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[Elhanan]

Wait, they seriously don't?

As I understand, anyone can post a review whether or not they have played it.

[KCMeredith]

As soon as DA4 is out DAI will be the greatest game ever. It was actually really funny to see the shift from "DA2 is horrible, such a terrible game! I hate Hawke god he was so boring!" to "DA2 is actually pretty good and Hawke is soooo much better than the IQ!"

 

Its always the same cycle. See a few posts above, people were ranting about the dumbed down RPG elements in ME2 and now its considered the last "good" BW game and the best part of the series etc.

 

 

Will quote this post a week after DA4 releases and everyone hates it and demands something like DAI.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Fair enough but we shall see whenever the first bits of information about DA4 emerges which probably wont be until around 2017 with a possible release in 2018. Then we will see how much was changed as a result of feedback from DAI as well as MEA. 

 

I think the reception of Trespasser will affect their judgement. If the tightly paced, story-based DLC proves more popular than the big exploration DLC and the dungeon crawl DLC, they will probably get that most Bioware players prefer story and characters to exploration.

 

Inquisition was an experiment for Bioware. Ever since Baldur's Gate their games became tighter, more focused, at the expense of exploration and large areas. They wanted those back in; if you ask me, it was a worthy effort and broadly succeeded, albeit with several pitfalls (TW3 being indeed a better example of an open world that doesn't eschew quality side-quests, this being CDPR's biggest achievement to date if you ask me). 

 

But the reception wasn't really there on this particular aspect. Loads of people weren't too thrilled with the open world, even those who liked the game. IMO they should design the game to be like Origins, with more focused areas and better side-quests, but just bigger so it feels less like a bunch of corridors. They had a winning formula with Origins when it comes to world design. They just need to inject some elements from Inquisition there, such as dragon battles and hidden dungeons/areas, and I will be very content indeed. 

 

They will also no longer be hamstrung by old-gen technology going forward, so hopefully DA4 will have stuff like a proper big city, all in glorious Frostbite goodness.

[robertthebard]

Wait, they seriously don't?

Nope, no game ownership required, just an account. That fact alone completely undermines anything they might want to accomplish with the site.

[Paul E Dangerously]

The problem we seem to be having on these forums and with humanity in general is the inability of people to be both respectful and critical at the same time. If we have a thought that isn't positive, we say it in the most disrespectful, immature way possible. We care nothing for feelings, being kind just to be kind, or seeing things from other point of views.

We have a problem, and maybe it's generational, with a real lack of human decency. A real lack of human compassion and empathy. Instead of building each other up, we tear down, we don't support one another, we complain and say hurtful things until we feel powerful or important.

When we talk about this game being, terrible, instead of saying you don't like this game, instead you must rip apart the thing as if human beings didn't spend the last four years of their lives working hard on it every day. They deserve respect from us too. They have lives and families and goddamn feelings too.

This forum really needs to work on its humanity and empathy and really start treating people with respect, kindness, and decency.

 

 

Yes, people worked hard for it. I assume. Though looking at the version I bought, I have severe doubts about that. That out of the way, it's like the obvious thing to state that "someone worked hard on something". Naturally, someone did. That doesn't stop someone's opinions on the end product being any less valid. As far as respect, respect is earned. It's a two-way street, and my entire experience with DAI has convinced me Bioware doesn't give a rat's ass about an entire chunk of it's fanbase.

 

I'm also giggling at people already getting giddy at the next game "not being hamstrung by old gen". Take a long, hard look at Bioware's history, even when games were PC only. You're setting yourselves up for disappointment, folks. Something always has to give.

[Elhanan]

Nope, no game ownership required, just an account. That fact alone completely undermines anything they might want to accomplish with the site.

To be fair, I only know of the invalidation of game reviews; not other areas they may also cover. Not certain about films, items, etc; just incorrect information on games.

[Cheviot]

Wait, they seriously don't?
 

Most sites that aren't retailers can't enforce "own a game before writing a review", and some might not be too bothered about it either; if there are loads of people signing up to review-bomb a certain game, that means more page impressions.  Even some retailers aren't immune from this.

[Majestic Jazz]

I think the reception of Trespasser will affect their judgement. If the tightly paced, story-based DLC proves more popular than the big exploration DLC and the dungeon crawl DLC, they will probably get that most Bioware players prefer story and characters to exploration.

 

Inquisition was an experiment for Bioware. Ever since Baldur's Gate their games became tighter, more focused, at the expense of exploration and large areas. They wanted those back in; if you ask me, it was a worthy effort and broadly succeeded, albeit with several pitfalls (TW3 being indeed a better example of an open world that doesn't eschew quality side-quests, this being CDPR's biggest achievement to date if you ask me). 

 

But the reception wasn't really there on this particular aspect. Loads of people weren't too thrilled with the open world, even those who liked the game. IMO they should design the game to be like Origins, with more focused areas and better side-quests, but just bigger so it feels less like a bunch of corridors. They had a winning formula with Origins when it comes to world design. They just need to inject some elements from Inquisition there, such as dragon battles and hidden dungeons/areas, and I will be very content indeed. 

