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[Gamedam Meister]

Great idea, but everybody near a Reaper parts and bits all ended up indoctrinated. Like Dr. Kenson and the batarians who collected a Reaper corpse and studied it. A Reaper drive core might not be the best option to solve discharge issues.

I'm glad you like it. 

That's why using a Collector drive core is better. There hasn't been any indication that Collector tech indoctrinates people like Reapers do, so there can be no danger. Plus Bioware introduced anti-indoctrination shielding in the Leviathan DLC, so they could use that. 

[Kabooooom]

We can't go longer than 50 hours. The Reapers solved the discharge problem so can go on theoretically forever.
Though they were likely closer since six months of those three years was harvesting Batarian space.

I believe this is incorrect. We know from the codex that primary relays are on average separated by thousands of light years. The Alpha relay is way out on the galactic periphery, and the Reapers would have to travel by FTL to the nearest relay in order to hook up to the network. ***This is the entire reason why blowing up the alpha relay and delaying them worked***.

If you calculate it based on the assumption that the Reapers didnt harvest Batarian space until shortly before ME3, then they travelled roughly 5,500 light years to the nearest relay. This fits VERY well with the codex description of the separation of primary relays, and it also fits very well with the position of the Alpha relay out on that galactic arm.

So no, it is quite easy to prove that the Reapers weren't harvesting Batarian space for the entirety of those six months. Much more likely, the didnt start until shortly before ME3 and were traveling through space the rest of the time. People dont realize just how huge space actually is. Relays, and colonies, are not located on each others doorsteps.

Also, to further provide evidence for this, in-game dialogue suggests the Batarian homeworld wasn't attacked until shortly before ME3 started.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

http://forum.bioware...ack-ark-theory/

[Iakus]

I'm glad you like it. 

That's why using a Collector drive core is better. There hasn't been any indication that Collector tech indoctrinates people like Reapers do, so there can be no danger. Plus Bioware introduced anti-indoctrination shielding in the Leviathan DLC, so they could use that. 

Except the indoctrination methods Cerberus used in ME3 was based on Collector tech.

[capn233]

Does the term "Black Ark" appear anywhere other than the Retaliation description?

[Gamedam Meister]

Except the indoctrination methods Cerberus used in ME3 was based on Collector tech.

Oh, where was that stated? 

 

Does the term "Black Ark" appear anywhere other than the Retaliation description?

No, that's the only place the term appears. 

[ArabianIGoggles]

Except the indoctrination methods Cerberus used in ME3 was based on Collector tech.

No they weren't. 

[Iakus]

No they weren't. 

Yes, they were.

 

Cerberus implants were based directly off those of the Collectors which allowed the Collector General to control them, and Harbinger to control the Collector General.

[ArabianIGoggles]

Yes, they were.

 

Cerberus implants were based directly off those of the Collectors which allowed the Collector General to control them, and Harbinger to control the Collector General.

That's reaper tech.  Harbinger controlled the general through reaper tech, not collector tech.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes, they were.

 

Cerberus implants were based directly off those of the Collectors which allowed the Collector General to control them, and Harbinger to control the Collector General.

Do you have a source?

I always saw it as it just being Reaper tech since that is around the galaxy, as we have seen in several side quests in ME1 and ME2. 

[ArabianIGoggles]

Do you have a source?

I always saw it as it just being Reaper tech since that is around the galaxy, as we have seen in several side quests in ME1 and ME2. 

The only "collector tech" ever mentioned in the game is in the Omega DLC, with those red barriers.

[Iakus]

That's reaper tech.  Harbinger controlled the general through reaper tech, not collector tech.  

 

Collector tech is Reaper tech

Do you have a source?

I always saw it as it just being Reaper tech since that is around the galaxy, as we have seen in several side quests in ME1 and ME2. 

I wish I could point out exactly where.  It might have been Sanctuary, or one of the earlier Cerberus missions.  Heck maybe even Retribution.  But there are notes about how Cerberus was studying the link the Collectors shared to control their troops.

[Kabooooom]

Collector tech is Reaper tech
I wish I could point out exactly where. It might have been Sanctuary, or one of the earlier Cerberus missions. Heck maybe even Retribution. But there are notes about how Cerberus was studying the link the Collectors shared to control their troops.

It's in Retribution or one of the books with the Grayson story arc. Cerberus recovers nanotech on the Collector base that, when injected, indoctrinates and slowly cyberizes the host. Grayson was the first one they tried it on. Hijinks ensued.

