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[Nefla]

Perhaps the reason why people are 'running with the misinterpretation' is because you specifically end the OP with a request to have "more options" in the next game.......

 

OP:

Not to mention that in this classy nugget a few posts up "Cassandra should have been unromanceable, preferring to focus on her duties as a seeker and potential new devine, Josephine should have been male only, Harding should have been fully romanceable as male only and Sera should have been available to males and females. That way straight males would have a choice between frilly girly girl Josephine, normal, average lady Harding, or wild and crazy Sera." He wants more straight male options AND he wants to take away lesbian options for no reason. Asking for straight males to get 3 romance options while lesbians get reduced to 1 single option (that straight men graciously share with them ) doesn't count as asking for more options, that's a misinterpretation! You see it's only unfair of someone OTHER than straight men get more options...

[trevelyan_shep]

Must be difficult being a straight male. Life must be treating you really badly, huh?

[WildOrchid]

In my opinion, Cassandra should have been unromanceable, preferring to focus on her duties as a seeker and potential new devine, Josephine should have been male only, Harding should have been fully romanceable as male only and Sera should have been available to males and females. That way straight males would have a choice between frilly girly girl Josephine, normal, average lady Harding, or wild and crazy Sera. 

 

Lolnope.

 

Also implying Scout Harding was a straight male only tease. Even lesbians wanted her. But she wasn't available so we dealt with it and moved on.

It's funny how some of you straight males still keep doing these threads.

 

You know what? I wanted Cass to be the bi/lesbian option in first time. But when she was announced as straight, I got kinda sad but I didn't make a million threads about that part and I didn't whine about how bioware doesn't "cater to my tastes" like some of you do. They will not please everyone because people have different tastes. A lot of people actually liked Cassandra, as surprising it might seem to you.

 

Why is that so hard to understand? Lesbians only had Josie and Sera, and gay men IB and Dorian. What if one or two of them weren't up to their tastes? Have you seen a lot of threads about how IB/Dorian/Josie/Sera weren't good LI's for them? It's always a "straight male" who also strongly implies he also speaks for all of straight males that make these kind of threads.

[JamieCOTC]

For some reason when I read OP in Donald Trump voice. (apologies). Anyway, I actually think Cassandra is hot and funny and her tone only adds to the enjoyment of the romance. I guess it's because I don't see the character as myself, but as a straight male gamer w/ an imagination I was able to romance several characters including Cassandra, Sera, Josephine, and Iron Bull and enjoy them quite a bit.

[jones81381]

Not to mention that in this classy nugget a few posts up "Cassandra should have been unromanceable, preferring to focus on her duties as a seeker and potential new devine, Josephine should have been male only, Harding should have been fully romanceable as male only and Sera should have been available to males and females. That way straight males would have a choice between frilly girly girl Josephine, normal, average lady Harding, or wild and crazy Sera." He wants more straight male options AND he wants to take away lesbian options for no reason. Asking for straight males to get 3 romance options while lesbians get reduced to 1 single option (that straight men graciously share with them ) doesn't count as asking for more options, that's a misinterpretation! You see it's only unfair of someone OTHER than straight men get more options...

 

Good job taking my statement about one particular romance set and assuming that's all I would change. The topic is straight male romances so that's all I mentioned. Of course I would replace Josephine as a lesbian option, Lelianna would be fine, I think. I could go through and rework the romance options for all standard sexualities. 

 

Straight males - Josephine, Sera, Harding, Vivienne

Straight females - Iron Bull, Cullen, Varric, Solas (no racial preference)

Gay males - Dorian, Blackwall, Cullen, Iron Bull

Lesbians - Sera, Lelianna, Josephine, Vivienne

 

So once I got into it it made sense for Josephine to go both ways, as well as Bull, Cullen, and Vivienne. 

 

How's that? 

[Illegitimus]

I love how people are running with the misinterpretation that I was complaining about the number of choices instead of the choices themselves. I've played all the mass effects and all the dragon ages (didn't play through all of 2 though, stinker) and have never had an issue with only having 2 romance options for a straight male character because I've always liked at least one of the options, but I don't particularly care for either option in this game. That's the complaint. Not that straight males needed "more" options per se, but that the options we do have are unappealing to me. I think it's made worse by the cockteasing with Harding, whom I do like, because we can flirt our asses off with her but it never actually develops. In my opinion, Cassandra should have been unromanceable, preferring to focus on her duties as a seeker and potential new devine, Josephine should have been male only, Harding should have been fully romanceable as male only and Sera should have been available to males and females. That way straight males would have a choice between frilly girly girl Josephine, normal, average lady Harding, or wild and crazy Sera. 

 

Boy that gives short shrift to anyone who likes a bit of lesbian romance.  You know, Harding really isn't a practical romantic choice given that she's almost never in Skyhold and doesn't travel with you by the nature of her job.  

[jones81381]

Boy that gives short shrift to anyone who likes a bit of lesbian romance.  You know, Harding really isn't a practical romantic choice given that she's almost never in Skyhold and doesn't travel with you by the nature of her job.  

