Nah, verified by Weekes that he did really care for a romanced Lavellan. But I won't say too much else because of the whole spoiler thing behind it all.
Trespasser might reveal more, but I don't know, leaving without any kind of explanation like that. Meh, seems kind of uncaring.
Nah, verified by Weekes that he did really care for a romanced Lavellan. But I won't say too much else because of the whole spoiler thing behind it all.
It's fine, we are on the General Discussion (Spoilers) forum so you needn't worry about that.
Just trying to be considerate because the OP seems to not have finished the game yet. I guess it's his own peril for posting in a spoiler section, but...
Nah, verified by Weekes that he did really care for a romanced Lavellan. But I won't say too much else because of the whole spoiler thing behind it all.
Yeah I agree Solas cares deeply for Lavellan. You can see how surprised he is by it. I just wish that care was enough to change his perception a little bit. He seems to angry at the Dalish for telling what he perceives as lies, but at the same time he seems to value knowledge. At least they are trying to value knowledge and history. Sure they might be getting it wrong, but isn't that better then forgetting it completely? It makes no sense. Wouldn't he be doing a great service if he corrected any number of those lies? Yet he stays silent. At times I feel like he is a hypocrite.
Then you need to research gender and sexuality. Innate implies biological. There is nothing biologically programmed into women for them to like high heels, giggle at dirty words, and like barbie dolls. Just like there is nothing programmed into men to like bare fist fights, the taste of blood, and sports cars. They are all stereotypes that society encourages, but they are not in actuality innate difference. Just like centuries ago men were wearing high heels and wigs because that was manly.
How the hell did you come up with the idea that everyone would be bisexual? For some people parts matter that's why some are gay or straight, but that's not true for bisexuals. That is why they are Bi. I used it to explain to you that gender nor sex was the reason someone was bisexual. They were bisexual because despite the differences in anatomy they could love anyone and be sexually attracted to anyone. I also hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most people aren't 100% straight or 100% gay either. I absolutely believe sexuality is a spectrum. I do believe it is possible to be romantically bi, but sexually straight or vice versa. Who we love isn't always dependent on their gender or parts.
lmao people can help being biphobic assholes. Give me a break. That's like saying people can't help being homophobic. You can help it, you just decide not too. Because something is different from you doesn't mean you get to make up stereotypes then believe in them even though someone who is part of the group you are talking about is telling you differently. **** that. Gay people can in fact be biphobic so that doesn't matter either. That's like saying since gay people can be racists its cool for straight people to be racist. Um no it ain't.
I like what daveliam said. A great analogy for the dumb founded.
I don't think I need to research it, but thanks.
I was referring to your claim of what bisexuals believe about gender and body parts and how there is almost no difference. It doesn't really matter though. I doubt this is anywhere near on-topic.
I'm referring to when people are in a certain situation with external forces affecting them. Sometimes they just can't help how they react to those forces or how it makes them feel.
Okay fine, homosexuals can be "biphobic" too. My point was simply that it wasn't just a thing that heterosexuals believe or feel.
Heavily gated. Anti-Dalish sentiments. Ends the romance himself regardless. Might not have ever really cared about the Dalish female, though this could go either way.
His romance plot just seems more like a side quest than a true romance.
Solas admits he was too judgemental about the Dalish during the scene on the balcony and credits them even if the player selects the dialogue option that has them state that the Dalish did not make them who they were and that their decisions were their own.
Solas also does genuinely care about the Inquisitor as most evident during his final romantic scene with them; notice how he reacts when he sees them upset because of his revelation and after he breaks up with them especially if the player selects the dialogue option that has them confess that they love him - he looks devastated that it ended the way it did.
As a note; I adore the entire finale for how expressive the characters are in terms of facial animation and voice acting.
As a note; I adore the entire finale for how expressive the characters are in terms of facial animation and voice acting.
Yeah. If there's anything to say about that scene in particular, it's the sheer amount of talent and skill that went into animating and acting it. Truly exceptional.
Solas admits he was too judgemental about the Dalish during the scene on the balcony and credits them even if the player selects the dialogue option that has them state that the Dalish did not make them who they were and that their decisions were their own.
Solas also does genuinely care about the Inquisitor as most evident during his final romantic scene with them; notice how he reacts when he sees them upset because of his revelation and after he breaks up with them especially if the player selects the dialogue option that has them confess that they love him - he looks devastated that it ended the way it did.
As a note; I adore the entire finale for how expressive the characters are in terms of facial animation and voice acting.
I'll be honest I have never finished his romance because I didn't want to say goodbye, but this is making me wants to get back on that character and finish it. Not sure I want to be crying all day when I'm feeling sick as **** 
I'll be honest I think Solas and Cullen are the best romances in this game. I actually find it funny that they were the ones added in because they largely feel so natural.