 

They will also no longer be hamstrung by old-gen technology going forward, so hopefully DA4 will have stuff like a proper big city, all in glorious Frostbite goodness.

 

Exactly, DAI was never meant to be a new paradigm for Bioware games, just as you say.....an experiment. Some loved it and some hated it. However in regards to the Trespasser DLC, was it confirmed that it will be a tight story/narrative DLC? For all we know, it could be similar to the previous 2 exploration focused DLCs.

 

At the end of the day, Bioware knows that their base wants story and characters.....not lore and exploration leave that to Bethesda. Why do you think that their new SWTOR expansion, Knights of the Fallen Empire is said to be story centric with a "return to Bioware's cinematic storytelling". I wonder if this could be a sign of things to come with DA4? Especially if this final DLC is more story/character driven instead of lore/exploration driven like Descent and Hakkon. 

[robertthebard]

Exactly, DAI was never meant to be a new paradigm for Bioware games, just as you say.....an experiment. Some loved it and some hated it. However in regards to the Trespasser DLC, was it confirmed that it will be a tight story/narrative DLC? For all we know, it could be similar to the previous 2 exploration focused DLCs.

As with anything, if you'd actually read the provided materials before you went on your tirade, you'd know the answer to this question. You didn't, though, did you? You saw a chance to throw out some hate and jumped right in, with both feet, and now, you're in a pitfall, because your lack of knowledge of the actual topic is showing.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

As Mark Darrah stated here on Twitter https://twitter.com/...789428245733381 , they don't have "permission" from EA to develop a next Dragon Age Game yet.
I find it strange that it isn't the case already.
Any thoughts about that from you guys?

If Mark isn't worried then neither am I.

[Majestic Jazz]

As with anything, if you'd actually read the provided materials before you went on your tirade, you'd know the answer to this question. You didn't, though, did you? You saw a chance to throw out some hate and jumped right in, with both feet, and now, you're in a pitfall, because your lack of knowledge of the actual topic is showing.

 

Lol, I always knew that DAI was an experiement for Bioware and not a roadmap for how their future titles will be like. Since KOTOR, their games have been focused on story and characters with a bit of exploration. With DAI that all changed to be about lore and exploration. People complained and if the new DLC is to show anything, it will prove that they now understand that people want story, characters, and cutscenes, not lore and exploration. Again, look at what they are doing with SWTOR by making the new expansion story/cutscene focused....and that is an MMO!

 

So it all plays back into my narrative that there will be a DA4, but do not expect it to be anything like DAI. 

[FireAndBlood]

@Majestic Jazz

 

1.Take a deep breath.

2.Go outside.

3.Get laid.

[jayman]

I would love to see a Dragon age 4,

 

But now that the ground work has been set, and the world has a large enough map...

 

I think its time to move this game into a MMO...

[robertthebard]

To be fair, I only know of the invalidation of game reviews; not other areas they may also cover. Not certain about films, items, etc; just incorrect information on games.

The problem I have is, quite simply that if you can dismiss a review out of hand, like you can with gaming reviews, and the criteria for posting a review is the same across the board, can they have anything valid? As with anything, this can seem somewhat hyperbolic of me, but the fact is, I don't trust them at all, because their criteria is the same across the board: The only requirement for posting a review is an account on the site.

[FKA_Servo]

The problem I have is, quite simply that if you can dismiss a review out of hand, like you can with gaming reviews, and the criteria for posting a review is the same across the board, can they have anything valid? As with anything, this can seem somewhat hyperbolic of me, but the fact is, I don't trust them at all, because their criteria is the same across the board: The only requirement for posting a review is an account on the site.

 

I generally don't trust it at all, either. That said, balanced, genuine feedback isn't out of the question, I think. Just not on a AAA game (and definitely not on a Bioware game).

 

For example, I buy D:OS's score, because frankly, there aren't enough kneejerk turds who care enough about that game to give it tens and ones 15 minutes after it releases and reviews open up. Therefore, it's likely (of course, I can't know that for sure) been reviewed by people who bought, played, and enjoyed the game.

[Yaroub]

Edmonton won't have much time on their hand to work on two projects as usual in the near future as they're fully concentrating on the new IP , and Austin after canceling Shadow Realms already lacking resources for SWTOR.

 

The game will rest for the time being , and Weeke could organize his thoughts.

 

I think its time to move this game into a MMO...

 

[Majestic Jazz]

@Majestic Jazz

 

1.Take a deep breath.

2.Go outside.

3.Get laid.

 

Thanks for the constructive addition to the thread.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Exactly, DAI was never meant to be a new paradigm for Bioware games, just as you say.....an experiment.

 

I don't think that's true at all. They've repeatedly said throughout the development process and not long after release that more open world-ish, exploration-focused is what they were going for in future titles, which would definitely be a new paradigm for at least DA, if not Bioware games in general. I think maybe (at least I hope) that they may be reconsidering this going forward.