 

Harding is always in Skyhold when you are and since you can only talk to people and romance while there it doesn't matter that she can't go with you, Cullen doesn't go with you. Josephine doesn't go with you, yet they are options.

[BobZilla84]

Boy that gives short shrift to anyone who likes a bit of lesbian romance.  You know, Harding really isn't a practical romantic choice given that she's almost never in Skyhold and doesn't travel with you by the nature of her job.

Yeah except Lace is always outside The Tavern and by your standards Josie & Cullen aren't practical LI's considering they dont travel with you so yeah theres that.

[BobZilla84]

Harding is always in Skyhold when you are and since you can only talk to people and romance while there it doesn't matter that she can't go with you, Cullen doesn't go with you. Josephine doesn't go with you, yet they are options.

Yep beat me too it.

[Nefla]

Good job taking my statement about one particular romance set and assuming that's all I would change. The topic is straight male romances so that's all I mentioned. Of course I would replace Josephine as a lesbian option, Lelianna would be fine, I think. I could go through and rework the romance options for all standard sexualities. 

 

Straight males - Josephine, Sera, Harding, Vivienne

Straight females - Iron Bull, Cullen, Varric, Solas (no racial preference)

Gay males - Dorian, Blackwall, Cullen, Iron Bull

Lesbians - Sera, Lelianna, Josephine, Vivienne

 

So once I got into it it made sense for Josephine to go both ways, as well as Bull, Cullen, and Vivienne. 

 

How's that? 

I'm sure lesbian players are so thrilled that you decided to give their existing love interest Josephine back to them ooh and they get Vivienne too? Who cares that she's basically married right, and Leliana who could already be romantically involved with the warden? How thoughtful of you.

 

Seriously, not every single character in the game should be a romance option (though I guess I should give you credit for not adding Cole) and you have to consider which ones make sense as a romance option? Vivienne and Varric are already in established relationships, this should be a no brainer that they wouldn't be available. Leliana is also very possibly in a relationship with the warden. As far as you not liking the characters, well there's no way BioWare would have known when making the game "hey guys these characters wont appeal to this random guy on the internet as romance options so we should just scratch this idea." Even if they had, why would they tailor their characters to your specific tastes?

[jones81381]

I'm sure lesbian players are so thrilled that you decided to give their existing love interest Josephine back to them ooh and they get Vivienne too? Who cares that she's basically married right, and Leliana who could already be romantically involved with the warden? How thoughtful of you.

 

Seriously, not every single character in the game should be a romance option (though I guess I should give you credit for not adding Cole) and you have to consider which ones make sense as a romance option? Vivienne and Varric are already in established relationships, this should be a no brainer that they wouldn't be available. Leliana is also very possibly in a relationship with the warden. As far as you not liking the characters, well there's no way BioWare would have known when making the game "hey guys these characters wont appeal to this random guy on the internet as romance options so we should just scratch this idea." Even if they had, why would they tailor their characters to your specific tastes?

 

I didn't think about Leliana still being with the warden. He died in my cannon playthrough so it never occurred to me... fair point. But Vivienne's man died on her so she's single again and she clearly was in that relationship for power, at least in the beginning. No reason she wouldn't pair up with the Inquisitor for that same reason. As for Varric, I actually didn't know he was in a relationship. I never bothered to finish DA2 cause it blew and I've talked to him as much as I can thus far in DA:I and he hasn't told me he's involved, yet anyway.

[daveliam]

I didn't think about Leliana still being with the warden. He died in my cannon playthrough so it never occurred to me... fair point. But Vivienne's man died on her so she's single again and she clearly was in that relationship for power, at least in the beginning. No reason she wouldn't pair up with the Inquisitor for that same reason. As for Varric, I actually didn't know he was in a relationship. I never bothered to finish DA2 cause it blew and I've talked to him as much as I can thus far in DA:I and he hasn't told me he's involved, yet anyway.

 

I think it's important that not every character becomes a romance option.  Your list has every major character except Cassandra and Cole on it.  10 romances out of 12 characters is just too much.  Choice is great, but that's excessive.

 

Plus, it seems like you haven't even completed alot of the story arcs or thought in depth about character plots from other games.  It just doesn't make sense for any of the following characters to be an LI in DA: I:

 

* Leliana - She's potentially currently in a relationship with the HoF and was already a romance option in another game; why bother repeating options?

* Varric - He's currently in a relationship in both DA2 and DA: I.  He has no interest in the PC.

* Vivienne - She's in a serious long-term (at least 10+ year) relationship for the entire first half of the game; and she clearly loves Bastien.  The idea of her getting over him in the matter of a few weeks is preposterous

 

Frankly, I understand wanting Harding as an option, but I strongly suspect that she'll pop up in DA4 as a romanceable bisexual companion.  I think the flirting this game was a way to test the waters on well accepted a dwarf romance would be without having to commit all of the resources first.

[KaiserShep]

Must be difficult being a straight male. Life must be treating you really badly, huh?

