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[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I don't think he's saying DAI is a bad game...

 

It wouldn't bother me if he was.

 

And this is, tbh, one of the least important post/complain ever made..

 

I'm not sure what post or complaint you are referring to. If you mean me, I'm not complaining about DA:I romances, as I honestly don't have any complaints about them.

 

He just stated he would have preferred more options...

 

I actually quoted the portion of the post that I was specifically responding to, which was the assertion that the romances for straight male gamers were lame. I understand the principle of how more options are generally a good thing, and don't dispute that.

 

I think it can just be ended here without insulting each other

 

I haven't insulted anyone.

[Andreas Amell]

that prefers to play a straight male character most of the time, I am thoroughly disappointed with the viable romance options that I am given. It's either Cassandra or Josephine, neither of which are very appealing to me. I hate hoity toity rich nobles and the game (politics) so Josephine is not compatible at all and the seeker is too bitchy. I did romance Cassandra because she was the preferable of the two options, but I still am not thrilled with her. I realize the romance is just an optional part of the game, but to opt out simply because I don't particularly like either of my very limited options is nowhere near the same as opting out because I wanted to play a pious inquisitor who has no time for romance. I really like Sera, but she doesn't like wieners so she's not available (gonna play a female next go around just so I can romance her). I don't like Vivienne at all, see above comments about Josephine then multiple by 5, but it wouldn't matter if I did like her because she shuts you down real fast if you try. Since there are already threads devoted to her I won't rant about it here but we can flirt our asses off with Scout Harding but it never actually develops. 

 

I really hope next time around, assuming there's a DA4, we have more options. (also, give us dwarf romance options, damn it, male and female. I dwarves)

 

Love in war time is never ideal. It's best to seek it afterwards. Just look at the past games. The more romantic developments are implied to have happened after the main storylines end. 

[CorniliuS]

I wonder then they going to introduce love interests for zoophiliacs. I also think we should have necrophiliac pride parade, maybe an interview, how he\she struggled all this years and been persecuted...Aaaa Storvacker some time on lonely nights I’m thinking about you...Straight man you say? Today you should be ashamed to be straight it's best if you keep this dark secret to yourself.

[Dieb]

I wonder then they going to introduce love interests for zoophiliacs. I also think we should have necrophiliac pride parade, maybe an interview, how he\she struggled all this years and been persecuted...Aaaa Storvacker some time on lonely nights I’m thinking about you...Straight man you say? Today you should be ashamed to be straight it's best if you keep this dark secret to yourself.

 

I love you man. But...

 

[Medhia_Nox]

Straight men... they're still making those? 

[ManOfSteel]

As a straight man, both Cassandra and Josephine are fantastic. They're second and third to Leliana in Origins as my favourite options.

 

But at the end of the day, it's down to personal preference and the selection available to the character of a given race or gender is never going to please everyone. Either play as a female or romance someone of the same gender, if those characters are more appealing to you as romantic options.

[Ranadiel Marius]

As a straight man, I feel threatened and confused by any form of media that does not bend over backwards to cater to me. Therefore any such media must be killed with fire as it is clearly an attempt by the lizardmen to destroy our utopian society!

[SlottsMachine]

This was a good thread we should do it again sometime. 

[Medhia_Nox]

@Ranadiel Marius:  Well, to be fair, straight men have never had to "go without" before.  It's a classic case of single child syndrome.  For many single children it is literally incomprehensible that they are not the center of the universe... having spent so much time in the delusional world of their family unit.

 

Straight men need our compassion right now - the transition to realizing there are other people in the world will not be an easy one.

[CorniliuS]

No its just... my heart is bleeding for all those zoophiliacs, in what kind society we living if this people have no love interest in the game? But Straight men have two! TWO KARL! You call this democracy? I think we should do more and be more! I admit with necrophiliacs its much easier you just toss them any dead body and boom love interest shame they vaporize so quickly it should be fixed too.

