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[Malanek]

Not exactly. You see from this graphic taken at the end of ME2 the reapers were about 150,000 LY from the Milky Way. They were in Dark Space.

I'm afraid using ME cut scenes to try and make estimations of distance in space is pretty pointless because they are not accurate. They are produced for dramatic effect rather than adherence to physics and scale. Rather ask yourself what is the point of them going all the way out 150,000 LY from the edge of the galaxy? The is  that there isn't any advantage so I would take the information in the codex as a much more reliable source.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I approve of this theory, though i think its more likely the work on this project began shortly after Sovereign's attack, thus giving them a lot more time to assemble resources and modify the ship.

That could be. We know the Collectors were attacking colonies before the beginning of Mass Effect 2, which is a month or so after the events of Mass Effect 1.

[Kabooooom]

I'm afraid using ME cut scenes to try and make estimations of distance in space is pretty pointless because they are not accurate. They are produced for dramatic effect rather than adherence to physics and scale. Rather ask yourself what is the point of them going all the way out 150,000 LY from the edge of the galaxy? The is that there isn't any advantage so I would take the information in the codex as a much more reliable source.

I agree. All they would have to do is sit right outside the edge of the galaxy and the sheer vastness of space would ensure they would never be accidentally discovered.

[AlanC9]

It's never been really clear why they needed to leave the galaxy at all, for that matter.

[Kabooooom]

It's never been really clear why they needed to leave the galaxy at all, for that matter.

Indeed, they could just hide in interstellar space for the same reason - space is so damn big they would never be found unless someone knew exactly where to look. Or hell, hide in the galactic core like the Collectors.

[Caldari Ghost]

I'm more excited in seeing whatever Bioware may have come up with. A fresh take on this topic would be a great opportunity to expand on the games' lore.

[KotorEffect3]

Probably not where bioware will go with it, but I really like the idea.

[Gamedam Meister]

That could be. We know the Collectors were attacking colonies before the beginning of Mass Effect 2, which is a month or so after the events of Mass Effect 1.

That could be too. It's not like the races of the Milky Way have ever kept secrets from the general public before. 

 

Probably not where bioware will go with it, but I really like the idea.

I'm glad you like it.

[Arcian]

I'm afraid using ME cut scenes to try and make estimations of distance in space is pretty pointless because they are not accurate. They are produced for dramatic effect rather than adherence to physics and scale. Rather ask yourself what is the point of them going all the way out 150,000 LY from the edge of the galaxy? The is  that there isn't any advantage so I would take the information in the codex as a much more reliable source.

You can actually calculate their Dark Space distance based on their established max speed (30 LY/day) and the 3~ years it took them to arrive in the galaxy after Sovereign was destroyed (which woke them up). That places their distance at around 30,000-32,000 light years, give or take a few months.

[SNascimento]

You can actually calculate their Dark Space distance based on their established max speed (30 LY/day) and the 3~ years it took them to arrive in the galaxy after Sovereign was destroyed (which woke them up), which was almost 3 years. That places their distance at around 30,000-32,000 light years, give or take a few months.

I'd say they were much closer. You have to consider the Repaers affinity for blunders. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That could be too. It's not like the races of the Milky Way have ever kept secrets from the general public before. 

Exactly.

[Arcian]

I'd say they were much closer. You have to consider the Repaers affinity for blunders. 

30,000 light years is actually unnecessarily far out if you consider the limits of galactic travel. They can't go longer than 50 hours without discharging, and that's, what, 25 light years?

One of the reasons I am so vehemently opposed to the whole Andromeda scenario - they don't have the technology to travel 25 light years without discharging, let alone 2.5 million light years. But you know, who gives a damn as long as Super MAC gets to keep his artistic integrity?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

30,000 light years is actually unnecessarily far out if you consider the limits of galactic travel. They can't go longer than 50 hours without discharging, and that's, what, 25 light years?

One of the reasons I am so vehemently opposed to the whole Andromeda scenario - they don't have the technology to travel 25 light years without discharging, let alone 2.5 million light years. But you know, who gives a damn as long as Super MAC gets to keep his artistic integrity?

We can't go longer than 50 hours. The Reapers solved the discharge problem so can go on theoretically forever. 

Though they were likely closer since six months of those three years was harvesting Batarian space.

[DarkLordAngel916]

maybe they  reverse engineer Black Ark aka Collector Cruiser?

[Arcian]

We can't go longer than 50 hours. The Reapers solved the discharge problem so can go on theoretically forever. 

Well, that's not a proven fact. The Citadel races have never been able to study an actual Reaper's insides (discounting Cerberus' and the Batarian Hegemony's not-so-successful attempts) to determine what they can and can't do, so all they have are assumptions based on what they've observed, assumptions that are fairly useless without real data. They are likely able to store a considerably larger charge, but the laws of physics dictates they can't store an unlimited charge. That's likely why their hull starts shooting lightning in all directions when they land or take off from planets.

