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[Elhanan]

Glancing at a timeline, wonder if the invalid scores are similar starting in 2011.

[pdusen]

Go ahead and try your best to discount the metacritic user score because it undermines your idea that people just love DAI.

 

Sometimes the truth hurts. 

 

Please. EA could put out sales figures calling it the most successful game ever sold ever and you'd still find some crazy way to spin it negatively.

 

You hated it, and you want it to fail so that Bioware will totally change how they make games and everything will be better (for you).

 

Well, tough. Wishing for DA:I to be a failure won't make it so. Deal. With. It.

 

As for the rest of you, I don't know why you're still arguing with Jazz. He's been pushing this same nonsense agenda almost since DAI came out and nothing anyone says will change his mind.

 

[Elhanan]

Please. EA could put out sales figures calling it the most successful game ever sold ever and you'd still find some crazy way to spin it negatively.
 
You hated it, and you want it to fail so that Bioware will totally change how they make games and everything will be better (for you).
 
Well, tough. Wishing for DA:I to be a failure won't make it so. Deal. With. It.
 
As for the rest of you, I don't know why you're still arguing with Jazz. He's been pushing this same nonsense agenda almost since DAI came out and nothing anyone says will change it.

Because some folks buy into conspiracy theories, too. Choose to indicate them for what they are to avoid a Blight.

[Apollexander]

A few days ago when I was arguing with a guy who holds a negative opinion on DAI. He/she mentioned metacritic user score to support the point. Then I posted "Let's say if we assume that the user score could be trusted. Then a larger sample of users is definitely more persuasive. Take the Xbox One as an example, DAI is rated 6.9/10 by 575 users on metacritic, but if you look at the Xbox One store then it is rated 4.5/5 by 11514 users."

And then the guy began to deny the validity of X1 user score by "When were those reviews for the X1 posted, because one thing I noticed among my friends and other is that when the game was first released they were singing praises about it. As time went on though and the hype died down I didn't hear a peep about the game from them again, most of them forgot about it entirely and some even hated it.", as if the metacritic user score is highly objective. Kinda fun.

[TK514]

I'm not particularly concerned about it.  If DA:I met or exceeded their expectations, BioEA will pony up for another one.

[X Equestris]

So if Bioware/EA gets a lot of hate, then please explain to me why Mass Effect 2 metacritic scores or so high....please, explain....
 
If it was an EA thing, you would think the EA hate would be consisted correct? So far, most Bioware games got high metacritic review scores. It was only DA2 and DAI that gets the low scores. Even Dragon Age: Orgins, another Bioware/EA game got higher user review scores. 
 
So again, explain.....I look forward to your excuse again.

ME2 was what some consider to be the last good game Bioware ever made. It was followed by DA2 and ME3, both of which earned a lot of ire, though for differing reasons. They're what created the group that hates Bioware with all of its being, and both games contributed to EA's poor reputation in recent years.

[Majestic Jazz]

Because some folks buy into conspiracy theories, too. Choose to indicate them for what they are to avoid a Blight.

 

Like I said if someone talks positively about DAI then it is fact. If someone talks negatively about DAI, then it is opinions that holds no validity.

 

Again, still waiting for someone to answer this:

 

 

So if Bioware/EA gets a lot of hate, then please explain to me why Mass Effect 2 metacritic scores or so high....please, explain....I mean, I remember the forums were in an uproar after ME2 came out and how they "dumbed down" the RPG elements to appeal to the "COD crowd", it was nuts for the following months after release, and yet ME2 maintains a high user metacritic score.

 

If it was an EA thing, you would think the EA hate would be consisted correct? So far, most Bioware games got high metacritic review scores. It was only DA2 and DAI that gets the low scores. Even Dragon Age: Orgins, another Bioware/EA game got higher user review scores. 

 

So again, explain.....I look forward to your excuse again.

[robertthebard]

Well said, especially your last sentence.

If someone says DAI is a great game, then that person gets a high five. If a person says DAI is a bad game, then suddenly it is "just their opinion" and not a fact.

Funny....

Actually, how many posts would I find by you claiming "fanboi" or "shiller" directed at people who's only "crime" was liking the game? There's a word for this: hypocrite.

However, other than this, the most I have commented to you about is your "6 million copies shows how gamers feel about the game", with no clue whatsoever as to how many copies of DA I sold. It's funny, to me, that you come out with this post, considering the vitriol you like to post against people who like the game, or don't want to discuss your pet game here. I guess that old expression is true: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit".

