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[Flurdt Vash]

Im a "Straight Male" as well, BUT with that being said, Im also a RPer (if thats even a word- maybe? screw it  ) any way, I have gay, straight, bi, None type characters, I always like to play a character, and let them show me who they are as a person, there likes, beliefs, hates etc. I blame years of D&D for this  . Okay, I got distracted, back to the point, I was a little let down by the romance options as well, and when I say let down I mean very very moderately, more like *sigh* whatever, okay over it.  . Honestly, I liked my cute little Dwarf Scout, but I understand Im not alone in this. All I can say, is just wait till next game, BioWare is amazing at giving us interesting characters, love them or hate them, they are all unique and (in my humble opinion) interesting. So heres to the future, Inquisition has been a wild ride, although not exactly over just yet, we see the ending approaching and Thedas just gets more and more amazing. Cant wait to meet even more interesting people. Love them or hate them. 

[SharpWalkers]

As a straight manchild, I'm fine with the romances - I love my Cassandra romance, it's adorable. Only thing I would've liked is, when given that extra development time, they'd add a Leliana romance (dependend on you DA:Keep choice) for men & women, instead of two only for straight women. 

[daveliam]

That's a little unfair, isn't it? Personally, I've had a lot of fun at on occasion role-playing characters that are different from me in one way or another, but all people can be interested or not interested in playing certain types of characters for any number of reasons. 

 

I mean I remember a thread somewhere on BSN where many LGBT people were talking about how they never interested in playing straight characters. Or in other cases it was awkward for people of playing a different gender.

 

And, given the choice, I imagine players of any ethnic group will often times try to make their characters look vaguely like themselves, even if they are playing non human races. 

 

It's hardly something that only applies to straight guys.

 

I can see how you interpreted it that way, but it wasn't my intention.  The example that I gave probably contributed to that.  I guess I should have added a second example going in the other direction as well.  It wasn't to single out straight guys.  In fact, I didn't mention guys at all in that comment.

 

But, to reiterate what I said in that post, I have no issues with people not wanting to play as a gay character.  It affects me in virtually no way.  I also have no issues with people not wanting to play as straight characters.  Again, what other people do in their games is not my business at all.  In fact, I refuse to play as a straight guy if there is any other option.

 

My point in that post was how people use the argument that amounts to, basically, "I couldn't ever play as a gay (or straight) character because I'm straight (or gay)." or "I couldn't ever play as a woman (or man) because I'm a man (or woman)", but then have no issues playing as a mage (which they also aren't in real life) or a dwarf/elf/qunari (which they also aren't in real life).  It was not a judgment on people using the argument, so much as musing at how their own gender/sexuality seem to be harder for some people to disregard when RPing.  That was more of my point.  Just an interesting observation, really.

[Yumakooma]

Just don't do any romances then? I find them the worst part of the dragon age games and just don't participate in them (I explored them in DAO, didn't like it, and the other two games I just didn't want to get involved with any of them).

 

I don't let my dislike of the romance aspect of the games stop my enjoyment, its easy to get on with enjoying games without a video game romance going on although some people do treat their romances as a crippling game breaking issue if it isn't perfect lol

[jtav]

Heh. I'm a straight woman who is romancing Josie because I have a strong preference for playing lower class characters and who dislikes Bull and Blackwall (I adore Cullen but haven't found a way to make Trevelyan or Lavellan real to me yet). So what does that make me?

[Nefla]

This?

 

And Cass had long hair.

Yeah, when she was like 15. I wore black lipstick and nail polish at that age, I'm far from the person I was back then.

[fizzypop]

As a queer woman I think Dorian has the finest ass in all of Thedas. You could chip a tooth on that ass.

[Dai Grepher]

I don't find Cassandra attractive, but my Inquisitor does. She just so happened to fit my character's background story. But I see the OP's point. Cassandra only fits a specific type of custom character, and this is because she's around 40 years old. The character should also share her faith, realistically.

 

As for David Gaider's post, I can see where he's coming from, but I don't think his arguments apply in this case. Again, the two romances for straight males are too restrictive. Cassandra is "old" by young people standards, and she is pious, which most young people are not. Josephine is responsible for her family's wellbeing, finances, and standing, which means she is expected to marry a specific type of man. And her bisexuality doesn't help matters either, because a lot of straight males don't want to be in a relationship with a bisexual female. There is sometimes the worry that the female will get bored with him and seek out another female, and there's no way the male can fulfill that desire in her. Plus, Josephine has no sex scene, which a lot of players don't like.

