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[jones81381]

So um... what's the point in lying and giving her a normal wyvern heart? Dude dies either way and she doesn't seem to know one way or another if you give her a normal heart instead of the special one she wanted. 

[NoForgiveness]

I thought she would figure it out and get pissed? Mmm.. tricking her for no real reason doesn't make alot of sense anyway.

[Lazarillo]

The Keep doesn't even acknowledge it.  It's either "you gave her what she wanted" or "you didn't do the mission at all", basically.  I figure the main reason to do it, in game, is "punishing" her for the fact that she won't tell you the details (and all you know is she's trying to make some sort of longevity potion, if you dig through her notes, which you'd probably assume she's going to use on herself, so you don't trust her, I guess?).

[jones81381]

The Keep doesn't even acknowledge it.  It's either "you gave her what she wanted" or "you didn't do the mission at all", basically.  I figure the main reason to do it, in game, is "punishing" her for the fact that she won't tell you the details (and all you know is she's trying to make some sort of longevity potion, if you dig through her notes, which you'd probably assume she's going to use on herself, so you don't trust her, I guess?).

 

That was pretty much it. I read the notes and didn't trust her so I gave her the normal heart instead of the snowy one just to see what would happen. Dude died, she didn't know I had duped her, no harm no foul. So then I reloaded and gave her the right one and lo and behold, dude died anyway.

[Dai Grepher]

She confronts you angrily about it if you give her the normal one.

 

I think a lot of this quest is mysterious and left to interpretation. Personally, I think she was testing you.

 

1. She won't tell you what it's for. She wants to see if you will help her without questioning her on it.

 

2. She leaves the book about the potion lying out to see if you will read it.

 

3. The book could be true or false.

 

4. Bastian is dead either way, so at this point he is just Vivienne's test subject. If he awakes and speaks, then the potion is genuine. If he only dies, then the heart was not from a snowy wyvern.

 

5. Based on the above result, she knows if you gave her the right heart or the wrong one and confronts you if you gave her the wrong one to find out if you are nefarious or just incompetent.

 

6. It is possible that the potion does indeed grant youth. Bastian awakening could be what it does to those near death and in a coma. Or it's possible that there is an unmentioned part of the spell. Perhaps it's like the Fountain of Youth in Pirates of the Caribbean where one person must die so the other can have youth. So having Bastian drink first and then die is the final step in completing the potion, and now Vivienne can drink and gain some youth. This would explain why the Keep only bothers to ask if you gave Vivienne the snowy wyvern heart or not.

 

If the above is true, then Vivienne has discerned this about my Inquisitor: He is a friend who will agree to help without pressing the issue or prying directly, but he is also curious and bold enough to research what he is facilitating by looking through the book. He is tolerant of this sort of magic, as he followed through on the request and did indeed turn over the correct heart. He was with me when I went to Bastian's side and showed sympathy for my loss. The Inquisitor is a loyal and honest friend whom I can depend on even when the situation is dangerous and there is no guarantee of a reward. But he is also wise enough to not trust blindly and will learn about whatever situation he is getting himself in to before engaging.

 

So I actually like this personal quest.

[FKA_Servo]

I thought she would figure it out and get pissed? Mmm.. tricking her for no real reason doesn't make alot of sense anyway.

 

I never saw the outcome if you give her the wrong heart... but that said, even choices with no real consequences or ramifications down the line still have RP value. You still need to decide, in character, how to approach any given situation, and you'll rarely know if anything's actually going to matter.

 

Half the stuff you do in DAO has no bearing in that game or beyond, but it's important in determining what sort of person your warden is.

[MidnightWolf]

She confronts you angrily about it if you give her the normal one.
 
I think a lot of this quest is mysterious and left to interpretation. Personally, I think she was testing you.
 
1. She won't tell you what it's for. She wants to see if you will help her without questioning her on it.
 
2. She leaves the book about the potion lying out to see if you will read it.
 
3. The book could be true or false.
 
4. Bastian is dead either way, so at this point he is just Vivienne's test subject. If he awakes and speaks, then the potion is genuine. If he only dies, then the heart was not from a snowy wyvern.
 
5. Based on the above result, she knows if you gave her the right heart or the wrong one and confronts you if you gave her the wrong one to find out if you are nefarious or just incompetent.
 
6. It is possible that the potion does indeed grant youth. Bastian awakening could be what it does to those near death and in a coma. Or it's possible that there is an unmentioned part of the spell. Perhaps it's like the Fountain of Youth in Pirates of the Caribbean where one person must die so the other can have youth. So having Bastian drink first and then die is the final step in completing the potion, and now Vivienne can drink and gain some youth. This would explain why the Keep only bothers to ask if you gave Vivienne the snowy wyvern heart or not.
 
