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#76
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I'd be interested in seeing a squadmate who has children.

 

Between DA and ME, I think we've had as many companions who were actually gods (1) as we have had companions who were parents (1).

 

In my life, I'd venture that I've met more people with kids than people who are actually gods.

 

Like full grown kids, teenage kids, kid kids, newborns? 

 

Just curious if you had a certain age range of kid in mind.



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Samara (sp?) had kids.

 

I missed one.  So we're at two - Samara and Wynne.

 

But yeah, the Mass Effect franchise has had as many parents as Protheans.  And the Dragon Age franchise has had as many gods as parents.  It's just odd to me.

 

Like full grown kids, teenage kids, kid kids, newborns? 

 

Just curious if you had a certain age range of kid in mind.

 

I dunno.  It's just an incredibly common aspect of the human experience that's rife with story potential and it's completely overlooked by most BW writers.  I know that much of that has to do with their relative age (video game writers tend to be young), and the fact that many of them don't have children.  But it's still massively overlooked, especially as entire generations of video game players get older and have kids of their own.

 

One of the most memorable aspects of the ME franchise was the genophage storyline.  It seems like a missed opportunity to not have a companion with children of their own to operate as a mirror or foil that adds weight to Wrex's (or Wreav's) quest.  Lots of meaty dialogue opportunities.

 

 

Not really related, I also miss companions bickering.  I think that's my favorite.



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Give me an obssesive Yandere.


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Give me an obssesive Yandere.

 

Bwagh. Don't allow anything that is described in some of these japanese Anime-Terms.



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Bwagh. Don't allow anything that is described in some of these japanese Anime-Terms.


But there are bioware companions that fit those Japanese anime terms :P.

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But there are bioware companions that fit those Japanese anime terms :P.

 

Which is a damn Shame!



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I missed one.  So we're at two - Samara and Wynne.

 

And Thane. 

 

Then Morrigan and Alistair can both become parents.



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Bwagh. Don't allow anything that is described in some of these japanese Anime-Terms.

 

Those terms just describe personalities. You could try to describe them in English if you want. But for something like "yandere" or "tsundere" there's not direct word-to-word translation in English, so you'd have to use multiple words. It doesn't mean that people and characters with those personalities don't exist.

 

Why so Japanophobic?



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And Thane. 

 

Then Morrigan and Alistair can both become parents.

 

Bah, the Thane example is the entire reason I got thinking about this years ago, and I can't believe I forgot to list him.

 

I've always been fond of L'Etoile's characters because I found them to be more... adult, and have a lot more nuance and subtlety.  So it never surprised me that he actually incorporated a common sense of parenthood into a character mission.  Samara's mission also involved parenthood, but the mission of "I need you to help me kill my daughter who's a mythological terror" has less... applicability.

 

Still, all of those characters have had adult children.  It might be interesting to have a character who has a younger dependent.  Perhaps a former merc turned refugee?  I dunno.  It was just a thought.  There are obviously other things I'd like to see explored too.


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Those terms just describe personalities. You could try to describe them in English if you want. But for something like "yandere" or "tsundere" there's not direct word-to-word translation in English, so you'd have to use multiple words. It doesn't mean that people and characters with those personalities don't exist.

 

Why so Japanophobic?

 

I find many storytelling Devices in Anime to be grating and annoying, especially those overdone Personality Clichees like these "-dere" Persons for Example. That is why I am weary of Cries for something that is just that. Of course, those are just Part of the Problem and I have many Things more I generally Dislike in most Anime, but that's not this Topic.



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Still, all of those characters have had adult children.  It might be interesting to have a character who has a younger dependent.  Perhaps a former merc turned refugee?  I dunno.  It was just a thought.  There are obviously other things I'd like to see explored too.

 

Me, too :) I actually love parent characters.


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Loghain is a parent too [/pedantry pile-on]

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Loghain is a parent too [/pedantry pile-on]

 

Technically, sure.  But Loghain's status as a companion is different and we both realize that.

 

As for the previous example of Alistair and Morrigan, the possibility exists for both only after being companions, not while.



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Pffft next you'll be saying you don't count the Human Warden Noble's mother as a parent companion. Or Ser Jory, who has an unborn child.
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Pffft next you'll be saying you don't count the Human Warden Noble's mother as a parent companion. Or Ser Jory, who has an unborn child.