[Fullmetall21]

Isn't it a little bit late to discuss the romances? AGAIN? this has been a topic of discussion even a long time before the release of the game. One thing I really don't like about these kind of discussions is how people say that straight females had limited options in the past (in a completely different franchise on top of that) so it is only fair or a step in the right direction for males to have limited options in DAI. That is so wrong and not fair in the slightest. Talking Dragon Age, male and female players had always the same (or almost the same straight males might had like 1 extra don't really remember) options in terms of romances. In DAI straight males only get 1 unique romance you can't experience as a female protagonist. What happened in Mass Effect and what not, is completely irrelevant to the discussion as it is a completely different franchise.

 

That being said, I personally don't care to much about it as I play both male and female characters and I am fairly pleased with how the Cassandra romance was handled, however I get where these rants are coming from.

[Thibax]

Bioware, just forget the romances in the next game, please!

 

So we don't need to see more gender / romances fighting topics here. 

 

Oh God! Spare me the lecture.

 

...I wanna be a woman, I wanna be a man, I wanna be straight, I wanna be gay, I wanna be bi... 

... female trailer, male trailer...

 

bla bla bla bla bla

 

Now the writers need to have a quota for characters because everybody wants representation. Poor writers, they can't decide how to create their stories.

[X Equestris]

As a straight man, I'm quite happy with the romance options. These things are subjective, and you can never please everyone. People complain about DAO and DA2's options, as well.

[sorentoft]

Agree that Sera should have been a romance option as well, as she is my fav companion in that game, but haven't straight males always had a choice of two LI's?

 

DAO - Leliana & Morrigan

DA2 - Isabela & Merrill

DAI - Cassandra & Josephine

 

So it's not as though the LI's have decreased.

No, they haven't. As someone that adores both Cassandra and Josephine I'll try and articulate why some people have a problem with the ones in DAI. What it essentially boils down to is a mix of several factors. First off as you can see DA titles previously had the traditional sexy female character (Leliana, Morrigan & Isabella), while Cassandra and Josephine are both straight up embarrassed by any mention of romance. Then there is the issue of Josephine not being a companion, which, I suppose, can lessen her significance a bit to the player - I mean, you are not taking her out on adventures. In my first playthrough I took Cassandra everywhere, just like I took Merrill everywhere or Leliana everywhere in the previous games, you just don't get the same experience with Josephine. So it isn't actually the exact same as previous titles, you do have a bit less. Then, lastly, there is the illusion of fewer choices created by the options available to a bi female inquisitor, where you can basically bang anyone with legs. And yes, I do say bi, mostly because when I play female characters U have a tendency to play a bi character and I suppose given the OP I am not the only one.

 

That said, personally I am fine with the choices in DA:I. Would've liked more romance options, of course (who wouldn't?), but Cass and Josephine is fine by me.

[corkey sweet]

Yeah, i gotta agree with op on this one. The romance options are really weak this time around for the straight male. Josephine and Casandra or ok but kinda unattractive. Needed atleast one more to offset them so i think Sera should have swung both ways and it would have been fine. Seems like bioware spent to much time trying to please everyone else and through together the straight romances last minute 

[BronzTrooper]

Isn't it a little bit late to discuss the romances? AGAIN? this has been a topic of discussion even a long time before the release of the game. One thing I really don't like about these kind of discussions is how people say that straight females had limited options in the past (in a completely different franchise on top of that) so it is only fair or a step in the right direction for males to have limited options in DAI. That is so wrong and not fair in the slightest. Talking Dragon Age, male and female players had always the same (or almost the same straight males might had like 1 extra don't really remember) options in terms of romances. In DAI straight males only get 1 unique romance you can't experience as a female protagonist. What happened in Mass Effect and what not, is completely irrelevant to the discussion as it is a completely different franchise.

 

I assume this is a jab at my original post on this thread?

 

If we take DA:I as an isolated case, yes, it does seem unfair.  But if you take into account how often straight men are pandered to in gaming as a whole, it removes quite a bit of the unfairness.  Especially since BW is one of the few developers that's willing to make romances for gamers beyond just the straight male majority.

 

There are times when you should take events on a case-by-case basis, and there are times where you should acknowledge past events in order to examine current ones.  This is one of the latter.

[Fullmetall21]

I assume this is a jab at my original post on this thread?