[pdusen]

Sure, I'll bite.

 

So if Bioware/EA gets a lot of hate, then please explain to me why Mass Effect 2 metacritic scores or so high....please, explain....I mean, I remember the forums were in an uproar after ME2 came out and how they "dumbed down" the RPG elements to appeal to the "COD crowd", it was nuts for the following months after release, and yet ME2 maintains a high user metacritic score.

 

If it was an EA thing, you would think the EA hate would be consisted correct? So far, most Bioware games got high metacritic review scores. It was only DA2 and DAI that gets the low scores. Even Dragon Age: Orgins, another Bioware/EA game got higher user review scores. 

 

So again, explain.....I look forward to your excuse again.

 

 

Different game, different time, different people.

[Rappeldrache]

How long have they worked on DAI? So, how long will they work on DA4, if they will be a DA4?

[robertthebard]

Sure, I'll bite.
 
 
Different game, different time, different people.

Actually, once he went to metacritic, you could totally ignore anything he said. The quote in my sig is from another metacritic fan, where they don't require one to actually even own a copy of a game to post a "review", and acceptable policy is "Too many people are voting one way or the other, and I had to vote the opposite, to "balance" it out".

[Majestic Jazz]

Please. EA could put out sales figures calling it the most successful game ever sold ever and you'd still find some crazy way to spin it negatively.

 

You hated it, and you want it to fail so that Bioware will totally change how they make games and everything will be better (for you).

 

Well, tough. Wishing for DA:I to be a failure won't make it so. Deal. With. It.

 

As for the rest of you, I don't know why you're still arguing with Jazz. He's been pushing this same nonsense agenda almost since DAI came out and nothing anyone says will change his mind.

 

 

 

So you think DA4 is going to be a copy and paste of DAI? To date, no DA game has been similar to the previous. DAO was a nod to old style WRPGs like Baulder's Gate but it wasn't big for the modern WRPG crowd. So with DA2, they changed it to make it more "fun" with the "press a button and something cool happens". However DA2 had it's flaws and people hated the claustophobic nature of the game. So with DAI, they counter that by giving us open worlds with a bit more of an emphasis on RPG elements than DA2. However DAI while loved by many, also has many who hated the filler content of the large open worlds and believed them to be lifeless. Then you have the dull and monotone protagonist, poor PC support, and cartoon villain. 

 

Again, I fully expect a Dragon Age 4, but do not for one second believe that DA4 is going to be a mirror of DAI with just shiner graphics. Expect changes. These changes could be in my favor or your favor....but there will be changes. Just like there are changes from ME3 to MEA. This is Bioware's staple, they take feedback from their previous game and use it to craft their next game.

 

So I do not have to "hope DAI fails" so that Bioware can change things. ME1 was a huge success and yet they still changed things in ME2. Change happens, and it will with DA4. Accept it. 

 

Now with that said, I do expect some similarities between DAI and DA4, but similarities does not mean exact same with just updated graphics. In a few years when DA4 is revealed, there will be some disappointed people here and there will be some satisfied people here. Which one of those will you be? We will find out in a few years time. 

[pdusen]

Actually, once he went to metacritic, you could totally ignore anything he said. The quote in my sig is from another metacritic fan, where they don't require one to actually even own a copy of a game to post a "review", and acceptable policy is "Too many people are voting one way or the other, and I had to vote the opposite, to "balance" it out".

 

Oh, I stopped taking Jazz seriously a long time ago. But this one was easy. He asked why two things are different, and I said "because they are different things. duh."

 

So you think DA4 is going to be a copy and paste of DAI? 

 

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Change happens, and it will with DA4. Accept it. 

 

Actually, I don't think that, or even particularly want that. You can tell because I didn't say it. Try harder.

[Sunnie]

@Majestic Jazz

 

We get it already, you hate the game. Fine. You are entitled to your opinion, like everyone else. You have been heard just like everyone else, so can we stop with the vitriol already? It's pretty obvious that nobody in this thread is going to change their opinion in any way, so lets just all agree to disagree?

[FKA_Servo]

How long have they worked on DAI? So, how long will they work on DA4, if they will be a DA4?

 

They won't have an engine change and crippling old gen co-development to contend with. Which likely counts for far more than people realize. I just wish they dropped the old gen systems in the planning stages and not halfway through the DLC cycle.

[Elhanan]

Like I said if someone talks positively about DAI then it is fact. If someone talks negatively about DAI, then it is opinions that holds no validity.
 