Yeah I agree Solas cares deeply for Lavellan. You can see how surprised he is by it. I just wish that care was enough to change his perception a little bit. He seems to angry at the Dalish for telling what he perceives as lies, but at the same time he seems to value knowledge. At least they are trying to value knowledge and history. Sure they might be getting it wrong, but isn't that better then forgetting it completely? It makes no sense. Wouldn't he be doing a great service if he corrected any number of those lies? Yet he stays silent. At times I feel like he is a hypocrite.
I believe it is implied if not outright confirmed by Solas that he tried and the experience was a bitter one.
I also think he has a conversation with a Dalish Inquisitor where he brings up the likelihood that the Dalish would believe someone like him which admittedly is low but is understandable considering I doubt he can provide evidence to back up his claims. A lot of what he knows about the days of Arlathan, history and culture is likely what he has experienced himself. When he reveals the truth about the vallaslin's past significance to the Inquisitor, he does not provide any evidence beyond his word that it is the truth.
Granted, he can claim he saw it in the Fade but that would still mean the Dalish clans would have to take him on his word or ask him to show them.
Solas admits he was too judgemental about the Dalish during the scene on the balcony and credits them even if the player selects the dialogue option that has them state that the Dalish did not make them who they were and that their decisions were their own.
Solas also does genuinely care about the Inquisitor as most evident during his final romantic scene with them; notice how he reacts when he sees them upset because of his revelation and after he breaks up with them especially if the player selects the dialogue option that has them confess that they love him - he looks devastated that it ended the way it did.
As a note; I adore the entire finale for how expressive the characters are in terms of facial animation and voice acting.
Fair enough. But I forgot about the biggest reason of all...
Solas was not really sharing himself with the Dalish female. He was keeping many things from her. So he was dishonest in the relationship.
Now of course I'll have to defend the Blackwall romance. Yes, he was dishonest, but in the end he did the right thing and made it known. He couldn't live with the lie, and he couldn't keep lying to his romantic interest. So he revealed everything in the end. Solas doesn't.
*inserts plea for a conventionally attractive blonde KISA*
I will continue to pledge my support to your cause. Again, not really my thing, but it is kind of odd that there hasn't been a blonde female romance for straight guys in 10 games over the past 15 years. Wait, I take that back, wasn't Dorne in SWTOR a blonde? Still, another one would be nice.
Am I the only person way more touchy about race than gender-gating? I mean, whether I play male or female is essentially arbitrary. I've done every combination of gender/sexuality you can imagine. But race? You're touching my backstory and way I look at the world. Still bitter about Cullen.
Nope. Race-gating feels cheap most of the time. Outside of a Solas situation, at best, it feels lazy. At worst, it feels like covering up laziness by making a character with a fairly close-minded attitude towards romance. Are there people who feel that way? Sure, and they are entitled to feel that way. But I'm also entitled to side-eye them for it.
Race-gating to me seems more like an excuse for Bioware to not have to deal with animating both Solas and Cullen with all four races. They were last minute addons remember and Bioware likely just didn't have the time for them.
For Solas it ended up being a success that did fit into his character, but for Cullen it felt weird.
Yep. This was the big issue for me as well. Again, Solas' race-gating made sense given the actual story. But Cullen's was really just an excuse to not worry about animating the cut scenes for a dwarf/qunari lady. People can try to justify it as "Cullen's preference", but the reality is that Cullen was only added when they got extra time and his gating is directly influenced by the lack of resources (i.e. time) needed for animations. It's why it feels like a cop out and why, ultimately, I think it would have been better for him to not be included at all.
I will continue to pledge my support to your cause. Again, not really my thing, but it is kind of odd that there hasn't been a blonde female romance for straight guys in 10 games over the past 15 years. Wait, I take that back, wasn't Dorne in SWTOR a blonde? Still, another one would be nice.
Nope. Race-gating feels cheap most of the time. Outside of a Solas situation, at best, it feels lazy. At worst, it feels like covering up laziness by making a character with a fairly close-minded attitude towards romance. Are there people who feel that way? Sure, and they are entitled to feel that way. But I'm also entitled to side-eye them for it.
Yep. This was the big issue for me as well. Again, Solas' race-gating made sense given the actual story. But Cullen's was really just an excuse to not worry about animating the cut scenes for a dwarf/qunari lady. People can try to justify it as "Cullen's preference", but the reality is that Cullen was only added when they got extra time and his gating is directly influenced by the lack of resources (i.e. time) needed for animations. It's why it feels like a cop out and why, ultimately, I think it would have been better for him to not be included at all.