Later, they perfected it and used it for their shock troops. They were also using it on Horizon to study huskification and control the indoctrination signal.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Collector tech is Reaper tech

I wish I could point out exactly where.  It might have been Sanctuary, or one of the earlier Cerberus missions.  Heck maybe even Retribution.  But there are notes about how Cerberus was studying the link the Collectors shared to control their troops.

Ah, I know where you are referring to. You're referring to the ME3 mission with the Ex-Cerberus scientists. Dr. Brynn Cole, the leader of the group, studied that. However, it was about how the Reapers communicated with the Collectors, not indoctrination.

 

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"It's based on tech gathered from the Collectors. In essence, it involves dissecting Reaper-to-Collector communications. Dr. Horace Armstrong and I were working on a practical human application, an implant of sorts." 

 

It's in Retribution or one of the books with the Grayson story arc. Cerberus recovers nanotech on the Collector base that, when injected, indoctrinates and slowly cyberizes the host. Grayson was the first one they tried it on. Hijinks ensued.

Later, they perfected it and used it for their shock troops. They were also using it on Horizon to study huskification and control the indoctrination signal.

True, but that isn't Collector tech but Reaper tech. The Collectors had it to make some of the captured humans into Husks, Scions, and Praetorians, probably for the invasion. And as you said, it had to be injected(like with Dragon's Teeth) and not just a presence like actual Reapers. 

[Kabooooom]

True, but that isn't Collector tech but Reaper tech. The Collectors had it to make some of the captured humans into Husks, Scions, and Praetorians, probably for the invasion. And as you said, it had to be injected(like with Dragon's Teeth) and not just a presence like actual Reapers.

Yes, but he was specifically referring to tech harvested from the Collector base, and that "Collector" tech can indoctrinate (because its Reaper tech, as you point out). He couldn't remember where in the lore this came from (because it came from a book), but as I understood his post he was bringing it up as a possible counter to using any Collector tech for a "black ark" of sorts.

But you bring up a good point. The tech is probably identical to that which exists in Dragon's Teeth. Or at least pretty similar. It's obvious that the Adjutants are derived from a different sort of tech. They found many Reaper technologies on the Collector Base, but all of them require injection into a host or direct huskification of the host. So as you point out, there is zero evidence that the Collector base or ships can indoctrinate indirectly like Reapers can...but it would definitely be enough to make me think twice about converting it into an intergalactic ark, that's for sure.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes, but he was specifically referring to tech harvested from the Collector base, and that "Collector" tech can indoctrinate (because its Reaper tech, as you point out). He couldn't remember where in the lore this came from (because it came from a book), but as I understood his post he was bringing it up as a possible counter to using any Collector tech for a "black ark" of sorts.

But you bring up a good point. The tech is probably identical to that which exists in Dragon's Teeth. Or at least pretty similar. It's obvious that the Adjutants are derived from a different sort of tech. They found many Reaper technologies on the Collector Base, but all of them require injection into a host or direct huskification of the host. So as you point out, there is zero evidence that the Collector base or ships can indoctrinate indirectly like Reapers can...but it would definitely be enough to make me think twice about converting it into an intergalactic ark, that's for sure.

True enough, though then again with enough desperation any idea looks promising. Plus as the Leviathan DLC pointed out we apparently developed anti-indoctrination shielding so perhaps they could put that into the ship's systems. Even if it doesn't stop indoctrination since there is none to be stopped, maybe it cuts off communication to the Reapers thus allowing it to be modified without the Reapers knowing.

[MalevolenceIV]

Something of note. Everyone seems to be assuming the Reapers would park themselves 'just' outside the Council species capabilities. The Reapers have been around for millions of years, it is unlikely every cycle's travel capacity was precisely the Council's of our cycle. So, it would behoove them to put a bit of extra space in the way, particularly if they can warp into the Citadel at any time (barring being sabotaged by the Protheans) 

[Monk]

So, if the ARK's black… wouldn't you call it the… BARK.  Or am i BARK'ing up the wrong vessel?

[Sigzy05]

 

I had this idea on a possible means of getting to Andromeda, so made this video to explain it and spark discussion.

 

My hypothesis is that rather than the Council or whoever is behind the ARKCON Pathfinder Initiative building an intergalactic ark, they instead capture a vessel that has already solved all the issues involved for them: the Black Ark aka Collector Cruiser. With the incident with James Vega on Fehl Prime, the Alliance and by extension the Council have extensive data on how the ships function so if one was able to be captured it could be utilized.

 

The four issues solved are:

Drive discharge: Being Reaper tech, the ship has solved the drive discharge issue. 

Crew/passenger support: It has advanced stasis pods which can either be used or swapped out with other stasis pods like Prothean ones.

