copied and pasted; invalid data.

I do not fear the Truth; suggest looking at it. And I do not compare TW3 to DAI; different kind of game, and I choose not to play the TW series.

[Majestic Jazz]

The flaw in your argument is your presumption that these groups are equal.

No matter what, Metacritic's user reviews are an inherently flawed source, as anyone on the Internet can post a review, regardless of whether they've played the game or not.

 

That does not answer my question as to why games like Witcher 3 and Skyrim got high scores but DAI got low scores. Some people just cant admit that perhaps DAI isn't all loved the way you want to think it is and that despite it selling well at launch, perhaps there is a LARGE part of the base that was not satisfied with the game due to various things.

 

This is what people fail to understand. They want to continue on telling themselves that DAI is a popular game and that everyone loves it and only a small vocal minority hates it.

 

Again, this forums has this logic:

 

- You talk positive about DAI, then you are speaking the truth. Anything that proves or shows that DAI is a great game, is taken as valid.

 

- You talk negative about DAI, then are you are just speaking your opinion. Anything that attempts to show that DAI is not a great game (or at least not all that popular), is not valid and is discredited. 

[Giantdeathrobot]

Again, there are also obsessive love for Bioware because of their stance on social issues such as homosexuality and feminism. So again, it goes both ways. There are people probably in this thread that is defending DAI not because they believe it to be a superior game, but because it is made by Bioware, which is a company that is progressive on many social issues and DAI to them is more than just a RPG, but a game that is making a "statement" within the industry. These types of gamers are also the same ones that has a pure hate/disdane for games like The Witcher 3 cause it is like the anti-DAI. 

 

A forum user here named mia once said that she only plays Bioware games cause it is the only game that allows her to play as a strong female lead and that she would NEVER purchase a CDPR game until they give her the option to play as a female.

 

Because there are far more people playing video games on the internet who are against homosexuality and feminism, than there are people who are against ''hypermasculinity'', whatever that is. Bioware also gets far more hate because of the EA thing, as well as previously making two controversial games.

 

Metacritic sucks. Anyone with a basic grasp of statistics can easily explain why it's non-representative. The degree of which varies from game to game, of course. But even if Bioware releases a freaking amazing game now, with how ''tainted'' their reputation is amongst many people who do user reviews, they will never have as high a score as companies like CDPR or Obsidian who are revered as saints.

 

It's hardly unique to Bioware anyway; other egregious examples are things like Company of Heroes 2 (a flawed but pretty well made and relatively popular RTS) netting a 2 on Metacritic because some Russian youtuber told his followers to bomb the game since it didn't praise the Soviet Union to the high heavens. This is the kind of BS that is allowed to happen on that site.

 

One can rationalize it all day with ''it was a poor year'', it remains that Inquisition still racked up loads of GOTY awards, includng the most Reader's Choice of any game, in a year that also released a pretty beloved RPG (Original Sin) and several highly acclaimed games (such as Alien: Isolation, Shadow of Mordor, and Bayonneta 2). So saying it had a bad reception because of shitty Metracritic user reviews is just burying one's head in the sand. It wasn't the most popular game to ever exist, sure, but far from a critical failure either. Metacritic is the outlier here, and even then only for PC. The console versions had better, albeit admitedly not stellar scores.

[Elhanan]

That does not answer my question as to why games like Witcher 3 and Skyrim got high scores but DAI got low scores. Some people just cant admit that perhaps DAI isn't all loved the way you want to think it is and that despite it selling well at launch, perhaps there is a LARGE part of the base that was not satisfied with the game due to various things.
 
This is what people fail to understand. They want to continue on telling themselves that DAI is a popular game and that everyone loves it and only a small vocal minority hates it.
 
Again, this forums has this logic:
 
- You talk positive about DAI, then you are speaking the truth. Anything that proves or shows that DAI is a great game, is taken as valid.
 
- You talk negative about DAI, then are you are just speaking your opinion. Anything that attempts to show that DAI is not a great game (or at least not all that popular), is not valid and is discredited.

Because personally, I do not wish to waste time comparing one set of invalid stats with another. Much like holding a couple of bad apples; don't plan on eating either one.

Meta-critic promotes flawed information. That is a fact.

[corkey sweet]

Well, EA and Bioware made a lot of money on inquisition so it seems like a given that we will get another dragon age title at some point. I just hope next time they have some new talent working on armor, hair, and beards because those 3 things where pretty terrible in inquisition 

[Majestic Jazz]

Because there are far more people playing video games on the internet who are against homosexuality and feminism, than there are people who are against ''hypermasculinity'', whatever that is. Bioware also gets far more hate because of the EA thing, as well as previously making two controversial games.

 

Metacritic sucks. Anyone with a basic grasp of statistics can easily explain why it's non-representative. The degree of which varies from game to game, of course. But even if Bioware releases a freaking amazing game now, with how ''tainted'' their reputation is amongst many people who do user reviews, they will never have as high a score as companies like CDPR or Obsidian who are revered as saints.

 

It's hardly unique to Bioware anyway; other egregious examples are things like Company of Heroes 2 (a flawed but pretty well made and relatively popular RTS) netting a 2 on Metacritic because some Russian youtuber told his followers to bomb the game since it didn't praise the Soviet Union to the high heavens. This is the kind of BS that is allowed to happen on that site.

 

One can rationalize it all day with ''it was a poor year'', it remains that Inquisition still racked up loads of GOTY awards, includng the most Reader's Choice of any game, in a year that also released a pretty beloved RPG (Original Sin) and several highly acclaimed games (such as Alien: Isolation, Shadow of Mordor, and Bayonneta 2). So saying it had a bad reception because of shitty Metracritic user reviews is just burying one's head in the sand. It wasn't the most popular game to ever exist, sure, but far from a critical failure either. Metacritic is the outlier here, and even then only for PC. The console versions had better, albeit admitedly not stellar scores.

 

So if Bioware/EA gets a lot of hate, then please explain to me why Mass Effect 2 metacritic scores or so high....please, explain....

 

If it was an EA thing, you would think the EA hate would be consisted correct? So far, most Bioware games got high metacritic review scores. It was only DA2 and DAI that gets the low scores. Even Dragon Age: Orgins, another Bioware/EA game got higher user review scores. 

 

So again, explain.....I look forward to your excuse again.