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The issue I am trying to explain, is someone had to have less options due to wanting to add romances. The complaints have very little to do with the dissapointment. I get why guys were dissapointed. Many of us can empathize with the disappointment and have said so on many occasions. We also don't think you guys deserve to have less (and neither did Allan).

 

I don't fully agree with that it would just take a lot more effort but it isn't a necessity to be balanced of course as the main purpose of the game isn't romance. But it could be balance it just is not the focus of Bioware. (Which is understandable, I'd rather have resources focused on more story arcs, better all round gameplay and world assets than making another romance option). 

 

I think that it's funny of you to write the second line that I highlighted Whenever a straight male says something [nowadays] he is automatically entitled because as I mentioned before, he had it great before so how dare he complain! The sad thing that a lot of people do not seem to realise is that people are willing to and do punish straight males in society and think it is justice because of the past. How can you honestly say that someone comments that "If they were to choose someone to give less to it would be straight males. How would you not think that the same deserves to have less?" 

 

 

 

The point is that straight guys so often have extra that when extra time came along, they decided why not give it to someone else? There will be times when someone has extra, nearly all their games have an extra romance for someone. And due to a certain logic, it always went to straight men.

 

I understand where you are coming from it would definitely happen. In terms of Dragon Age the last two games have favoured females.Which honestly did not matter to me as I was ok with the options I had as a straight male.

 

Well it's understandable from a business point of view. Straight males most likely make up most of the sales. In this case the certain logic = business sense. When you make a product you cater to your target audience.

 

 

As for the last couple of paragraphs. 

 

I understand you are using general terms however you can't and should not lump everyone in the same category and say "you" think and "you" do. You do not know my feelings and views on every situation, now I will try to explain some of my views. 

 

Honestly when the news came out about the LI's I was disappointed about the options that I had available and my response was not take away from females or that I should have 20. I looked at the infamous LI chart and wanted EVERYONE (save females since they were in the lead so to speak) to get more. I was more concerned with equality not justice. However as I saw on the forums a lot of people were more concerned with justice. It was not until I started to see the responses of others on the forums (females, LGBT and Allan) that the thought that it could be a punishment to straight males came to mind. When Allan made his statement is when it hit home.

 

So is it fair to say it's entitlement when people believe that if someone should be given the short end of the stick it's straight males because justice? That people are ok or willing for them to be punished? It means that it could possibly be punishment because of past trends and that straight males should not complain about it? 

 

My point is using the past (which straight males had no control over mind you since it was the design of the company not us) to say "Hey this time we'll give you [straight males] less if the choice comes up!" is ludicrous. What to me is more childish is "I suffered before so now you must suffer!" 

 

To answer your last question directly, I would not be happy that anyone has less options. I would want everyone to have the best experience possible. What you should be mindful of in future discussions as well, is that not everything is entitlement. And that you should look at how people react to straight males voicing anything currently. 


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As a straight male gamer I got the same number of choices as everybody else - unfair.


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As a Heteronomerous lesbian Pokemonsexual of the super duper Saiyan race, I got nothing. Totally unfair.


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As a Heteronomerous lesbian Pokemonsexual of the super duper Saiyan race, I got nothing. Totally unfair.

 

Can't argue with that.



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My god how did we get here?

 

 

Again Dragon age isn't a dating sim..

And really Sera? Eww

 

Hey! Dating sims are the highest tier of RPGs.

 

 

 

Player choices matter? Check.

 

Player agency in high frequency to determine and effect game content? Check.

 

Significant support cast of characters intended to be interesting and desirable to spend time with? Check.

 

Character approval systems and dedicated character development arcs? Check.

 

(Total refuge for nerds? Check.)


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Well, this is difficult to fix for you as you gave personality reasons as to why you didn't like the two romances available. It could have easily been the case that straight males got 2 extra, and neither of those would have suited you either. Extra doesn't always guarantee that your going to like any of them. Garrus was a saving grace in the ME series, otherwise I doubt I would have played any of the romances. Nor did I romance anyone in DA:O. That's the problem, some folk like different things and it can vary widely. You aren't always going to go into a game and find all the options suitable to you, or perhaps any of them. However, when you then generalise your preference to everyone of your gender and orientation, it becomes iffy. 