 

Haha, I never remember what Jory said.  I was always too distracted by his clearly undiagnosed jaundice.



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Ohh know what could be cute, an asari and her dad, both as companions. So like an asari and krogan or human or turian... if one of the latter two races, the dad character would be rather old. Not to promote ageism or anything, but not sure he would be viable for combat?? I'm not 100% on asari ages and maturity. I know Liara was 109 and basically the equivalent of like a 20 year old. (She was doing graduate work [I think] and considered very young for it.)

 

EDIT: Or batarian dad??



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Squad mate who is married to an NPC on the ship and has a child. My vote for the kids age would be between baby and and young teen. Between mission could see them hanging out as a family or see the kid playing by themselves while their parents work. Maybe add a little more on top of it and could pick up little gifts for the kid if you wanted too, like collecting the model ships, utterly optional.

 

yes I really really want a married squad mate



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But there are bioware companions that fit those Japanese anime terms :P.

 

No, there are none. 



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-A utilitarian moralist.

 

In most Bioware games, the 'good' characters, the ones who openly let morality guide them and chide the player on ethics, are almost invariably empathy-based immediate-consequentialists (with a touch of deontologist). I'd like to see a 'greater good' moralist- someone who judges and chides the player not on the immediate impacts, but on expected consequences and greater good issues: the sort who would certainly approve of saving someone, but lambast the player for things like letting Balak get away.

 

Paragon-ism was dealt with a remarkably soft hand and generally treated as the 'unquestionably moral' avenue. I'd like a companion who can soundly challenge the ethics of being too nice.

 

Garrus? In all three games he talks about long term priorities which lead to renegade decisions in game, ME1-find and kill Dr. Heart, Garrus wanted to kill him along with hostages back on citadel because he knew they were doomed anyway(and you get to do the same by shooting capturing and killing/capturing batarian terrorist in Bring Down The Sky), but C-Sec did not approve. In ME2 he starts a full on vigilante group that hunts combats organized crime in the place where crime is the only organized thing - Omega and then hunts down and kills the teammate that betrayed him and his team. In the third game he advices turrian command to stop attacking, abandon people on reaper controlled colonies and concentrate on defense of the ones that are still contested. You just have to support him in these choices instead of being all paragon and "you are not a murderer!". 

 

Would have been interesting to see this kind of Krogan, in all ME games they are extremely uniform and seem to live by some tribal code of honour, every Krogan seems to think the same way except for some traditional tribal matters which alter only their internal structure but most of the time matter little on the galactic scale, Krogan that works towards greater good and has some kind of Agape for everyone out there, no matter the race or clan while still having that silly desire to just smash and kill things would have been interesting and unusual. 



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Strong silent types. No moral degenerates.

 

No 'effeminate' morality. Not from squadmates, and sure as hell not from the protagonist.

 

 

Babypuncher, THIS IS B.S.N.

 

where would Bioware games that doesn't have Moral Degenerates like me or Effeminate Morality like you?

 

 

Yes I am the strong silent sexy type.



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I'd really like them attempt to write a salarian character who doesn't fit into a traditional archetype. Most salarians we've met are doctors, scientists, engineers, businessmen, diplomats - doing mentally demanding work, often technical and convoluted in nature, which doesn't require brute strength (they're basically a race of nerds). Mordin was a really detailed, and successful exploration of a character who played to type. I'd like to see a similar approach of a salarian character who doesn't fit the mould - or explores a different one. Perhaps a female salarian who couldn't - or wouldn't - have children, and ran from her homeworld, doing merc work instead?

 

I'd also love to see another prothean character (it's quite possible that protheans travelled over to Andromeda too) - although it'd be difficult to top Javik.  

 

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Then he wouldn't be a Solarian.

 

Bull was played totally out of a Qunari's ethos... which made him un-Qunari in my eyes.... he was a human in a Quanri monkey suit.

 

I just parked him and played the others.

 

So, in this case I disagree with the idea.



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Then he wouldn't be a Solarian.

 

So Kirrahe wasn't a Solarian Salarian?


