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[ComedicSociopathy]

Sure, but Lavellan seems honestly curious and he still says choice things to her. One experience doesn't necessarily mean he should have stopped all together. I mean it is obvious that Solas is not good with people. If he took the time to get to know the Dalish and understand the culture. They might be more willing to let him be a gentle guidance. Being too extreme/radical is his issue. Change generally requires a gentle hard, not a forceful one. As another poster said the lack of evidence might be his biggest problem there. Still the Dalish seemed to highly respect Flemeth. Solas has more working against him, but I think he is capable of doing it.

 

Maybe. For Lavellan sure, its entirely possible that she's going to believe you since she's already in love with you. Plus, she was told by an actual ancient elf that Arlathan destroyed itself, so that's direct evidence right there. The rest of Dalish on the other hand I'm not so sure. The revelation that divine figures like Andruil and Dirthamen were terrifying monsters that murdered ancient elves for their own amusement or need for power is going to be a tough thing to swallow and even if they did it would completely change their most fundamental beliefs and culture. 

 

I'd imagine a lot of Dalish wanting that vallaslin removal spell and perhaps reexamining whether they want to continue trying to emulate an unworthy culture. Which I think is for the best to be honest. 

[Drasanil]

Yeah, it's really my subjective opinion.  I prefer not to see characters like that because it makes me dislike them and, if it's only done to cover up lack of development time for the romance, then I don't prefer it.  I have no issues with close-minded characters, but it will definitely influence how I receive those characters.  Just my opinion.

 

For me it just amounts to another layer to their character, whether I end up liking or disliking them depends on all of it, not solely that issue. If say the next game were set in Tevinter and you had a Magister companion that was only interested in opposite sex human mages, it wouldn't upset me, since that's a perfectly valid interest for them to have given where they are coming from. Similarily, a race-gated dwarf or elf, who would only be interested in their own kind because of the huge cultural taboos about preserving their race would be fine with me too. 

[Uirebhiril]

Right. I just think if he went into it with dishonesty, then can it really be considered a romance? That's like a guy wooing a gal and telling her that he's some big hotshot educated businessman with a rich family and a ton of life experiences, when in reality he's just a broke BS'er who actually can't get involved in a relationship at this point in his life.

 

Like Blackwall. "I'm a decorated Gray Warden! Except, oops..."

 

We'll have to wait until next week to see how much Solas does share with us, but he and Blackwall are the same in as much as how honest they were in getting into the relationship. Blackwall pretended to be someone else; Solas didn't tell anyone who he really is. Both resist getting involved for a time, and then you get a revelation one way and a goodbye the other. Neither are particularly happy events no matter what you feel.

[daveliam]

Why? Cullen has showed his attraction of female elves and humans in previous games. In this case, if they truly lacked time and resources to add the other races to his romance, it makes sense that the elves and humans were their primary concern.

 

I can understand why it's disappointing and it would've been nice if they didn't race-gate his romance, but to leave out his romance out altogether because of this doesn't make sense to me.

 

I agree that if only two races should get priority for his romance, those would be the two given his past.  But there's nothing ever to suggest that he doesn't find dwarves and qunari attractive.  Outside of the fact that he calls dwarves 'heathens'.  So, again, the only reason why he's not available for dwarves/qunari is because they ran out of development time to animate those scenes.  Not because of any reason based on Cullen as a character.  I guess it's around the directionality of it.  Cullen's character is influenced by the lack of animation.  Not the other way around.  To me, it's not satisfactory given how they sold the race-gating as based on 'story reasons'.

 

For me it just amounts to another layer to their character, whether I end up liking or disliking them depends on all of it, not solely that issue. If say the next game were set in Tevinter and you had a Magister companion that was only interested in opposite sex human mages, it wouldn't upset me, since that's a perfectly valid interest for them to have given where they are coming from. Similarily, a race-gated dwarf or elf, who would only be interested in their own kind because of the huge cultural taboos about preserving their race would be fine with me too. 

 

Right, but again, that makes sense given the story.  A Magister might only be willing to romance a human mage of the opposite sex, given what we know about that culture.  It's more akin to Solas' gating, which makes sense to me.  For Cullen, there's no good reason outside of "Well maybe he is just incapable of being attracted to any individual in that entire race....?"  That seems like a cop out to me. 

[Uirebhiril]

Right, but again, that makes sense given the story.  A Magister might only be willing to romance a human mage of the opposite sex, given what we know about that culture.  It's more akin to Solas' gating, which makes sense to me.  For Cullen, there's no good reason outside of "Well maybe he is just incapable of being attracted to any individual in that entire race....?"  That seems like a cop out to me. 