 

If we take DA:I as an isolated case, yes, it does seem unfair.  But if you take into account how often straight men are pandered to in gaming as a whole, it removes quite a bit of the unfairness.  Especially since BW is one of the few developers that's willing to make romances for gamers beyond just the straight male majority.

 

There are times when you should take events on a case-by-case basis, and there are times where you should acknowledge past events in order to examine current ones.  This is one of the latter.

 

As I said, I personally don't have issues with how the romances turned out in DAI. However I really don't see how the romance option in ME or BG or whatever effect the decision to limit male option so much in the first place. An eye for an eye is not a healthy point of view, just because female gamers had limited options in the past guess what, male gamers should get the same treatment.

 

Dragon age in general kept things quite equal until DAI. In origins you had 4 options  1 straight female, 1 straight male and 1 of each bisexual companions. In DA2 you could romance whoever you wanted since everyone was bisexual (not a good design if you ask me which is why I suppose it was changed). Then we get to DAI where straight males are limited to 2 options (1 of which female characters can experience in the same manner) while straight females get 3 unique romances (cullen, solas, blackwall) and 1 that is available to gay male characters as well.

 

If you look at it from the unique romance side, straight females get 3 times what males get, which wouldn't be such an issue if the number of options straight males have wasn't limited to 1. Even Mass Effect 2, which was arguably the most imbalanced in that matter (from what I personally have played) had 2 very unique option for straight females.

[Shechinah]

Bioware, just forget the romances in the next game, please!

 

Now the writers need to have a quota for characters because everybody wants representation. Poor writers, they can't decide how to create their stories.

 

I feel I should note the irony in telling Bioware to forget about romances while in the same post lamenting how Bioware are not allowed to decide how create their own stories.
 

[Teddie Sage]

Make a feminine looking male quiz (elf) for Cassandra, problem solved. ¬_¬
No, seriously... If you think Josie is ugly and Cassandra too butch, you got a serious problem. I think they're pretty.
Heck, I'm still frustrated Cass wasn't a bisexual option for my lesbian inquisitor. Though I'm happy she had her happy ending with Josie.

[Bfler]

DA needs some appealing black ladies. Vivienne with her bald head looks like an African bush-woman, what, I guess, isn't very appealing for the majority of male players. Somebody like e.g. Brooks in the Citadel DLC of ME 3 would be better.

[Dr. rotinaj]

Yeah, i gotta agree with op on this one. The romance options are really weak this time around for the straight male. Josephine and Casandra or ok but kinda unattractive. Needed atleast one more to offset them so i think Sera should have swung both ways and it would have been fine. Seems like bioware spent to much time trying to please everyone else and through together the straight romances last minute 

 

Yeah... no. The thing about this topic that bugs me the most is how I am lumped into this "straight male gamer" category and have people speaking for me. I don't believe that the options were weak at all, I found both Cass and Josie to be very attractive. In fact, I think Cass is the best looking female in DA.

 

Why is it that this vocal minority has to be so loud? We don't see people complaining about their options nearly as much. What if gay males don't want to choose between an 8 foot horned mountain of muscle and an arrogant dude with a funny moustache? What if gay females don't want to choose between Josie and the crude and ignorant Sera? Why aren't they complaining about their options like the "straight male gamers"? Oh wait that's right, it's not all about the options, it's about how many straight males get.

 

I've yet to see an argument for "straight male options" not turn into "I don't get the most options". Your last sentence sums it up perfectly. 
 

Seems like bioware spent to much time trying to please everyone else and through together the straight romances last minute

 

Now lets move some of those words around

 

Seems like bioware spent to much time trying to please straight males  and through together everyone else's romances last minute

 

Now you have a description of every game for the past forever.

[BronzTrooper]

As I said, I personally don't have issues with how the romances turned out in DAI. However I really don't see how the romance option in ME or BG or whatever effect the decision to limit male option so much in the first place. An eye for an eye is not a healthy point of view, just because female gamers had limited options in the past guess what, male gamers should get the same treatment.