 

Finally I think many straight male players are upset because Sera had a good romance plot, but it was only available to female characters. I thought of romancing Sera back when Cassandra and Josephine looked butt-ugly, and then Sera was revealed to be a lesbian. So I had reserved my character to either brothels or abstinence. Then they fixed Cassandra's face enough.

[fizzypop]

lol if someone has an issue with Jo's bisexuality they need to take a sexuality 101 course. Women nor men are not so innate in their "womanness" or "manness" that bisexual women need both. I don't get why people think this. Sex with men and women isn't really different. You still do all the same stuff just in different orders and with different things.

I think men are more upset that they don't get hot digital porn. I gotta be honest if you only romance a character because of that you would have better luck not playing just watching hentai. They've got it all baby. You want to see Jo bare it all? They have it, its called google. Don't need it in a video game.

[Dai Grepher]

Sexuality has an educational course? I thought sexuality was different from person to person.

 

I think the theory goes that if a bisexual likes both sexes, then there is a desire in that bisexual that the one person they are with cannot fulfill, even if that bisexual has pledged to be faithful.

 

I would think that it would be vastly different, otherwise what's the point?

 

I doubt the lack of hot digital porn in the game is the concern, what with the existence of the Internets and all, as you point out.

 

Personally, while playing Origins, Morrigan and Leliana weren't a good match for my Cousland, but I didn't think much of it and I didn't mind. And then I got to talk to Anora, whom I was hoping my Cousland could get with and was thrilled to find out it could happen.  Then I was glad that didn't romance either Morrigan or Leliana. So having no good match isn't always a bad thing.

[AlanC9]

 As for David Gaider's post, I can see where he's coming from, but I don't think his arguments apply in this case. Again, the two romances for straight males are too restrictive. Cassandra is "old" by young people standards, and she is pious, which most young people are not. Josephine is responsible for her family's wellbeing, finances, and standing, which means she is expected to marry a specific type of man. And her bisexuality doesn't help matters either, because a lot of straight males don't want to be in a relationship with a bisexual female. There is sometimes the worry that the female will get bored with him and seek out another female, and there's no way the male can fulfill that desire in her. Plus, Josephine has no sex scene, which a lot of players don't like.
 

You've got a point about Cassie's age. Probably an over-reaction to all of the teenage girls they've thrown at us over the years. But was piety -- or bisexuality-- a deal-breaker with Leliana?

[Nomen Mendax]

I don't find Cassandra attractive, but my Inquisitor does. She just so happened to fit my character's background story. But I see the OP's point. Cassandra only fits a specific type of custom character, and this is because she's around 40 years old. The character should also share her faith, realistically.

 

As for David Gaider's post, I can see where he's coming from, but I don't think his arguments apply in this case. Again, the two romances for straight males are too restrictive. Cassandra is "old" by young people standards, and she is pious, which most young people are not. Josephine is responsible for her family's wellbeing, finances, and standing, which means she is expected to marry a specific type of man. And her bisexuality doesn't help matters either, because a lot of straight males don't want to be in a relationship with a bisexual female. There is sometimes the worry that the female will get bored with him and seek out another female, and there's no way the male can fulfill that desire in her. Plus, Josephine has no sex scene, which a lot of players don't like.

 

Finally I think many straight male players are upset because Sera had a good romance plot, but it was only available to female characters. I thought of romancing Sera back when Cassandra and Josephine looked butt-ugly, and then Sera was revealed to be a lesbian. So I had reserved my character to either brothels or abstinence. Then they fixed Cassandra's face enough.

I don't really understand your argument. There is no female character that is somehow less restrictive than the ones currently in the game. Whatever character they come up with we could list their characteristics and claim that we don't want to romance them. 

 

She's a twenty year old blond who likes to party a lot, has no family attachments and likes unicorns. My mage is in his thirties and is looking for a stable relationship with someone who is serious ...

 

I'm not going to repeat what DG said, but it really does seem to apply to what you are saying. I preferred Leliana's romance in DAO to any of the romances in DA2 or DAI - but that's just a personal preference that doesn't say anything about the romances in general.

[SharpWalkers]

Finally I think many straight male players are upset because Sera had a good romance plot, but it was only available to female characters. I thought of romancing Sera back when Cassandra and Josephine looked butt-ugly

 

I just do not get this.