 

Is it just an issue of where it's never touched on? You don't get to sit and have a chat with Cullen where he just sort of shrugs and mentions he never felt an attraction to a dwarf? If they continue to do race gating in the future I can see where people might want something more than just shutting someone down when they flirt, but how much will that remove someone from the story and seem like it's trying too hard to justify a note in the character's background file?

[Dai Grepher]

Like Blackwall. "I'm a decorated Gray Warden! Except, oops..."

 

We'll have to wait until next week to see how much Solas does share with us, but he and Blackwall are the same in as much as how honest they were in getting into the relationship. Blackwall pretended to be someone else; Solas didn't tell anyone who he really is. Both resist getting involved for a time, and then you get a revelation one way and a goodbye the other. Neither are particularly happy events no matter what you feel.

 

Similar to Blackwall. At least Blackwall was honest in the end, and wished to continue the romance if his lady would have him back.

[Drasanil]

Right, but again, that makes sense given the story.  A Magister might only be willing to romance a human mage of the opposite sex, given what we know about that culture.  It's more akin to Solas' gating, which makes sense to me.  

 

Yeah, that's the sort of race-gated romance I would support and that I think there should be some of, because it adds to the character/story. 

 

For Cullen, there's no good reason outside of "Well maybe he is just incapable of being attracted to any individual in that entire race....?"  That seems like a cop out to me. 

 

I don't think its particularly a big deal that Cullen was gated given the limitations of when he was added. But generally yeah I agree with your point about gating just for the sake of it not being good, it should make sense from the character's background/point of view. If Cullen was more devout and human only, as opposed to human/elf only it would have worked better in my opinion. 

 

I think the bigger problem with the Cullen romance was that it was thrown in as pure fan-service. With the Solas romance Weekes added it in when given the time because it made for an interesting dynamic with a Lavellan inquisitor and potentially added to the story going forward. With Cullen he got thrown in because a vocal minority really really wanted him to be in, which kind of leaves me dreading the possibility of more fan servicy romances going forward like Harding or Dagna should they make a reappearance in DA4. 

[MissMayhem96]

Sera's fun. Cassandra's too... stuffy? stodgy? She's no fun.

 

Because if you were to romance Sera she will break up the relationship if you don't agree with everything she says, especially after her personal quest that actually does terminate the romance. But yeah, she is fun.

[Uirebhiril]

Similar to Blackwall. At least Blackwall was honest in the end, and wished to continue the romance if his lady would have him back.

 

Solas broke it off because he couldn't be honest in the end and didn't want to continue the relationship in a lie. He left because there's clearly some mission or goal that he can't put aside and has to put above himself and his desires to achieve, though he came very close to doing just that with Lavellan. It's making me both nervous and excited for what comes next week. Do we get the truth finally? How can we react? What will it mean? I've never been so ready for a DLC.

 

Stuff I'm saying about what Solas intended or thought is all taken from an interview with his writer, so don't worry, it's not fanciful headcanon on my part but factual things from Weekes. I know better than to give headcanon the weight of reality.

[daveliam]

Is it just an issue of where it's never touched on? You don't get to sit and have a chat with Cullen where he just sort of shrugs and mentions he never felt an attraction to a dwarf? If they continue to do race gating in the future I can see where people might want something more than just shutting someone down when they flirt, but how much will that remove someone from the story and seem like it's trying too hard to justify a note in the character's background file?

 

I also wouldn't love that because I think it's pretty odd to say that there is no way at all that you can ever feel any attraction to any member of a particular race.  Like never?  Not one dwarf?  Not even the most beautiful dwarf?  Who acts exactly the same as a human?  But that's just my subjective opinion.  I'm sure there are other people who feel otherwise.

 

I don't think its particularly a big deal that Cullen was gated given the limitations of when he was added. But generally yeah I agree with your point about gating just for the sake of it not being good, it should make sense from the character's background/point of view. If Cullen was more devout and human only, as opposed to human/elf only it would have worked better in my opinion. 

 

I think the bigger problem with the Cullen romance was that it was thrown in as pure fan-service. With the Solas romance Weekes added it in when given the time because it made for an interesting dynamic with a Lavellan inquisitor and potentially added to the story going forward. With Cullen he got thrown in because a vocal minority really really wanted him to be in, which kind of leaves me dreading the possibility of more fan servicy romances going forward like Harding or Dagna should they make a reappearance in DA4. 

