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[Dai Grepher]

But Josie got a duel scene! Anyway a romance arc doesn't really need a sex scene imo. Intimacy however is mandatory - And duels!

 

Yeah, a duel with some scrub after you just got done carving dragons up like Feastday turkeys.

[daveliam]

True, but does anyone really count Solas as a romance?
 

 

Yes.  Many people.

[Uirebhiril]

True, but does anyone really count Solas as a romance?
 

 

Damn right we do.

[Dai Grepher]

Both gay and straight people are very capable of being biphobic. Some people aren't cut out for monogamy (including bisexuals), but the theory that a bisexual person can't be monogamous is an unfair stereotype.

 

I don't think its that they believe bisexuals incapable of monogamy, I think it's more that they feel inadequate in fulfilling their bisexual partner's sexual desires.

[Shechinah]

True, but does anyone really count Solas as a romance?
 

 

Yes, usually because he is one.
 

[Steelcan]

*inserts plea for a conventionally attractive blonde KISA*

[Dai Grepher]

Damn right we do.

 

Fair enough. But then this just goes back to the complaint about romances that are heavily restricted.

[Shechinah]

Fair enough. But then this just goes back to the complaint about romances that are heavily restricted.

 

Out of curiousity, why do you not consider Solas a romance?
 

[ComedicSociopathy]

Attractiveness is completely subjective and based upon your own definition of beauty in a person. If you don't like any of the straight male choices in this game attractive then you can roleplay as another character of a different orientation and gender then your own so you can have access to other romance options. If your unwilling to do that then don't romance anyone and wait for DA 4 to come out. Or just romance Morrigan and Isabela again.

 

Point is complaining about it on the forums isn't going change the romance options in this game and their not going to force Bioware to cater to your standard of beauty in the next game.

 

It's pointless. 

[thats1evildude]

Yeah, a duel with some scrub after you just got done carving dragons up like Feastday turkeys.

He is a seasoned duelist, and battling with a rapier requires its own skill set. There's a reason why the Inquisitor is on the defensive during that fight.

[daveliam]

I don't think its that they believe bisexuals incapable of monogamy, I think it's more that they feel inadequate in fulfilling their bisexual partner's sexual desires.

 

Ah, I see your point.  If it's around an individual's own insecurities, then that's a totally different thing.  The way that you originally stated it made it seem as if you were putting it onto the bisexual person. 

 

"I don't want to date a bisexual because they won't ever be satisfied"

 

That's totally different than

 

"I don't want to date a bisexual because I'm insecure about my own ability to satisfy them"

 

The former is a stereotype about a group of people.  The latter is just an individual insecurity.  Totally different thing, even if both show a pretty sever lack of understanding of bisexuality.

[Uirebhiril]

Fair enough. But then this just goes back to the complaint about romances that are heavily restricted.

 

Well, Solas can be considered heavily restricted for truly valid story reasons. People might complain that he's straight, but really, sometimes people can be straight without it needing further explanation.

 

Restricting romances just for the sake of it I can see being irritated at, but if a writer sits down and starts fleshing out a character and that's the way the writer sees them being, then we can respect that. It's not like they set out to see who they could annoy or upset by developing a character a certain way. I'd have liked to romance Cassandra as a woman, but rolled up a male for her just the same so I could see it at all. I wasn't disappointed.

[daveliam]

Well, Solas can be considered heavily restricted for truly valid story reasons. People might complain that he's straight, but really, sometimes people can be straight without it needing further explanation.

 

Restricting romances just for the sake of it I can see being irritated at, but if a writer sits down and starts fleshing out a character and that's the way the writer sees them being, then we can respect that. It's not like they set out to see who they could annoy or upset by developing a character a certain way. I'd have liked to romance Cassandra as a woman, but rolled up a male for her just the same so I could see it at all. I wasn't disappointed.

 

Yeah, I am really not a fan of race-gating romances.  I know that there is an argument that 'some people just won't be attracted to some races', but outside of a vague and nebulous idea of "adding realism", I don't see how it really benefits the story in any way, shape, or form.

 

However, it totally makes sense for Solas.  His story arc has made me shift from disliking it writ large to disliking it unless it's got a really strong story-based reason.  I'm actually really bummed that elf female is one of the last two combinations that I would ever play because I think it's awesome that they made a romance like his.  Now, Cullen?  A totally different story.  Me no likey....at all.

[ComedicSociopathy]

*inserts plea for a conventionally attractive blonde KISA*

 

This is pretty much the real reason this thread topic keeps coming up. At least in my opinion. There wasn't a blatant sex appeal, conventionally attractive companion (i.e Morrigan and Isabela) for straight guys in this game and a couple of them got butt-hurt mad over it. 

[jtav]

Am I the only person way more touchy about race than gender-gating? I mean, whether I play male or female is essentially arbitrary. I've done every combination of gender/sexuality you can imagine. But race? You're touching my backstory and way I look at the world. Still bitter about Cullen.

[Fredward]

*inserts plea for a conventionally attractive blonde KISA*

 

If there's a next DA and its set in Tevinter we have a perfect candidate all lined up for 'em: Mae.

[fizzypop]

Um... yeah, I think men and women have quite a few innate differences between them. I think if bisexuals were correct about what you're suggesting then everyone would be bisexual. I think homosexuals would also agree with me. Like Dorian. He prefers the company of men because men are obviously very different from women.

