Asari also solve the problem with maintenance. They just need a supply of nutrient paste. We don't need Geth or even Collectors.
It would also make for an interesting moment in the story when we come out of stasis with all of the Asari 250 (or so) older than they were when we went into stasis.
How would the collector ship have the technology to go between galaxies? I don't think the protheans or collectors could really go between galaxies? *within 200 years
I mean, even the collector ships probably used the mass relays to reduce travel time for traveling hundreds of thousands of light years.
2 million light years.... that's twenty times the span of the Milky Way. The mass relay makes it possible to jump across the Milky Way galaxy in a matter of hours, but without the mass relay, even with FTL drives, it would take hundreds of years. Hundreds of years times twenty. Thousands.
So, in addition to the collector ship, we need a surprise mass relay in the other galaxy. Something as mysterious as the omega relay, except that it winds up in another galaxy, not the center of the Milky Way.
Don't get me wrong here, I do think it's a good idea and I'd be happy if we'd get something as elaborate and relatively well routed in the established lore. All I'm saying is that I think BW will want to make this as easy to understand as possible for newcomers and it's way easier to explain common scifi tropes than a relatively complex setup, even if that does fit lore better. It's not a jab against you or the theory and who knows, maybe I am underestimating them and we will something like it.
(I assume you are talking about the difficulty of explaining cryogenic sleep on a Collector ship and worm hole travel.) I am no sci-fi fan but am more familiar with c. sleep than wormholes. I have seen cryogenic sleep portrayed in the Alien(s) movie series and in the Red Dwarf tv series. The only portrayal of worm hole travel I am aware of is in the recent movie Interstellar -- which actually might be a reason for Bioware to avoid that route.
The OP seems to have a great idea. All they need is to add a scene like this:
I like the idea of using a Collector controlled ship containing abductees and then having them escape as suggested by AhGlock in this thread. This could allow for story and background explanation as part of the early plot as the abductees take over the ship. The problems are: how did the Collector ship end up in Andromeda; and the question of why the abductees were not processed immediately (as in ME2) and instead put into c. sleep.
Edit; just for fun, there is another movie with wormhole travel, which Addictress reminded me of:
nice idea but waste of time. anything coming from outside gets automatically destroyed. company policy by most gaming developer companies.
You know what. I do not know know if they actually read my comment years ago, but there was a suggestions - what should they do now thread in the old BSN where I suggested the use of the tv series Star trek Voyageur as a possible model for the next game. Other people may have made similiar suggestions -- leaving the galaxy, breaking away from the original series and the controversy over ME3 ending, returning to the feeling of holy cow this is space!. The idea for MEA had to come from somewhere.
I think its great that people throw out new ideas and engage in this kind of creative churn.
How would the collector ship have the technology to go between galaxies? I don't think the protheans or collectors could really go between galaxies? *within 200 years
I mean, even the collector ships probably used the mass relays to reduce travel time for traveling hundreds of thousands of light years.
2 million light years.... that's twenty times the span of the Milky Way. The mass relay makes it possible to jump across the Milky Way galaxy in a matter of hours, but without the mass relay, even with FTL drives, it would take hundreds of years. Hundreds of years times twenty. Thousands.
So, in addition to the collector ship, we need a surprise mass relay in the other galaxy. Something as mysterious as the omega relay, except that it winds up in another galaxy, not the center of the Milky Way.
Actually, without Mass Relays it would take the ships of our cycle(provided they didn't have to discharge) only 22.8154 years to cross the Milky Way. Ships with Reaper-tier drives, which don't need to discharge, like the Black Arks can cross the galaxy in 9.1261 years.
As for going between galaxies, Bioware already established they can since the Reapers had Black Arks hanging deep in Dark Space like them then come into the galaxy without Mass Relays.
Actually, without Mass Relays it would take the ships of our cycle(provided they didn't have to discharge) only 22.8154 years to cross the Milky Way. Ships with Reaper-tier drives, which don't need to discharge, like the Black Arks can cross the galaxy in 9.1261 years.
As for going between galaxies, Bioware already established they can since the Reapers had Black Arks hanging deep in Dark Space like them then come into the galaxy without Mass Relays.
I guess the reapers upgraded the collector tech. It would seem the collectors could just run away during their protgean cycle had they been that fast and powerful in their day
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Why would the Collectors run away from the Reapers? The Collectors are Protheans that the Reapers turned into husks. That's why Collectors have Reaper-tier technology, because they are Reaper technology.
Why would the Collectors run away from the Reapers? The Collectors are Protheans that the Reapers turned into husks. That's why Collectors have Reaper-tier technology, because they are Reaper technology.
I said "run away during their Prothean cycle"
I'm referring to when they were Protheans.
Because the Protheans didn't have the technology. Collectors use Reaper technology, not Prothean technology.
yes that was my comment.Because the Protheans didn't have the technology. Collectors use Reaper technology, not Prothean technology.
yes that was my comment.
Anyways 22 years to span a galaxy seems kind of too optimistic. Too powerful biower
No, you said the Collectors should have run away when they were Protheans, to which I pointed out they couldn't since they weren't advanced enough. That potential was only unlocked after the Reapers turned them into the Collectors.
That's how the math comes out. Besides, compared to the Mass Relay Network which can get a ship across the galaxy in a matter of hours or days a sojourn of a quarter century is very underpowered. Especially since at our level of tech we can't run continuously like that so it'd be slower in practice.
Actually, without Mass Relays it would take the ships of our cycle(provided they didn't have to discharge) only 22.8154 years to cross the Milky Way. Ships with Reaper-tier drives, which don't need to discharge, like the Black Arks can cross the galaxy in 9.1261 years.