Especially after many discovered that they comprised over 95% of AshleyMadison.com's user base.

[Uirebhiril]

To say nothing of really valid story reasons for Solas to be elf only, but since it seems the OP hasn't yet finished the game I'm going to let that one sit for now, because spoilers!  

[CuriousArtemis]

Not gonna lie, I like OP's new list, 4 options???????? :-O And mmmm, Cullen and Blackwall, yesssss

[Super Drone]

So, it's probably safe to assume that the devs are aware this is a re-occurring complaint. I wonder how they plan to incorporate it into their future plans. It wouldn't be feasible to try to address it in DA:I but you have to guess they'd want to try to avoid the same thing happening again in DA4...

[FiveThreeTen]

Seriously those threads. I didn't like any of my options either, my canon Inquisitor is single and I really enjoyed playing her. My canon SHepard is also a loner.

I liked all 4 options in Origins. If I'm being honest, I only liked (and loved!) Isabela in DA2. It happens.

 

But I guess I'm more used not being catered to?

 

* Vivienne - She's in a serious long-term (at least 10+ year) relationship for the entire first half of the game; and she clearly loves Bastien.  The idea of her getting over him in the matter of a few weeks is preposterous

I'll add that, according to WoT2, Vivienne met Bastien while Florian was still emperor, so it's a 20+ years relationship and their relationship was frown upon by the whole nobility, they had to repel assassination attempts just for being together. It only stopped when she became arcane advisor to Celene.

I feel it needed to be pointed out bc too often, people think Vivienne only was with her Duke for influence. And even prior to reading WoT, I didn't have this impression ingame?

[Wynterdust]

There's nothing wrong with the choices. If the choices aren't suited for you then surely the reasonable things to do are 1) Choose them on another character in a different playthrough or 2) Don't romance anyone. It isn't a necessity to romance a character.

[TammieAZ]

Good job taking my statement about one particular romance set and assuming that's all I would change. The topic is straight male romances so that's all I mentioned. Of course I would replace Josephine as a lesbian option, Lelianna would be fine, I think. I could go through and rework the romance options for all standard sexualities. 

 

Straight males - Josephine, Sera, Harding, Vivienne

Straight females - Iron Bull, Cullen, Varric, Solas (no racial preference)

Gay males - Dorian, Blackwall, Cullen, Iron Bull

Lesbians - Sera, Lelianna, Josephine, Vivienne

 

So once I got into it it made sense for Josephine to go both ways, as well as Bull, Cullen, and Vivienne. 

 

How's that? 

 

Please remove Cullen & Blackwall from the gay males list. Let's not Anders them thank you. 

[jones81381]

 

There's nothing wrong with the choices. If the choices aren't suited for you then surely the reasonable things to do are 1) Choose them on another character in a different playthrough or 2) Don't romance anyone. It isn't a necessity to romance a character.

 

Your reading comprehension astounds me. Everyone should strive to ignore parts of posts, just as you have done. Like I said, choosing not to romance anyone just because the only options are bad options isn't the same as choosing not to romance anyone from an RP perspective. I, the player, do not like Cassandra or Josephine as romance options. A different Inquisitor isn't going to change that.

 

 

Please remove Cullen & Blackwall from the gay males list. Let's not Anders them thank you. 

 

Yeah I'm not sure what you mean since I never finished DA2 but no, there's no reason that Cullen and Blackwall couldn't be bi. Hell, it's a pretty good explanation for why Blackwall always preferred to be alone, he felt unable to be himself even among his fellow Wardens. 

[thats1evildude]

 

Yeah I'm not sure what you mean since I never finished DA2 but no, there's no reason that Cullen and Blackwall couldn't be bi. Hell, it's a pretty good explanation for why Blackwall always preferred to be alone, he felt unable to be himself even among his fellow Wardens. 

 

"Unable to be himself?" The Wardens don't care who you sleep with.

 

Case in point: Julien and Nicholas from the Calling, who were both gay and in love. Granted, they didn't run around screaming "We're gay, gay, gay in a gay, gay way," but no one cared that they were together.

[Uirebhiril]

"Unable to be himself?" The Wardens don't care who you sleep with.

 

Most of Thedas doesn't either, outside nobility and only for heir and inheritance reasons. There's no real taboo to homosexuality or bisexuality beyond that.

[robertthebard]

...I'm tired of being the butt of everyone's jokes.


Sorry, this has been burning a hole in my brain for a while now, I had to do it...

[FemHawke FTW]

  It's always a "straight male" who also strongly implies he also speaks for all of straight males that make these kind of threads.

I love it when a fellow straight guy speaks for me by spewing a bunch of male privilege crap, really makes me proud of the level of male maturity that's considered normal for our hetero-normative society. *eyes rolling accompanied by Cassandra's disgusted noise*

[Flog the Undying]

Please remove Cullen & Blackwall from the gay males list. Let's not Anders them thank you. 

 

Cullen was originally intended to be a romance option for both, but was cut due to time constraints (Solas too), so if anything, they've been reverse Anders..ed.