Again, still waiting for someone to answer this:

So if Bioware/EA gets a lot of hate, then please explain to me why Mass Effect 2 metacritic scores or so high....please, explain....I mean, I remember the forums were in an uproar after ME2 came out and how they "dumbed down" the RPG elements to appeal to the "COD crowd", it was nuts for the following months after release, and yet ME2 maintains a high user metacritic score.
 
If it was an EA thing, you would think the EA hate would be consisted correct? So far, most Bioware games got high metacritic review scores. It was only DA2 and DAI that gets the low scores. Even Dragon Age: Orgins, another Bioware/EA game got higher user review scores. 
 
So again, explain.....I look forward to your excuse again.

Not everyone that has a negative thing to say about the game is invalid. I have had a few things I wish changed, as have others that some consider to be Fanboys. Simply prefer constructive crit to negative hyperbole. And I gave DAI a rating of 4/5 or 8.5/ 10, so I guess that is another biased theory full of holes.

And ME2 was made prior to 2011, which appears to be around the time when the ratings lowered for Bioware at the invalid site entitled Meta-critic. Even there, context seems to help....

[Majestic Jazz]

@Majestic Jazz

 

We get it already, you hate the game. Fine. You are entitled to your opinion, like everyone else. You have been heard just like everyone else, so can we stop with the vitriol already? It's pretty obvious that nobody in this thread is going to change their opinion in any way, so lets just all agree to disagree?

 

I have the same right to express my opinions as everyone else on this forum does. Just because I generally speak out against the game does not mean that I have to be silenced.

 

Who ever said that the forums had to be a place where only people who like the game can have their voices heard?

[Giantdeathrobot]

So if Bioware/EA gets a lot of hate, then please explain to me why Mass Effect 2 metacritic scores or so high....please, explain....

 

If it was an EA thing, you would think the EA hate would be consisted correct? So far, most Bioware games got high metacritic review scores. It was only DA2 and DAI that gets the low scores. Even Dragon Age: Orgins, another Bioware/EA game got higher user review scores. 

 

So again, explain.....I look forward to your excuse again.

 

-The modern Bioware hate wagon started with DA2, and was reinforced by ME3's ending.

 

-The EA hate wagon has been steadily increasing in vigor, reaching an apex around 2012-2013 with things like the Sim City debacle, CnC 4 and Dead Space 3. The company was also voted Worst in America (which makes me laugh but w/e) around those years if I recall correctly. It has died own a bit in favor of Konami and Ubisoft since then but the hate is still very present.

 

-The modern trend of Metacritic review bombing also started around those years. With controversial games such as Aliens: Colonial Marines, CoH2, and yeah DA2. The trend is that if a game has an element that is controversial to a sufficiently large segment of the internet, it will be bombed to a greater or lesser degree. Bioware does not suffer from targeted bombings like CoH2 did, but the lingering resentment remains and strongly affects Metracritic user reviews, while other parts of the web are less affected (someone poited out the X1 user reviews, for instance, in which far more people voted). 

 

-It is indeed true that Inquisition is far from perfect, of course, what I said above does not account for all the low scores. Some people were genuinly disappointed with the game and that's both fine and inevitable.

 

But, and that's important, Metacritic is not representative. From Gamespot to X1 reviews to numerous Reader's Choice awards, elsewhere Inquisition has received good critical reception. Not as stellar as TW3's, granted, but not too much behind either. The overall picture, even including Metacritic, is not a negative one at all. You would have to focus solely on the Metacritic PC user scores to conclude that the game had a bad critical reception, and that is rather disingenuous.

[pdusen]

I have the same right to express my opinions as everyone else on this forum does. Just because I generally speak out against the game does not mean that I have to be silenced.

 

Who ever said that the forums had to be a place where only people who like the game can have their voices heard?

 

What, you actually think no one can hear you?

[Darvins]

This thread... wow so many people who are taking corporate speak of 'It hasn't been greenlit' yet to mean it's not going to, it more than likely is, at some point, but until they you know, present the proposals and get them accepted they are not going to say it has been, They are not going to say anything in fact, at the very earliest until they are a good way into the next game, because... it'll be subject to change far too much in the early stages, it's entirely possible that an early idea will turn out to be crazy and they have to go back to the drawing board.

 

Dragon Age is safe folks, I think anyone who thinks otherwise is reading far too much into a statement that amounted to 'I'm not saying anything until there is something to say'

[Majestic Jazz]

-The modern Bioware hate wagon started with DA2, and was reinforced by ME3's ending.