As for going between galaxies, Bioware already established they can since the Reapers had Black Arks hanging deep in Dark Space like them then come into the galaxy without Mass Relays.
Not exactly. You see from this graphic taken at the end of ME2 the reapers were about 150,000 LY from the Milky Way. They were in Dark Space.
Now, it took the Reapers less than 6 months to get to the Alpha Relay from this position if we assume the correct time sequence of Arrival taking place six months after the destruction of the Collectors.
This means that the reapers traveled at 825 light years per day. NOT 30 light years per day as is in the Codex. The Codex was wrong about the reaper drives. It was based upon what was observed with Sovereign who was moving around at near idle speeds so as not to leave his Geth minions in his dust.
This means that if we divide 2.5 million by 825 ly/day it will tell us how many days it will take us to get there using a reaper at full throttle. That's 3033.33 days. Now let's be a little generous and say that we're reverse engineering these drives and can only coax 100 ly/day out of them. That's 25000 days. OR 68 years.
Now with the "codex" reaper drives 30 ly/day it would take 228 years to make the journey. This is the time frame I think Bioware has in mind.
MAybe, but as I recall the Collectorship was obliterated by my ships Thanix cannon..... I'm guessing the OP didn't upgrade Thanix cannons.
There wasn't much left.
The OP is referring to the fact there is more than one Collector Cruiser. There was the one that was destroyed on Fehl Prime in Mass Effect: Paragon Lost and then many more showed up during the Reaper War.
Not exactly. You see from this graphic taken at the end of ME2 the reapers were about 150,000 LY from the Milky Way. They were in Dark Space.
Now, it took the Reapers less than 6 months to get to the Alpha Relay from this position if we assume the correct time sequence of Arrival taking place six months after the destruction of the Collectors.
This means that the reapers traveled at 825 light years per day. NOT 30 light years per day as is in the Codex. The Codex was wrong about the reaper drives. It was based upon what was observed with Sovereign who was moving around at near idle speeds so as not to leave his Geth minions in his dust.
This means that if we divide 2.5 million by 825 ly/day it will tell us how many days it will take us to get there using a reaper at full throttle. That's 3033.33 days. Now let's be a little generous and say that we're reverse engineering these drives and can only coax 100 ly/day out of them. That's 25000 days. OR 68 years.
Now with the "codex" reaper drives 30 ly/day it would take 228 years to make the journey. This is the time frame I think Bioware has in mind.
That's true, but I attribute that more to Bioware not having the best concept of time when it comes to cutscenes. Like how Normandy going sublight speeds goes from Jupiter to the Charon Relay in less than a minute when it should take hours.
Like you said, it seems more likely they'd operate on the Codex speed rather than that cutscene since it takes place "long after the events of the trilogy", though if they do go by the overdrive that cutscene implies it still works.
Or is this the "Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale" trope.
Or is this the "Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale" trope.
Yeah I felt the image was meant to give a almost there, they are right outside the galaxy vibe and not a lets do the math based on being able to see the entire milky way and the proportions of the ships etc.
Though it does give them all the bull crap room they want if they decide MEA is 10 years away vs 200+ or 1,000 etc.
Someone else made a video talking about this theory:
For what is shown in today's trailer, it appears it is indeed an ark ship that goes to Andromeda.
There does seem to be quite a few similarities.
This is actually very well thought out and reminded me of something. The VI iirc from the Protheans could be a point of information if this ship was based on Prothean technology altered or also retrofitted in some manner by the Reapers for Reaper purposes. Therefore, retrofitting lore wise could work.
The Illusive Man was after the V.I which the Asari had locked away. This is very good theory because it does open up other avenues to put puzzle pieces together. Yep, Yep, Yeah. Really good.
There does seem to be quite a few similarities.
I noticed that as well. The whole trailer was exciting(I'm a big fan of space exploration) but seeing that ship immediately made me thing of the Black Arks, just with more of our stuff.
I approve of this theory, though i think its more likely the work on this project began shortly after Sovereign's attack, thus giving them a lot more time to assemble resources and modify the ship.
This is actually very well thought out and reminded me of something. The VI iirc from the Protheans could be a point of information if this ship was based on Prothean technology altered or also retrofitted in some manner by the Reapers for Reaper purposes. Therefore, retrofitting lore wise could work.
The Illusive Man was after the V.I which the Asari had locked away. This is very good theory because it does open up other avenues to put puzzle pieces together. Yep, Yep, Yeah. Really good.
You mean Vendetta? I think he only activated once Shepard or Javik entered the temple. That said, the Asari have accessed a lot of the rest of the data stored there so it's possible they came across something. Perhaps the Protheans managed to capture a Collector ship and were in the process of retrofitting it for their use when that project was attacked. Like Javik and Ilos, the location of the ship itself could have been hidden from the Reapers in a place the Reapers wouldn't think to look, like a system where the next cycle will need that information for them to fall into the designs of the harvest. The Reapers did that with the Prothean data cache on Mars, not realizing it also had the schematics to the Crucible in them.
I approve of this theory, though i think its more likely the work on this project began shortly after Sovereign's attack, thus giving them a lot more time to assemble resources and modify the ship.
That could be. While Mass Effect 2 establishes that most of the galaxy sees the Collectors as just a myth, it also implies that a lot of the governments know about them but keep their existence shrouded from the public. Perhaps while having a secret war against Collectors, the Alliance or the Citadel forces manage to capture one, using it to study the Collectors for weaknesses without letting it slip that they have it. Sort of like the Allied Nations not letting it slip to the Axis Powers that they had cracked the Enigma machine until they were ready to move.
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