 

Is Bull's plot even a romance? From what I've read it's just... debauchery.

 

Well, that's your opinion. Those people can't help the way they feel about bisexual relationships. And I have heard the same argument from homosexuals who date bisexuals, so it isn't just a so-called "heterosupremecy" thing. I think it's a valid concern.

 

I agree that there is no reason for sex scenes, but I think those who complain are pointing out how every romance has at least one except Josephine. Thus Josephine's romance is somehow less than or lacking.

Then you need to research gender and sexuality. Innate implies biological. There is nothing biologically programmed into women for them to like high heels, giggle at dirty words, and like barbie dolls. Just like there is nothing programmed into men to like bare fist fights, the taste of blood, and sports cars. They are all stereotypes that society encourages, but they are not in actuality innate difference. Just like centuries ago men were wearing high heels and wigs because that was manly.

 

How the hell did you come up with the idea that everyone would be bisexual? For some people parts matter that's why some are gay or straight, but that's not true for bisexuals. That is why they are Bi. I used it to explain to you that gender nor sex was the reason someone was bisexual. They were bisexual because despite the differences in anatomy they could love anyone and be sexually attracted to anyone. I also hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most people aren't 100% straight or 100% gay either. I absolutely believe sexuality is a spectrum. I do believe it is possible to be romantically bi, but sexually straight or vice versa. Who we love isn't always dependent on their gender or parts.

 

lmao people can help being biphobic assholes. Give me a break. That's like saying people can't help being homophobic. You can help it, you just decide not too. Because something is different from you doesn't mean you get to make up stereotypes then believe in them even though someone who is part of the group you are talking about is telling you differently. **** that. Gay people can in fact be biphobic so that doesn't matter either. That's like saying since gay people can be racists its cool for straight people to be racist. Um no it ain't.

I like what daveliam said. A great analogy for the dumb founded.

[Yaroub]

Broodmothers romance will solve all your problems, all those tainted boobs man.

 

[Dai Grepher]

Out of curiousity, why do you not consider Solas a romance?
 

 

Heavily gated. Anti-Dalish sentiments. Ends the romance himself regardless. Might not have ever really cared about the Dalish female, though this could go either way.

 

His romance plot just seems more like a side quest than a true romance.
 

[ComedicSociopathy]

Am I the only person way more touchy about race than gender-gating? I mean, whether I play male or female is essentially arbitrary. I've done every combination of gender/sexuality you can imagine. But race? You're touching my backstory and way I look at the world. Still bitter about Cullen.

 

Race-gating to me seems more like an excuse for Bioware to not have to deal with animating both Solas and Cullen with all four races. They were last minute addons remember and Bioware likely just didn't have the time for them. 

 

For Solas it ended up being a success that did fit into his character, but for Cullen it felt weird. 

[Drasanil]

Am I the only person way more touchy about race than gender-gating? 

 

I think race-gating is awesome. While I don't think every romance should be race gated, but I do think Bioware should make a certain allotment for the possibility of some. 1) It opens up the possibility for more options as gating by race cuts down on the amount of camera work needed 2) allows for a potentially more focused story to it, as opposed something that feels over all more generic 3) adds an extra level of consequence for race choice which feels nice.  

[Dai Grepher]

He is a seasoned duelist, and battling with a rapier requires its own skill set. There's a reason why the Inquisitor is on the defensive during that fight.

 

The reason is because the scrub has plot armor. Serious question, will a mage fare any worse in that duel than a sword and shield warrior or dual weapon rogue?

[fizzypop]

Ah, I see your point.  If it's around an individual's own insecurities, then that's a totally different thing.  The way that you originally stated it made it seem as if you were putting it onto the bisexual person. 

 

"I don't want to date a bisexual because they won't ever be satisfied"

 

That's totally different than

 

"I don't want to date a bisexual because I'm insecure about my own ability to satisfy them"

 

The former is a stereotype about a group of people.  The latter is just an individual insecurity.  Totally different thing, even if both show a pretty sever lack of understanding of bisexuality.

I gotta be honest I don't get straight dude's weird perceptions that women having sex is so different from what they do. If you can do oral sex, finger her well, use toys, and use your **** right a bisexual woman isn't going to be unsatisfied. If they are unsatisfied it is largely because you have no idea how to have sex with women and ANY woman would be unhappy. The difference there is because straight women largely have no idea how awesome sex can be if they have had a string of awful straight men as partners (not all men are bad at sex nor am I implying that. A lot of men are though) so they may never say anything. So that's the only way I can see this being an issue. Insecurity in anyone isn't attractive.

[Uirebhiril]

Heavily gated. Anti-Dalish sentiments. Ends the romance himself regardless. Might not have ever really cared about the Dalish female, though this could go either way.

 

 

Nah, verified by Weekes that he did really care for a romanced Lavellan. But I won't say too much else because of the whole spoiler thing behind it all.

[Dai Grepher]

Am I the only person way more touchy about race than gender-gating? I mean, whether I play male or female is essentially arbitrary. I've done every combination of gender/sexuality you can imagine. But race? You're touching my backstory and way I look at the world. Still bitter about Cullen.

 

Yeah, I don't see why Cullen would look down on a dwarven female...

 

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