Iona, Nesiara, Anora. Though not technically full, in-game romances. Still.
Question. How did race-gating make sense in Solas' case? Because of the elf + whatever = not elf child thing?
Nope. Race-gating feels cheap most of the time. Outside of a Solas situation, at best, it feels lazy. At worst, it feels like covering up laziness by making a character with a fairly close-minded attitude towards romance. Are there people who feel that way? Sure, and they are entitled to feel that way. But I'm also entitled to side-eye them for it.
You can have characters that are fairly close minded about lots of things, why not this to? Admittedly, it would be better if a race-gated romance was built as such from the ground up. Bioware could probably do multiple race-gated romances for the same resources it takes to do one omni-race romance, if anything it has the potential to be a plus since theoretically it would allow for more options not less.
Fair enough. But I forgot about the biggest reason of all...
Solas was not really sharing himself with the Dalish female. He was keeping many things from her. So he was dishonest in the relationship.
Now of course I'll have to defend the Blackwall romance. Yes, he was dishonest, but in the end he did the right thing and made it known. He couldn't live with the lie, and he couldn't keep lying to his romantic interest. So he revealed everything in the end. Solas doesn't.
I know I will get total hate for saying this, but that really depends on how you value relationships doesn't it? Solas is not someone who opens up easily and I think that's fairly clear. He like blackwall only withheld information. Sure that's dishonest, but I think not everyone values that dishonesty the same. If someone wants to have their secrets I would rather they have them. Not everyone requires or needs complete transparency in a relationship. I think if anything leaving was the worse thing Solas has done to Lavellan not necessarily the withholding of information. I get that's probably the same for blackwall. The only difference it is easy to track Blackwall down, but if you couldn't Blackwall and Solas would have left the quizzy in the same situation.
Question. How did race-gating make sense in Solas' case? Because of the elf + whatever = not elf child thing?
Because
Yeah I agree Solas cares deeply for Lavellan. You can see how surprised he is by it. I just wish that care was enough to change his perception a little bit. He seems to angry at the Dalish for telling what he perceives as lies, but at the same time he seems to value knowledge. At least they are trying to value knowledge and history. Sure they might be getting it wrong, but isn't that better then forgetting it completely? It makes no sense. Wouldn't he be doing a great service if he corrected any number of those lies? Yet he stays silent. At times I feel like he is a hypocrite.
It's implied that he initially tried to enlighten the Dalish about their past but was rejected because of how terrible he made Arlathan seem. I mean, if someone told me that my gods were tyrannically monsters, that my ancient ancestors had slaves and that my own culture self-destructed, I'd probably call that person crazy too out of hand.
I will continue to pledge my support to your cause. Again, not really my thing, but it is kind of odd that there hasn't been a blonde female romance for straight guys in 10 games over the past 15 years. Wait, I take that back, wasn't Dorne in SWTOR a blonde? Still, another one would be nice.
Yes Dorne is blonde. And Default female shepard was voted to be blonde by majority, but Bioware get demands and it was changed to redhead.
Iona, Nesiara, Anora. Though not technically full, in-game romances. Still.
Question. How did race-gating make sense in Solas' case? Because of the elf + whatever = not elf child thing?
Yeah, I'm really only counting full romances here.
Because it's specific to elves. His background. The conversations that he can have with an elf about elven history. Given his backstory, it's not hard to understand why he would only be interested in elves. It has nothing to do with procreating, really.
You can have characters that are fairly close minded about lots of things, why not this to? Admittedly, it would be better if a race-gated romance was built as such from the ground up. Bioware could probably do multiple race-gated romances for the same resources it takes to do one omni-race romance, if anything it has the potential to be a plus since theoretically it would allow for more options not less.
Yeah, it's really my subjective opinion. I prefer not to see characters like that because it makes me dislike them and, if it's only done to cover up lack of development time for the romance, then I don't prefer it. I have no issues with close-minded characters, but it will definitely influence how I receive those characters. Just my opinion.
It's implied that he initially tried to enlighten the Dalish about their past but was rejected because of how terrible he made Arlathan seem. I mean, if someone told me that my gods were tyrannically monsters, that my ancient ancestors had slaves and that my own culture self-destructed, I'd probably call that person crazy too out of hand.
Sure, but Lavellan seems honestly curious and he still says choice things to her. One experience doesn't necessarily mean he should have stopped all together. I mean it is obvious that Solas is not good with people. If he took the time to get to know the Dalish and understand the culture. They might be more willing to let him be a gentle guidance. Being too extreme/radical is his issue. Change generally requires a gentle hard, not a forceful one. As another poster said the lack of evidence might be his biggest problem there. Still the Dalish seemed to highly respect Flemeth. Solas has more working against him, but I think he is capable of doing it.