If the above is true, then Vivienne has discerned this about my Inquisitor: He is a friend who will agree to help without pressing the issue or prying directly, but he is also curious and bold enough to research what he is facilitating by looking through the book. He is tolerant of this sort of magic, as he followed through on the request and did indeed turn over the correct heart. He was with me when I went to Bastian's side and showed sympathy for my loss. The Inquisitor is a loyal and honest friend whom I can depend on even when the situation is dangerous and there is no guarantee of a reward. But he is also wise enough to not trust blindly and will learn about whatever situation he is getting himself in to before engaging.
 
So I actually like this personal quest.

This.
Tis possible also that the 'Spell' she left lying around for you to find, is merely a ruse, and she's actually using the Heart for something else?
As you say Bastian is in a Coma for reasons unknown. Perhaps she needs the heart to bring him out of it, and/or cure him of whatever is wrong with him?.....

[Cz-99]

Yeah, that personal quest was pretty whack.

[Dai Grepher]

This.
Tis possible also that the 'Spell' she left lying around for you to find, is merely a ruse, and she's actually using the Heart for something else?
As you say Bastian is in a Coma for reasons unknown. Perhaps she needs the heart to bring him out of it, and/or cure him of whatever is wrong with him?.....

 

Right, the book's recipe could have been made up by Vivienne just to see if you would go along with it or give her a common wyvern heart by mistake or by sinister intent. In which case she would make you "pay" by pretending that your choice killed a man.

[Boost32]

The in game files about Bastien says his mistress Odette (Vivienne's name before the writers changed it) wanted to make a youth potion to help him, the potion works but he still die.
So there is no ulterior motive behind the quest, it is as it appears.

[MidnightWolf]

The in game files about Bastien says his mistress Odette (Vivienne's name before the writers changed it) wanted to make a youth potion to help him, the potion works but he still die.
So there is no ulterior motive behind the quest, it is as it appears.

Game files say a lot of things which turn out not to be true. Like Alistair in Origins being in his thirties. Or Leliana only being in a twenty something's.
Viv is not the type of person to leave evidence of her true intentions lying around.

[jones81381]

The in game files about Bastien says his mistress Odette (Vivienne's name before the writers changed it) wanted to make a youth potion to help him, the potion works but he still die.
So there is no ulterior motive behind the quest, it is as it appears.

 

Vivienne's original name was Odette? Damn they shouldn't have changed it. That's a good name.

[Dai Grepher]

Gaider says dev notes mean squat. And though I don't regard Gaider's word as anything when it comes to storyline, I believe he knows what he's talking about when he gives us insight into the production process. The dev notes only give the animators and voice actors pointers on how to craft the scenes.

[Dabrikishaw]

So um... what's the point in lying and giving her a normal wyvern heart? Dude dies either way and she doesn't seem to know one way or another if you give her a normal heart instead of the special one she wanted. 

When I finally got around to doing this, Vivienne said something about how "unexpectedly cunning" it was. One of the responses I gave to her had Vivienne say that while she expected betrayal, she didn't anticipate any sabotage from the Inquisitor. 

 

What I get from this is the point was to outplay her in a way. She underestimated the Inquisitor and it backfired on her. It's not a big setback, but it's something she'd have to take into consideration when dealing with them in the future. 

[Boost32]

Game files say a lot of things which turn out not to be true. Like Alistair in Origins being in his thirties. Or Leliana only being in a twenty something's.
Viv is not the type of person to leave evidence of her true intentions lying around.

With the exception it says everything that happened, yet ofc its wrong because Vivienne is a liar I'm right?

[MidnightWolf]

With the exception it says everything that happened, yet ofc its wrong because Vivienne is a liar I'm right?

Don't bother trying to bait me. I've better things to do than argue with you.

[Boost32]

Don't bother trying to bait me. I've better things to do than argue with you.

Dont worry, I already said what I had to say.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

In WoT2 it was said that seers use wyvern blood for their predictions. That might be what she uses it for and maybe extending her youth is a side benefit. Either way, as others have said, she does confront you if you give her the ordinary wyvern heart.

[jones81381]

Weird. I imagined she'd say something then and there if he died and she knew I had given her the wrong heart. Oh well.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Weird. I imagined she'd say something then and there if he died and she knew I had given her the wrong heart. Oh well.

You have to talk to her after the whole Bastien thing is complete and then she confronts you.

[Dean_the_Young]

Game files say a lot of things which turn out not to be true. Like Alistair in Origins being in his thirties. Or Leliana only being in a twenty something's.
Viv is not the type of person to leave evidence of her true intentions lying around.

 

Why not? After all, she'll outright tell you what she'd do with political power if you ask, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with her politics- and lo and behold, she does exactly that.

 

Viv is manipulative, but there's not much support that she's particularly deceitful.

[Potato Cat]

Vivienne's original name was Odette? Damn they shouldn't have changed it. That's a good name.

I like it too, but iirc, it's some pretty horrible slang in Spanish.

[jones81381]

I like it too, but iirc, it's some pretty horrible slang in Spanish.

 

Oh...

[Dutch's Ghost]

I disliked the quest. Mostly because after Viv creates her potion, you haul ass to Val Royeaux to see Bastian and then haul ass back to Skyhold for the dialogue. It's just impractical. All of the quests in this game were impractical.