 

I mean, they could have added mother Giselle and Threnn the Quatermaster as LI's. Not nescessarily suitable for you either. (Though, thinking on it, Threnn might have been an awesome romance. Maybe even have a threesome with Loghain if he's in your world state.)


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 I mean, they could have added mother Giselle and Threnn the Quatermaster as LI's. Not nescessarily suitable for you either. (Though, thinking on it, Threnn might have been an awesome romance. Maybe even have a threesome with Loghain if he's in your world state.)


I would have romanced Mother Giselle she was cool .

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I mean, they could have added mother Giselle and Threnn the Quatermaster as LI's. Not nescessarily suitable for you either. (Though, thinking on it, Threnn might have been an awesome romance. Maybe even have a threesome with Loghain if he's in your world state.)

 

How about the surgeon? A moonlight autopsy, just for two?



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DA needs some appealing black ladies. Vivienne with her bald head looks like an African bush-woman, what, I guess, isn't very appealing for the majority of male players. Somebody like e.g. Brooks in the Citadel DLC of ME 3 would be better.

African fashion magazines must be hiring bush women because many models have been photographed with hair like that. 



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Wow. 10 pages.

 

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Cassandra's Romance is the superior option for straight Male Characters it had better scenes as well as she could adventure with you and she has Unique Romance Banter.

Josiephine on the other hand is too Disney Princess for my liking I swear the whole time I did her Romance I was expecting her to burst into Song I loved her Character but as a LI she's unappealing.

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Cassandra's Romance is the superior option for straight Male Characters it had better scenes as well as she could adventure with you and she has Unique Romance Banter.

Josiephine on the other hand is too Disney Princess for my liking I swear the whole time I did her Romance I was expecting her to burst into Song I loved her Character but as a LI she's unappealing.

 

Straight male? Don't you mean gay? :huh:


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Straight male? Don't you mean gay? :huh:

Nope Donk you cunning shrew I won't take your bait lol.

Seriously though its all a matter of perspective I myself think Cassandra/Dorian are the best LIs for Male Characters.
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Nope Donk you cunning shrew I won't take your bait lol.

Seriously though its all a matter of perspective I myself think Cassandra/Dorian are the best LIs for Male Characters.

 

I don't mean it, you know. Truthfully I don't see how Cassandra looks like a man.. I've seen her boobs. And everyone with eyes has seen her crotch.. she isn't sporting anything dangly there. It's just a long running, amusing inside joke in these forums now, thanks to a certain famous troll. ;)



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It's less about it being okay for straight males to get less options because every other demographic has gotten less in the past.  It's more about the fact that every other demographic has gotten less in the past and been told to deal with it because 'it's not a dating sim'.  And, yes, there were always complaints about it, but the sheer number of threads decrying the injustice for straight males is telling to some capacity. 

Really? Are you going to present some data comparing the number of threads and complaints in the previous cases with the ones by straight males for DA:I or you just felt like making a baselsss statement?



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Again Dragon age isn't a dating sim..

 

>not dating sim

>has Cullen x Amell reunion in DA4. in their signature

 

Seriously, why the heck people keep saying this? In the witcher forums, people were always talking about romancing the ladies but I didn't see anyone saying "Witcher is not dating sim".

Jesus Christ.

 

People will always talk about romances since the game has them. Romances are a part of the game, if they weren't then we wouldn't talk about romances in first place. It's the exact same thing as those people who talk about weapons, clothes, game style, MP etc. Also, they're optional. You don't want to romance someone? Then don't.


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Well first off,the Witcher doesn't escape accusations of being a sex fantasy for men, secondly its romances are given far less attention both by its fans, devs, and in the game. This comes partly from Geralt having a canonical love interest.

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BioWare didn't tailor the romance sub-plots in a video game to suit your personal sexual tastes? Sounds like an excuse to bring out the old chestnut...

 

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Now now Elcor be nice, this stuff is very important. Or something. 


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>not dating sim
>has Cullen x Amell reunion in DA4. in their signature

Seriously, why the heck people keep saying this? In the witcher forums, people were always talking about romancing the ladies but I didn't see anyone saying "Witcher is not dating sim".
Jesus Christ.