 

Apparently butt-ugly.

 

yet,

 

Apparently not butt-ugly?!

[Arshei]

I just do not get this.

 

Apparently butt-ugly.

 

yet,

 

Apparently not butt-ugly?!

 

[fizzypop]

Sexuality has an educational course? I thought sexuality was different from person to person.

 

I think the theory goes that if a bisexual likes both sexes, then there is a desire in that bisexual that the one person they are with cannot fulfill, even if that bisexual has pledged to be faithful.

 

I would think that it would be vastly different, otherwise what's the point?

 

I doubt the lack of hot digital porn in the game is the concern, what with the existence of the Internets and all, as you point out.

 

Personally, while playing Origins, Morrigan and Leliana weren't a good match for my Cousland, but I didn't think much of it and I didn't mind. And then I got to talk to Anora, whom I was hoping my Cousland could get with and was thrilled to find out it could happen.  Then I was glad that didn't romance either Morrigan or Leliana. So having no good match isn't always a bad thing.

Yes, I understand the theory it is a stupid one. It assumes that men and women have this innate difference between them. They don't. The only difference is parts and most bi people will tell you parts aren't important. The point? Because it opens you up to loving more than just the parts people have. Someone who is bi tends see things less as gender exclusive. That feminine is for women only and MANILNESS IS FOR MEN!!!! type BS.

I prefer women and yet I have been with and loved men monogamously. Also I'm totes cool with non-monogamy too. No one seems to care about Iron Bull being into both and even being pretty clear he isn't monogamous. I think it is just a load of bull for fan boys to cry about something. If bisexuality bothers someone they have backwards thinking. Probably still stuck in the idea that boys play with cars and girls play with barbies.

There is literally no reason to have any sex scenes at all. So I guess I don't get the lack of it. Jo's romance is very cute. For better or worse she really does love the quizzy regardless of the bullshit surrounding their relationship. I would take that over a sex scene any day.

[Dai Grepher]

@AlenC9 Eh, with Leliana, my Cousland was wary of her beliefs on sexuality and how that might conflict with Andrastism. But he also saw Leliana as not sexually... moral. And he saw her as somewhat mixed up and not really knowing what she wants. So when she confessed love for him his belief was that it would be better if they remain friends, since he didn't think they were a good match, and he also thought that what Leliana needed most at that point in her life was a good and loyal friend. He loved Leliana like he loved his sister Oriana.

 

@Nomen Mendax The argument is that Cassandra and Josephine were of a certain type, whereas Sera was more dynamic and flexible in her type. So Sera applied to more personality types than Cassandra and Josephine did, in my opinion.

 

@SharpWalkers I was referring to how Cassandra and Josephine looked originally, not their final versions. Same with Sera. When she was first revealed she was wearing black eyeliner which made her look different from how she does in the game.

[fizzypop]

I just do not get this.

 

Apparently butt-ugly.

 

yet,

 

Apparently not butt-ugly?!

I know right? Cass is gorgeous. I kind of wish she was bi so I could have had a mad hatemance going on with her. Sera isn't attractive to me, but even if she was her personality makes her so ugly. I can't stand talking to her 90% of the time lol. So if I want a lesbian character I go with Jo every time. I really think straight guys are just pissed that she's a lesbian. If Cass was the lesbian they would be moaning that they were stuck with only ugly girls to romance. I think men just don't like it when women are unobtainable to them. I was very bummed about Dorian, but you know oh well. I rolled my first ever dude and had my way with him. I thought straight dudes loved two women getting it on?

[VelvetStraitjacket]

I think some (straight) men should put their time, effort and energy into more productive things, such as dating real women, instead of whining that they don't like their romance options in a video game. Oh, priorities...

[Dai Grepher]

Yes, I understand the theory it is a stupid one. It assumes that men and women have this innate difference between them. They don't. The only difference is parts and most bi people will tell you parts aren't important. The point? Because it opens you up to loving more than just the parts people have. Someone who is bi tends see things less as gender exclusive. That feminine is for women only and MANILNESS IS FOR MEN!!!! type BS.

I prefer women and yet I have been with and loved men monogamously. Also I'm totes cool with non-monogamy too. No one seems to care about Iron Bull being into both and even being pretty clear he isn't monogamous. I think it is just a load of bull for fan boys to cry about something. If bisexuality bothers someone they have backwards thinking. Probably still stuck in the idea that boys play with cars and girls play with barbies.