Because an apparent elven god is probably not all that inclined towards romancing other races, when it comes right down to it.
Apparently he's not interested in romancing a dalish female elf either. Or at least, not sticking around after he does.
TBH, I actually found it a bit hard to understand why Solas would be gated too. I guess it's just due to the fact that, unlike ME,the races here have mostly small(ish) and superficial differences. Dwarves are about a foot and a half shorter and stockier in build, but they've still the same body shape and features, the same face shape etc. It's not like comparing humans to turians. Qunari are the probably the most stark but even then.
I guess it's like meeting a guy who says;
"Yeah, I ONLY find women who are 5ft 6, long straight brown hair and grey eyes attractive. They have to be exactly 34 24 38. I'm just not attracted to anything else. One inch over that and meh."
But even as another race, you don't even get the chance to flirt with him and be knocked back. Almost like the game just decided for you that if you're another race and gender, you just couldn't possibly be attracted to him to flirt. :-/ But that's just me. Maybe he just can't get over a light size difference and the pointy ears, even if my Human character has the same conversations, the same openmindedness and seems to have gained the same admiration and regard for him as my Lavellan.
Fair enough. But I forgot about the biggest reason of all...
Solas was not really sharing himself with the Dalish female. He was keeping many things from her. So he was dishonest in the relationship.
Now of course I'll have to defend the Blackwall romance. Yes, he was dishonest, but in the end he did the right thing and made it known. He couldn't live with the lie, and he couldn't keep lying to his romantic interest. So he revealed everything in the end. Solas doesn't.
To be fair, Solas does "end" the romance partially because of that but it is a fair point albeit one where I can see why he would not admit his deceit:
If he confesses his involvement with the orb, he'd likely lose trust, perhaps even imprisoned, meaning he'd not be able to reclaim the orb since it's doubtful they'd let him near it and so he would not be able to potentially correct his mistake, not to mention the orb would be in the hands of people where it prove just as dangerous because they'd have no idea how to use it.
If he confesses his true identity, the aforementioned bits above would likely happen still.
Don't mistake me; Solas makes enough mistakes that it is becoming somewhat of a running gag if he did indeed accidentally cause the future Qunari invasion.
His comments towards Blackwall post-reveal are very hypocritical even if they are to be taken as a projection of how he feels about his own dishonesty.
Yep. This was the big issue for me as well. Again, Solas' race-gating made sense given the actual story. But Cullen's was really just an excuse to not worry about animating the cut scenes for a dwarf/qunari lady. People can try to justify it as "Cullen's preference", but the reality is that Cullen was only added when they got extra time and his gating is directly influenced by the lack of resources (i.e. time) needed for animations. It's why it feels like a cop out and why, ultimately, I think it would have been better for him to not be included at all.
Why? Cullen has showed his attraction of female elves and humans in previous games. In this case, if they truly lacked time and resources to add the other races to his romance, it makes sense that the elves and humans were their primary concern.
I can understand why it's disappointing and it would've been nice if they didn't race-gate his romance, but to leave out his romance out altogether because of this doesn't make sense to me.
Apparently he's not interested in romancing a dalish female elf either. Or at least, not sticking around after he does.
Except that he did, and wanted to, but couldn't. Crap happens in everyone's lives, it doesn't make the relationships and story you build with others any less real or important.
Going to edit to add that when Solas does the whole leaving thing, it's because he had intended to tell Lavellan all about himself and everything else at that point, but lost his nerve to do so. Since he couldn't give himself up, and couldn't continue things by not being entirely truthful, he ends it. So I guess YMMV if you think that was the right thing to do, or is just as bad.
To be fair, Solas does "end" the romance partially because of that but it is a fair point albeit one where I can see why he would not admit his deceit:
If he confesses his involvement with the orb, he'd likely lose trust, perhaps even imprisoned, meaning he'd not be able to reclaim the orb since it's doubtful they'd let him near it and so he would not be able to potentially correct his mistake, not to mention the orb would be in the hands of people where it prove just as dangerous because they'd have no idea how to use it.
If he confesses his true identity, the aforementioned bits above would likely happen still.
Don't mistake me; Solas makes enough mistakes that it is becoming somewhat of a running gag if he did indeed accidentally cause the future Qunari invasion.
His comments towards Blackwall post-reveal are very hypocritical even if they really are a projection of how he feels about his own dishonesty.
Right. I just think if he went into it with dishonesty, then can it really be considered a romance? That's like a guy wooing a gal and telling her that he's some big hotshot educated businessman with a rich family and a ton of life experiences, when in reality he's just a broke BS'er who actually can't get involved in a relationship at this point in his life.
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