 

I'm not saying that's what should happen.  I'm just saying that straight male gamers complaining the one time they aren't pandered to is rather stupid.

 

Dragon age in general kept things quite equal until DAI. In origins you had 4 options  1 straight female, 1 straight male and 1 of each bisexual companions. In DA2 you could romance whoever you wanted since everyone was bisexual (not a good design if you ask me which is why I suppose it was changed). Then we get to DAI where straight males are limited to 2 options (1 of which female characters can experience in the same manner) while straight females get 3 unique romances (cullen, solas, blackwall) and 1 that is available to gay male characters as well.

 

Sebastian was added as a LI for f!Hawke only via his DLC, so even then, female gamers technically had more options (I say 'technically' since many players were disappointed with his romance).

 

As for Cullen and Solas, they have restrictions too.  Cullen is only available to human and elven f!Inquisitors while Solas only available to elven f!Inquisitors.  You can't romance either of them if you want to play f!Cadash or f!Adaar.  Granted, it's not exactly something that would stop a lot of people since most people go with human Inquisitors, but still.

 

If you look at it from the unique romance side, straight females get 3 times what males get, which wouldn't be such an issue if the number of options straight males have wasn't limited to 1. Even Mass Effect 2, which was arguably the most imbalanced in that matter (from what I personally have played) had 2 very unique option for straight females.

 

tbf, both Cullen and Solas were added on as 'extra' LIs because BW had extra time on their hands.  Since the amount of female characters was exhausted in terms of romances by that point, it's not surprising that the added LIs ended up being male (especially not in Cullen's case).  Yes, Harding could've been made into a full LI, but 1) she wasn't an adviser or a companion, and 2) she didn't really have much content in vanilla DA:I when compared to everyone else.

 

I think it's more that BW was working with what they had at the point they realized they had extra time to work on 2 additional romances.  Sera was already available to f!Inquisitors, Josephine was already openly available, Cassandra was already available to m!Inquisitors, and Vivienne was already non-romanceable, as was Leliana.  Meanwhile, there was Dorian, Iron Bull, Blackwall, Varric, Cole, Solas, and Cullen for the male characters, 1 of which had been non-romanceable since DA2, and another of which wouldn't have made much (if any) sense as a LI.  So BW likely decided to go with Solas and Cullen due to them being the easiest to form into LIs.

 

At least, that's how I see it.  There were more male characters to choose from for additional LIs than there were female characters.  It might just be that simple rather than it being BW pandering to straight women.

[robertthebard]

Feel free to take from mine, mate.

That's a lot of popcorn...

[KaiserShep]

DA needs some appealing black ladies. Vivienne with her bald head looks like an African bush-woman, what, I guess, isn't very appealing for the majority of male players. Somebody like e.g. Brooks in the Citadel DLC of ME 3 would be better.

A bush woman? What the hell. Lady walks into a room decked to the 9's in a magical technicolor dream coat and she looks like she lives in the bush? This is indeed a disturbing universe.

[daveliam]

<snip>

Dragon age in general kept things quite equal until DAI.

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DA: O -

• Straight guys - 2
• Straight ladies - 2
• Gay guys - 1
• Lesbians - 1

DA2 -

• Straight guys - 2
• Straight ladies - 3
• Gay guys - 2
• Lesbians - 2

DA: I -

• Straight guys - 2
• Straight ladies - 4
• Gay guys - 2
• Lesbians - 2

Yes, the number of options for straight ladies has increased by 1 each game until they now have double the options of everyone else.

 

But DA: O is hardly a good model for 'equal' options, as straight guys and gals had double the options of gay guys and lesbians (exactly what you are complaining about in DA: I) with the added shortcoming of not even getting a choice in their LI.  Gay guys had to take Zevran and lesbians had to take Leliana or opt of the romance content altogether.

 

Again, straight guys have the same number of options as always.  The only thing that's changed is that you don't like your options this time around.  Not liking your options =/= as not having options.  There's, literally, no way possible for Bioware to meet everyone's subjective "wants" in a romance option.  Sometimes you hit gold and like both of your options.  Sometimes you strike out and don't like either of them.  Either way, it's not a big deal.