There is literally no reason to have any sex scenes at all. So I guess I don't get the lack of it. Jo's romance is very cute. For better or worse she really does love the quizzy regardless of the bullshit surrounding their relationship. I would take that over a sex scene any day.

 

Um... yeah, I think men and women have quite a few innate differences between them. I think if bisexuals were correct about what you're suggesting then everyone would be bisexual. I think homosexuals would also agree with me. Like Dorian. He prefers the company of men because men are obviously very different from women.

 

Is Bull's plot even a romance? From what I've read it's just... debauchery.

 

Well, that's your opinion. Those people can't help the way they feel about bisexual relationships. And I have heard the same argument from homosexuals who date bisexuals, so it isn't just a so-called "heterosupremecy" thing. I think it's a valid concern.

 

I agree that there is no reason for sex scenes, but I think those who complain are pointing out how every romance has at least one except Josephine. Thus Josephine's romance is somehow less than or lacking.

[Shechinah]

I agree that there is no reason for sex scenes, but I think those who complain are pointing out how every romance has at least one except Josephine. Thus Josephine's romance is somehow less than or lacking.

 

To this bit, a small correction: Solas does not have a sex scene either which was done specifically so the player themselves can decide whether or not they wanted the relationship to have a sexual aspect to it.

 

[correctamundo]

I agree that there is no reason for sex scenes, but I think those who complain are pointing out how every romance has at least one except Josephine. Thus Josephine's romance is somehow less than or lacking.

 

But Josie got a duel scene! Anyway a romance arc doesn't really need a sex scene imo. Intimacy however is mandatory - And duels!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Um... yeah, I think men and women have quite a few innate differences between them. I think if bisexuals were correct about what you're suggesting then everyone would be bisexual. I think homosexuals would also agree with me. Like Dorian. He prefers the company of men because men are obviously very different from women.

 

Is Bull's plot even a romance? From what I've read it's just... debauchery.

 

Well, that's your opinion. Those people can't help the way they feel about bisexual relationships. And I have heard the same argument from homosexuals who date bisexuals, so it isn't just a so-called "heterosupremecy" thing. I think it's a valid concern.

 

I agree that there is no reason for sex scenes, but I think those who complain are pointing out how every romance has at least one except Josephine. Thus Josephine's romance is somehow less than or lacking.

 

Both gay and straight people are very capable of being biphobic. Some people aren't cut out for monogamy (including bisexuals), but the theory that a bisexual person can't be monogamous is an unfair stereotype.

[Linkenski]

The part where this conversation often goes south is when the implication is carried with it that the "straight man" in question has tastes that apply to all straight men, as if there were a universal standard of beauty that all straight men subscribe to. Perhaps they're trying to say the options lacked someone "conventionally attractive" enough...which may just be a way of them dancing around trying not to say "why didn't you give me a hot, buxom babe?"

Amen. Personally I am completely straight, and I did find Cassandra to be attractive, also physically. I'm not into the whole idealized woman look like Triss or Yennefer from Witcher 3, to be honest. In real life, the girls I'm attracted to are also mostly the ones that are kind of pretty in their own right but not the ideal look most people seem to be going for.

 

Just to say I agree with Gaider's statement. You can't use the term "straight male" and think it includes me and every other straight male as if we all have the same universal taste in women.

 

But with that said...

 

WHYTHAFUCKDIDYOUNOTMAKESERASTRAIGHT!? She's really hot IMO.

[daveliam]

I think the theory goes that if a bisexual likes both sexes, then there is a desire in that bisexual that the one person they are with cannot fulfill, even if that bisexual has pledged to be faithful.

 

I would think that it would be vastly different, otherwise what's the point?

 

This is one of the most flawed stereotypes about bisexuals.  If a straight man is attracted to both black and white women, would a black woman be unable to 'fulfill' him because she's not white?  If a lesbian was attracted to both thin women and heavy women, would she be unable to be faithful to her heavy girlfriend?

 

It's silly to suggest that a bisexual person couldn't be 'fulfilled' by one partner.  If you think that there is any one person on the planet that is 100% going to fulfill your every single attraction, prepare for a long life of disappointment.  That simply isn't how it works.

[Dai Grepher]

To this bit, a small correction: Solas does not have a sex scene either which was done specifically so the player themselves can decide whether or not they wanted the relationship to have a sexual aspect to it.

 

True, but does anyone really count Solas as a romance?