People will always talk about romances since the game has them. Romances are a part of the game, if they weren't then we wouldn't talk about romances in first place. It's the exact same thing as those people who talk about weapons, clothes, game style, MP etc. Also, they're optional. You don't want to romance someone? Then don't.

I logged back in after browsing, specifically to tell you that you have cheered me up. My ribs are nearly broken from laughter in reference to the first part of your post.. Thanks heaps :lol:
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I love how people are running with the misinterpretation that I was complaining about the number of choices instead of the choices themselves. I've played all the mass effects and all the dragon ages (didn't play through all of 2 though, stinker) and have never had an issue with only having 2 romance options for a straight male character because I've always liked at least one of the options, but I don't particularly care for either option in this game. That's the complaint. Not that straight males needed "more" options per se, but that the options we do have are unappealing to me. I think it's made worse by the cockteasing with Harding, whom I do like, because we can flirt our asses off with her but it never actually develops. In my opinion, Cassandra should have been unromanceable, preferring to focus on her duties as a seeker and potential new devine, Josephine should have been male only, Harding should have been fully romanceable as male only and Sera should have been available to males and females. That way straight males would have a choice between frilly girly girl Josephine, normal, average lady Harding, or wild and crazy Sera. 


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I love how people are running with the misinterpretation that I was complaining about the number of choices instead of the choices themselves. I've played all the mass effects and all the dragon ages (didn't play through all of 2 though, stinker) and have never had an issue with only having 2 romance options for a straight male character because I've always liked at least one of the options, but I don't particularly care for either option in this game. That's the complaint.


That's unfortunate and can't be helped. Some people didn't like choosing between naive blood mage Merrill and promiscuous, selfish Isabella. Or between goody two shoes, religious Leliana and cold, b***** Morrigan. There's no pleasing everybody.

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I love how people are running with the misinterpretation that I was complaining about the number of choices instead of the choices themselves. I've played all the mass effects and all the dragon ages (didn't play through all of 2 though, stinker) and have never had an issue with only having 2 romance options for a straight male character because I've always liked at least one of the options, but I don't particularly care for either option in this game. That's the complaint. Not that straight males needed "more" options per se, but that the options we do have are unappealing to me. I think it's made worse by the cockteasing with Harding, whom I do like, because we can flirt our asses off with her but it never actually develops. In my opinion, Cassandra should have been unromanceable, preferring to focus on her duties as a seeker and potential new devine, Josephine should have been male only, Harding should have been fully romanceable as male only and Sera should have been available to males and females. That way straight males would have a choice between frilly girly girl Josephine, normal, average lady Harding, or wild and crazy Sera. 

I've misinterpreted nothing i just basically dont care u find the options available to you less than desirable, thats called "tough sh!t", grow up n deal with it


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Just another reason EAware needs to cut romances out.



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Just another reason EAware needs to cut romances out.

 

Why did you need to remind me of that terribad tv show?  :sick:



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I love how people are running with the misinterpretation that I was complaining about the number of choices instead of the choices themselves. I've played all the mass effects and all the dragon ages (didn't play through all of 2 though, stinker) and have never had an issue with only having 2 romance options for a straight male character because I've always liked at least one of the options, but I don't particularly care for either option in this game. That's the complaint. Not that straight males needed "more" options per se, but that the options we do have are unappealing to me. I think it's made worse by the cockteasing with Harding, whom I do like, because we can flirt our asses off with her but it never actually develops. In my opinion, Cassandra should have been unromanceable, preferring to focus on her duties as a seeker and potential new devine, Josephine should have been male only, Harding should have been fully romanceable as male only and Sera should have been available to males and females. That way straight males would have a choice between frilly girly girl Josephine, normal, average lady Harding, or wild and crazy Sera. 

 

Perhaps the reason why people are 'running with the misinterpretation' is because you specifically end the OP with a request to have "more options" in the next game.......

 

OP:

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I really hope next time around, assuming there's a DA4, we have more options. (also, give us dwarf romance options, damn it, male and female. I <3 dwarves)


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