 

-The EA hate wagon has been steadily increasing in vigor, reaching an apex around 2012-2013 with things like the Sim City debacle, CnC 4 and Dead Space 3. The company was also voted Worst in America (which makes me laugh but w/e) around those years if I recall correctly. It has died own a bit in favor of Konami and Ubisoft since then but the hate is still very present.

 

-The modern trend of Metacritic review bombing also started around those years. With controversial games such as Aliens: Colonial Marines, CoH2, and yeah DA2. The trend is that if a game has an element that is controversial to a sufficiently large segment of the internet, it will be bombed to a greater or lesser degree. Bioware does not suffer from targeted bombings like CoH2 did, but the lingering resentment remains and strongly affects Metracritic user reviews, while other parts of the web are less affected (someone poited out the X1 user reviews, for instance, in which far more people voted). 

 

-It is indeed true that Inquisition is far from perfect, of course, what I said above does not account for all the low scores. Some people were genuinly disappointed with the game and that's both fine and inevitable.

 

But, and that's important, Metacritic is not representative. From Gamespot to X1 reviews to numerous Reader's Choice awards, elsewhere Inquisition has received good critical reception. Not as stellar as TW3's, granted, but not too much behind either. The overall picture, even including Metacritic, is not a negative one at all. You would have to focus solely on the Metacritic PC user scores to conclude that the game had a bad critical reception, and that is rather disingenuous.

 

Fair enough but we shall see whenever the first bits of information about DA4 emerges which probably wont be until around 2017 with a possible release in 2018. Then we will see how much was changed as a result of feedback from DAI as well as MEA. 

[Avejajed]

The problem we seem to be having on these forums and with humanity in general is the inability of people to be both respectful and critical at the same time. If we have a thought that isn't positive, we say it in the most disrespectful, immature way possible. We care nothing for feelings, being kind just to be kind, or seeing things from other point of views.

We have a problem, and maybe it's generational, with a real lack of human decency. A real lack of human compassion and empathy. Instead of building each other up, we tear down, we don't support one another, we complain and say hurtful things until we feel powerful or important.

When we talk about this game being, terrible, instead of saying you don't like this game, instead you must rip apart the thing as if human beings didn't spend the last four years of their lives working hard on it every day. They deserve respect from us too. They have lives and families and goddamn feelings too.

This forum really needs to work on its humanity and empathy and really start treating people with respect, kindness, and decency.

[FKA_Servo]

Not everyone that has a negative thing to say about the game is invalid. I have had a few things I wish changed, as have others that some consider to be Fanboys. Simply prefer constructive crit to negative hyperbole. And I gave DAI a rating of 4/5 or 8.5/ 10, so I guess that is another biased theory full of holes.

And ME2 was made prior to 2011, which appears to be around the time when the ratings lowered for Bioware at the invalid site entitled Meta-critic. Even there, context seems to help....

 

The metacritic thing is a small number of aggrieved cretins with a large number of sock puppet accounts and far too much time on their hands.

 

The thing about gamers (or certain factions of gamers, at any rate) is that they are vindictive and petty, and are willing to expend an absurd amount of energy and effort in undermining certain games or decisions they disagree with. I would agree with fixing it at 2011 (when Bioware's unconscionable abandonment of their core "straight white male" demographic (lol) alienated that bunch and their subsequent embrace of extreme, extreme leftwing progressive SJW wtfbbq just unhinged them further). ME3 obviously had the ending bru-ha-ha. DAI's reception there is a combination of those previously mentioned factors, along with the fact that it has the temerity to not be the Witcher, apparently.

 

Meanwhile, in reality, lots of people like the game, lots of people don't, and time keeps on slippin' into the future.

 

I have the same right to express my opinions as everyone else on this forum does. Just because I generally speak out against the game does not mean that I have to be silenced.

 

Who ever said that the forums had to be a place where only people who like the game can have their voices heard?

 

I applaud Majestic Jazz for being a fearless free thinker in a world full of sheeple. His strikingly original insights elevate the conversation here.

 

Keep on speaking truth to power, broseph.

[Shechinah]

Actually, once he went to metacritic, you could totally ignore anything he said. The quote in my sig is from another metacritic fan, where they don't require one to actually even own a copy of a game to post a "review",

 

Wait, they seriously don't?
 

[FKA_Servo]

Wait, they seriously don't?
 

 

I could make ten accounts right now and dole out ten zeroes if I wanted to. My petty dickery would be reflected in the average user score.