 

I don't think Harding being a romance would be fan-service.  I genuinely think that the only reason why she wasn't a full romance in this game was because they weren't sure how well-received a lady dwarf LI would be and didn't want to waste resources on a romance that no one would do.  So they created this 'quasi-romance' flirt option to test it out and she's actually a very popular option.  In fact, I suspect many guys (like the OP) would have preferred her over the two other options.  So if she ends up showing up in DA4 (which could easily happen, given that her role is an Agent who represents the Inquisition in the field), I think she'll be  bisexual, ungated romance the way that she should have been in DA:I.

[TammieAZ]

I also wouldn't love that because I think it's pretty odd to say that there is no way at all that you can ever feel any attraction to any member of a particular race.  Like never?  Not one dwarf?  Not even the most beautiful dwarf?  Who acts exactly the same as a human?  But that's just my subjective opinion.  I'm sure there are other people who feel otherwise.

 

 

I don't think Harding being a romance would be fan-service.  I genuinely think that the only reason why she wasn't a full romance in this game was because they weren't sure how well-received a lady dwarf LI would be and didn't want to waste resources on a romance that no one would do.  So they created this 'quasi-romance' flirt option to test it out and she's actually a very popular option.  In fact, I suspect many guys (like the OP) would have preferred her over the two other options.  So if she ends up showing up in DA4 (which could easily happen, given that her role is an Agent who represents the Inquisition in the field), I think she'll be  bisexual, ungated romance the way that she should have been in DA:I.

 

Why would she be bisexual? Does she also flirt with the females?

[Drasanil]

I don't think Harding being a romance would be fan-service.  I genuinely think that the only reason why she wasn't a full romance in this game was because they weren't sure how well-received a lady dwarf LI would be and didn't want to waste resources on a romance that no one would do.  So they created this 'quasi-romance' flirt option to test it out and she's actually a very popular option.  In fact, I suspect many guys (like the OP) would have preferred her over the two other options.  So if she ends up showing up in DA4 (which could easily happen, given that her role is an Agent who represents the Inquisition in the field), I think she'll be  bisexual, ungated romance the way that she should have been in DA:I.

 

You might be right on that, maybe its just the threads demanding a Harding romance that has kind of put me off the idea. I'm not opposed to a future fem-dwarf romance, but if the next game is indeed going north Harding better have a really good reason for being there, otherwise I think it would be better if it was an entirely new character.

[MissMayhem96]

Why would she bisexual? Does she also flirt with the females?

 

Yes, she does. 

[The Oracle]

I also wouldn't love that because I think it's pretty odd to say that there is no way at all that you can ever feel any attraction to any member of a particular race.  Like never?  Not one dwarf?  Not even the most beautiful dwarf?  Who acts exactly the same as a human?  But that's just my subjective opinion.  I'm sure there are other people who feel otherwise.

 

 

Yeah, I'm the same as you. It just has a bit of a disconnect in my head. It's like me saying that I just could never be attracted to a Greek man. Really? Just because of the different background and slightly different skintone, you couldn't find yourself attracted to ANY man from Greece? Because, in my opinion, if someone clicks with you, they click, and the packaging seems such a little thing when that happens. But eh, what can I say, it's just how I am in life. Sure, some may say "Oh, I really could only go for someone taller than me. I just couldn't see myself with someone my own height or smaller." and I just think of how sad it is that you might disregard a wonderful, thoughtful and loving partner because they don't fit an ideal.

[daveliam]

Why would she bisexual? Does she also flirt with the females?

 

Yep.  She flirts with all Inquisitors regardless of gender or race.   Her dialogue is exactly the same for male and female Inquisitors, I believe.

 

You might be right on that, maybe its just the threads demanding a Harding romance that has kind of put me off the idea. I'm not opposed to a future fem-dwarf romance, but if the next game is indeed going north Harding better have a really good reason for being there, otherwise I think it would be better if it was an entirely new character.

 

I think it could make sense for Harding, although that really depends on what happens in the upcoming DLC.  As of right now, the Inquisition is a major power that deal with politics and espionage.  If the PC of DA4 is a mover and shaker in the world in any capacity (doesn't have to be Tevinter since I'm not convinced that it's a lock that we're going there next anyway), word will get back to the Inquisition and it would be in their best interests to get an agent on the scene to report back.  Provided that the DA4 PC isn't working against the Inquisition, I could very easily see a situation where Harding's services are offered as a unofficial means of providing support to their cause.  Then she serves two other meta-purposes as well:  she acts as the 'return character' tying the last game to the next one; and she serves as a well-received female LI who would also be the first dwarf LI.