[Arcian]

maybe they  reverse engineer Black Ark aka Collector Cruiser?

 
Quoting a post from another thread:
 

This is something that always bothered me about the 'Black Ark Theory' (using a captured Collector Ark to go to Andromeda). Why would the Reapers bother installing trans-galactic drives on Collector Ships? Their job seems to be to hang around in the Milky Way to provide back up for the Vanguard Reaper (though why Sovereign didn't use them during his assault on the Citadel is another question). Giving them fancy, non-discharging drives would risk the design falling into the hands of the current crop of MW species, who would then upgrade all their ships accordingly and make the job of harvesting them a heck of a lot harder.

[Sleeper_Tyrant]

Well, the possibility is that without discharging, the collectors can go about their business without being detected or reaching places that don't have Mass Relays.

[Eryri]

Well, the possibility is that without discharging, the collectors can go about their business without being detected or reaching places that don't have Mass Relays.

That's possible. But the Milky Way has plenty of Mass Relays all over it, most of which are unused by the council species. Furthermore, the relays can be locked to only permit safe passage for ships with a Collector / Reaper transponder, which was how they used the Omega Relay to the galactic core. If they had the same range as the Reapers then they could have hidden their base far from any relay, which would have been much more secure.

[Ahglock]

Quoting a post from another thread:

Comments like that fall into the sure but maybe they did group. There is far too much stupid in history and life to give it wouldn't happen because that's dumb any credence.

[Arcian]

Comments like that fall into the sure but maybe they did group. There is far too much stupid in history and life to give it wouldn't happen because that's dumb any credence.

I think my translator just glitched.

[Ahglock]

I think my translator just glitched.

Sorry at work and distracted.

I'm saying people do really stupid things all the time. so having a super drive in the collector ship even if it is a bad plan doesn't really have any influence on whether it would happen.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, the possibility is that without discharging, the collectors can go about their business without being detected or reaching places that don't have Mass Relays.

Yeah. Stealth is the name of the game for the Collectors. With a ship that can go any distance without discharging, they can operate without using Mass Relays and thus give away their presence to the systems around that Mass Relay.That's probably how the Collectors got the drop on all their targets. Instead of using the Mass Relay, they would just use their FTL until they are right on their target's doorstep, which we have seen numerous times gives the target no time to react. 

 

That's possible. But the Milky Way has plenty of Mass Relays all over it, most of which are unused by the council species. Furthermore, the relays can be locked to only permit safe passage for ships with a Collector / Reaper transponder, which was how they used the Omega Relay to the galactic core. If they had the same range as the Reapers then they could have hidden their base far from any relay, which would have been much more secure.

I can't think of anyplace more secure than the galactic core. Nobody in their right mind would want to go there, and even if they did as we have seen only a ship with the Reaper IFF can survive the journey. 

[Eryri]

I can't think of anyplace more secure than the galactic core. Nobody in their right mind would want to go there, and even if they did as we have seen only a ship with the Reaper IFF can survive the journey.

One could argue that the best kind of security is obscurity. If the Collectors had Reaper drives then all they would need to do to ensure complete privacy is to pick a random point 100 hours travel beyond any region of space with gas giants, and build their base there. This could be either beyond the galactic rim, above or below the disc, or perhaps in a low density region within the disc such as the relative voids between the spiral arms (forgive me if this isn't the case, I'm assuming those are empty but I'm not an astronomer). With nothing to discharge onto, none of the council ships would be physically capable of following them even if they knew where to look. That is, after all, the strategy that the Reapers themselves use out in darkspace.

The Omega Relay, by contrast, is a very conspicuous locked door. And it's a sad truth that if you go to the trouble of locking a door, some nosy so-and-so will wonder what was worth locking away and try to find a way in to steal it. As, indeed, Cerberus eventually did.

Edit: I'll admit though, that supermassive black hole did make for one hell of a cool backdrop.

[Pasquale1234]

I can't think of anyplace more secure than the galactic core. Nobody in their right mind would want to go there, and even if they did as we have seen only a ship with the Reaper IFF can survive the journey.

The IFF (identification friend or foe) was needed to safely traverse the Omega-4 relay. IFF is just a piece of hardware - a transponder - that exchanges signals with other systems as a means of identification.

I don't see how the presence of a particular IFF would have anything to do with traveling near a galactic core.

[echoness]

Great idea, but everybody near a Reaper parts and bits all ended up indoctrinated. Like Dr. Kenson and the batarians who collected a Reaper corpse and studied it. A Reaper drive core might not be the best option to solve discharge issues.