[FKA_Servo]

Personally, I hope MEA is open-world, exploration based to the nth degree. I want it to make 100%ers cry.

 

Frankly, I don't even care if it has a "strong" central story. After cerberus cerberus star child, it might be better off without one.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Well I guess they could be lying to the stockholders and the NASDAQ (iirc) representatives. I doubt that it would be a smart move in the long run.

 

If there is any suspicion of EA lying to their shareholders, whoever has those suspicions should probably contact the Securities and Exchange Commission.  They should probably have more evidence, though, than "Well it just cannot possibly be as good as The Witcher, ERMAGAWD, The Witcher is da bomb and DAI just cannot compare, so they must be lying!"  There is a very small chance they might get laughed at by the SEC.

[Kabraxal]

If there is any suspicion of EA lying to their shareholders, whoever has those suspicions should probably contact the Securities and Exchange Commission.  They should probably have more evidence, though, than "Well it just cannot possibly be as good as The Witcher, ERMAGAWD, The Witcher is da bomb and DAI just cannot compare, so they must be lying!"  There is a very small chance they might get laughed at by the SEC.

Actually, I want that to be the exact reason someone does it... it would be hilarious.

[Majestic Jazz]

Personally, I hope MEA is open-world, exploration based to the nth degree. I want it to make 100%ers cry.

 

Frankly, I don't even care if it has a "strong" central story. After cerberus cerberus star child, it might be better off without one.

 

If the leak is to be any indicator, MEA will be open-world and exploration based. The only saving grace is that it isn't held back by older consoles and thus Bioware can do more to make these open worlds lively and entertaining instead of dull and empty like in DAI.

 

Perhaps some of the cut concepts of DAI like building different types of keeps and expanding territory will make it into MEA. Second, I believe that MEA will feature majority cutscenes in the dialog as opposed to the "Zoomed out" camera view of DAI in many of it's conversations.

 

So at worse, MEA will but a shinier and more in-depth version of DAI but in Mass Effect skin. Cant say too much about it cause Bioware isn't talking about it now. With DAI finally ending and the SWTOR expansion coming in October, hopefully this will give room for Bioware/EA to talk about MEA and the new IP more. 

[CuriousArtemis]

I think we didn't get official confirmation for "DA3" until something like early 2013.

 

I remember late 2011 they announced they were halting production on DA2 DLC and had nixed the expansion.

 

In 2012 the survey was leaked, but nothing was confirmed officially.

 

So it was either late 2012 or early 2013 that they finally revealed they were moving ahead with "DA3" (eventually revealed to be Dragon Age: Inquisition).

 

So using that same time table, I wouldn't expect to hear confirmation of a fourth title for 6 months to a year from now.

[ESTAQ99]

As soon as DA4 is out DAI will be the greatest game ever. It was actually really funny to see the shift from "DA2 is horrible, such a terrible game! I hate Hawke god he was so boring!" to "DA2 is actually pretty good and Hawke is soooo much better than the IQ!"

 

Its always the same cycle. See a few posts above, people were ranting about the dumbed down RPG elements in ME2 and now its considered the last "good" BW game and the best part of the series etc.

 

 

Will quote this post a week after DA4 releases and everyone hates it and demands something like DAI.

 

 

In my opinion, no one who has played DA2 could say that game didn't suffer from serious flaws. Most of them were too obvious to be denied, like the endless reused maps/caves throughout the game and a third act that was certainly rushed, among other flaws. I honestly never got into the DA2's hate train. I owe to that game hundreds of hours of sheer entertainment.

 

I can't counter argue you regarding Hawke because I wasn't active on this or any other forum when people were apparently lambasting Hawke as a boring protagonist. I always found Hawke to be very fleshed out as a PC and rather easy to be attached to, so it didn't surprised me to find out that my personal opinion was shared by so many people along these threads. My theory (and is just that, a theory) is that this new found praising re Hawke and some aspects of DA2 needs to be seen only in the context of comparing both DAI with DA2. There will always be gamers who will complain when devs deny them the chance to play as a spider or a flying pig because they feel their choices for building their own PC have been dramatically cut or limited to an extreme but in reality, I would assume from the very positive reception other games, with a more predetermined PC, have had that big percentage of people who bought this or that game, don't care much about it as long as said PC is well written in a game that was fun to play.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think we didn't get official confirmation for "DA3" until something like early 2013.

 

I remember late 2011 they announced they were halting production on DA2 DLC and had nixed the expansion.

 

In 2012 the survey was leaked, but nothing was confirmed officially.

 

So it was either late 2012 or early 2013 that they finally revealed they were moving ahead with "DA3" (eventually revealed to be Dragon Age: Inquisition).

 

So using that same time table, I wouldn't expect to hear confirmation of a fourth title for 6 months to a year from now.

Inquisition was confirmed in September 2012 and was originally slated for a Fall 2013 launch.