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Garrus? In all three games he talks about long term priorities which lead to renegade decisions in game, ME1-find and kill Dr. Heart, Garrus wanted to kill him along with hostages back on citadel because he knew they were doomed anyway(and you get to do the same by shooting capturing and killing/capturing batarian terrorist in Bring Down The Sky), but C-Sec did not approve. In ME2 he starts a full on vigilante group that hunts combats organized crime in the place where crime is the only organized thing - Omega and then hunts down and kills the teammate that betrayed him and his team. In the third game he advices turrian command to stop attacking, abandon people on reaper controlled colonies and concentrate on defense of the ones that are still contested. You just have to support him in these choices instead of being all paragon and "you are not a murderer!".


He never really criticizes the protagonist.

Vivienne just gave my Inquisitor a rather utilitarian lecture on why free Mages are a bad idea, though.

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As far as personality traits go, I'd like to avoid sycophantic always-supportive types who are supposed to be canonical buddies. ME was a bit of a worse offender, between Liara and Tali and Garrus, and that's on top of the general hero worship from the sympathetic cast.

 

I'm also getting tired of deadpan snarker- they're good occasionally, but they seem to creep more and more into every Bioware character until they've infected half the cast for the sake of in-jokes and witty one-liners. Let's get more sass and tear-downs like Vivienne.

 

I'm also tired of 'dark and edgier' characters being either outright woobies (Jack), or the 'grizzled nigh-amoral veterans' like Zaeed, Wrex, and even (somehow) Grunt.

 

 

I suppose some things I'd like to see...

 

-A utilitarian moralist.

 

In most Bioware games, the 'good' characters, the ones who openly let morality guide them and chide the player on ethics, are almost invariably empathy-based immediate-consequentialists (with a touch of deontologist). I'd like to see a 'greater good' moralist- someone who judges and chides the player not on the immediate impacts, but on expected consequences and greater good issues: the sort who would certainly approve of saving someone, but lambast the player for things like letting Balak get away.

 

Paragon-ism was dealt with a remarkably soft hand and generally treated as the 'unquestionably moral' avenue. I'd like a companion who can soundly challenge the ethics of being too nice.

 

Continuing on this thought, another character as a foil/contrast to the utilitarian moralist-

 

A cost-aware deontologist. Or, in other words- 'morality is worth other people dying for.'

 

In most Bioware games, deontologists (the idea that ethics are inherent in the action, not the consequence: the ends don't justify the means) are paraded with the paragon ideology and pretty much never address or are forced to address the (potential) consequences of their choices. Shepard can go 'I won't let fear compromise who I am' because, hypocritical counter-examples aside, Paragonism never actually fails. Consequentialism in Mass Effect, despite being rhetorically supported by the Renegade, often supports the Paragon because of meta-gaming knowledge that Paragon options routinely offer the 'best' results with the most lives saved. Let Balak go to save a dozen workers, and the terrorist who tried to kill millions is never indicated to have killed any other humans. Players (and companions) get to focus on lives saved, and don't really dwell on costs risked or incurred.

 

I'd really like that sanctimonious 'morality of the moment' to give way to someone who is aware and dwells on consequences... but chooses non-consequentialist morality anyway. Rather than fair-weather deontologists who are really ambivalent consequentialists (they prefer the right thing, but go along with consequence-driven actions whenever obvious or immediate enough), someone who would take deontology to it's logical conclusion: not just being willing to self-sacrifice, but being willing to sacrifice others as a consequence of moral actions.

 

This isn't, to be clear, fanaticism or zealotry in which the suffering of others is cast as being a moral obligation. This isn't even a hypocritical 'I'd sacrifice others but not myself.' This is action-based morality even with the acknowledgement of negative consequences that may, can, and do result, on the basis that the consequences born by others doesn't change the morality of the act... even if the character grieves and mournes for the losses.

 

Such a character wouldn't necessarily be popular. They'd probably be hated by the people who find them immoral. But they'd be a good foil for the occasionally sanctimonious aspects of paragonism, which I think is called for in a ME reboot, just as the consequentialist moralist would be a good change for the 'morality-driven' archetypes.


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#100
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Those terms just describe personalities. You could try to describe them in English if you want. But for something like "yandere" or "tsundere" there's not direct word-to-word translation in English, so you'd have to use multiple words. It doesn't mean that people and characters with those personalities don't exist.

 

Why so Japanophobic?

Its not Japanophobic. I hated Kai Leng and Kasumi for their over the top anime style, posing and argh....  :angry:

Never again please

 

 

Did I mention I hate anime?