[Super Drone]

Harding as the Bi female LI would have resolved some of the complaints that the two options for straight guys have too much in common (both are Courtly love based romances with noblewomen that seem to fit a Human noble type character).

[Dai Grepher]

Yep.  She flirts with all Inquisitors regardless of gender or race.   Her dialogue is exactly the same for male and female Inquisitors, I believe.

 

Bah! Now I feel insecure.
 

[WildOrchid]

Because if you were to romance Sera she will break up the relationship if you don't agree with everything she says, especially after her personal quest that actually does terminate the romance. But yeah, she is fun.

 

She's pretty fun when you don't play a dalish elf. Which it's logical because..... you know. She doesn't like dalish elves. She makes it clear first, but people keep romancing her with a devout dalish one.

 

Also "don't agree with everything she says"?????? Are you sure? Because I disagreed with her a lot and still continued the romance.   

[Drasanil]

She's pretty fun when you don't play a dalish elf. Which it's logical because..... you know. She doesn't like dalish elves. 

 

Fixed that for you. While she doesn't like the dalish, she's hardly discriminatory in her dislike when it comes to elves. If you pay attention to what she says most of Sera's rants about elves apply to the city variety [ie: most elves she knows couldn't find arrows if they sat on one]. In fact given that she by her own admission spent nearly all her time in cities the elfquisitor is probably one of the few, if not first, dalish she's actually met. 

[D_Schattenjager]

To quote Cassandra

"Romance is not the sole province of dithering ladies in frilly dresses. It is passion. It is being swept away by the pursuit of an idea. What is not to like about that?"

Looks are not the only thing even in games, personality is what matters and Cassandra has that in bounds. Her character shows all degrees of emotions extremely well. 

I for one, found the Cassandra romance on par with Morrigan & Leliana

Josephine's romance leaves a lot to be asked for ...  flirting with Scout Harding is more fulfilling 

[MissMayhem96]

She's pretty fun when you don't play a dalish elf. Which it's logical because..... you know. She doesn't like dalish elves. She makes it clear first, but people keep romancing her with a devout dalish one.

 

Also "don't agree with everything she says"?????? Are you sure? Because I disagreed with her a lot and still continued the romance. 

 

It ties in with the fact that if you find fault with what she did in personal quest she will not be happy and becomes very defensive to the point of terminating the romance just because she can't handle the fact that she did something wrong. 

 

She reacts the same way after the Temple of Mythal. Even if your an Elven inquisitor she calls her stupid just because she believes what happened there was real and not just demons. 

 

She literally has you choose between her or your inquisitor's faith. However, you are right none of these things happen if you have an inquisitor that is anything else but an devout elf. I like characters that don't always go right with your decisions, I really do. But Sera doesn't have any kind of positive or negative development throughout the game, she stays the same and I think that is why she isn't my favorite character. (sorry, so long  )

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I find the straight male romances limiting due to the background of the romanceable characters.

 

In DAO we had Morrigan and Leliana. Both of them are very different in terms of culture and life perspectives.

 

In DA2 we had Isabela and Merril. Once again, both of them are very different culturally, mentally, etc.

 

In DAI we have Cassandra and Josephine. Both are nobility, both are princesses, both are Andrastians, both support the Chantry in some way, etc. There is little difference between them compared to  Isabela and Merrill or Leliana and Morrigan.

 

As for Cassandra, I don't really care about how she looks. She is physically fit and all the parts are where they should be.

 

However, Cassandra is an amalgamation of two things I greatly dislike. For one, I don't like cops because to me they are nonthinking government thugs, tools of the state wearing a bland uniform with a shiny badge. I also do not like religious people because everything revolves around their god, their prophet and their scriptures. Cassandra is a religious police. A religious secret police. I will not touch Cassandra with a 10 foot pole, even if I was truly desperate for some sex or romance.

[D_Schattenjager]

^^^ They should have kept Sera dual and Josie as female only. 

You can't find greater contrast than Sera and Cassandra

[Dabrikishaw]

The way I see it, romancing Sera as a Dalish Mage isn't much different from romancing Fenris as a mage. The thing that makes those romances appealing is the sense of struggle the player feels in loving a character with those biases.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

^^^ They should have kept Sera dual and Josie as female only. 

You can't find greater contrast than Sera and Cassandra

 

God no. I am thankful that Sera is not available for male Inquisitors because Sera is a lowbrow of the highest degree. What worse is that she remains a lowbrow brat throughout the game. You can't talk to her without facepalming.

 

Josie is somewhat appealing because she is not a full on Andrastian like Cassandra is and she is someone you can talk to without compromising what your Inquisitor is and what he or she stand for.