Size: It is the size of a Reaper Dreadnought yet hollow so has plenty of space to build and store everything needed within. 

Time: Since the superstructure already exists, our cycle would only need a few months to retrofit it. 

 

I would appreciate any input.

 

How did the council get their hands on the collector tech? I for one destroyed the base of the collectors and I'm pretty sure the ship that attacked us did not  survive. I did not upload any info about it to Cerberus and as far as I know the council didn't even acknowledged that the collectors were a real threat. I did not yet seen the animated movie though, however after destroying the main base I don't know if there were any ships left.

 

Making it reaper tech makes things even harder to explain in my point of view, and they could not control reaper tech still at the end of ME3 so I wouldn't understand why they would try to use it and if reapers could travel already to Andromeda or other galaxies then I would expect them to be in Andromeda or throughout the Universe, it's only said in the game that they could reach dark space which is out of the Milky Way but near it's boarders.

 

As far as I'm concerned, it would be more understandable if they found a prototype for the arch, to be either Levithian or Prothean. And Protheans had already figured the mass relays to the point where they built one on Ilos as a connection to the citatel.

[Sigzy05]

Double post sorry

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How did the council get their hands on the collector tech? I for one destroyed the base of the collectors and I'm pretty sure the ship that attacked us did not  survive. I did not upload any info about it to Cerberus and as far as I know the council didn't even acknowledged that the collectors were a real threat. I did not yet seen the animated movie though, however after destroying the main base I don't know if there were any ships left.

In the animated film Mass Effect: Paragon Lost, James Vega gets extensive data on the Collectors including data about their ships. He gives this data to Anderson and Hackett at the end of the film. There is also more than one Collector ship. There is the one we destroy in the galactic center, there is the one that crashes onto Fehl Prime, and there are the ones the Reapers call in during the Reaper War which is after Mass Effect 2. Those ships were hiding in dark space. 

 

Making it reaper tech makes things even harder to explain in my point of view, and they could not control reaper tech still at the end of ME3 so I wouldn't understand why they would try to use it and if reapers could travel already to Andromeda or other galaxies then I would expect them to be in Andromeda or throughout the Universe, it's only said in the game that they could reach dark space which is out of the Milky Way but near it's boarders.

We would control Reaper tech by the end of Mass Effect 3. We had mass-produced weapons based off Reaper tech, and even technology that blocks indoctrination. 

 

Personally I would love if the Reapers have been to other galaxies. It creates a solution for several issues about going to a new galaxy and lets us have iconic things in the new games like Mass Relays. The Reapers not being there could be explained as they were all in the Milky Way harvesting, thus are not an issue.

 

As far as I'm concerned, it would be more understandable if they found a prototype for the arch, to be either Levithian or Prothean. And Protheans had already figured the mass relays to the point where they built one on Ilos as a connection to the citatel.

I would hate if the Ark is a Prothean Project. It would shatter disbelief for me since if this culture was advanced enough to built the Conduit, Crucible, and now the Ark, they should not have lost against the Reapers. I'm tired of every solution to every problem being "because the Protheans". 

[Sigzy05]

In the animated film Mass Effect: Paragon Lost, James Vega gets extensive data on the Collectors including data about their ships. He gives this data to Anderson and Hackett at the end of the film. There is also more than one Collector ship. There is the one we destroy in the galactic center, there is the one that crashes onto Fehl Prime, and there are the ones the Reapers call in during the Reaper War which is after Mass Effect 2. Those ships were hiding in dark space. 

 

We would control Reaper tech by the end of Mass Effect 3. We had mass-produced weapons based off Reaper tech, and even technology that blocks indoctrination. 

 

Personally I would love if the Reapers have been to other galaxies. It creates a solution for several issues about going to a new galaxy and lets us have iconic things in the new games like Mass Relays. The Reapers not being there could be explained as they were all in the Milky Way harvesting, thus are not an issue.

 

I would hate if the Ark is a Prothean Project. It would shatter disbelief for me since if this culture was advanced enough to built the Conduit, Crucible, and now the Ark, they should not have lost against the Reapers. I'm tired of every solution to every problem being "because the Protheans". 

 

The Protheans did not built the Cruciple nor the Conduit, the Cruciple was built by other species and then passed along the vast millenniums onto other life cycles. The conduit was built by the Levithian, the intelligence that controlled the reapers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Protheans did not built the Cruciple nor the Conduit, the Cruciple was built by other species and then passed along the vast millenniums onto other life cycles. The conduit was built by the Levithian, the intelligence that controlled the reapers.

The Conduit is the Mass Relay on Ilos that leads to the Citadel you were talking about. 

And the Protheans finished the Crucible. The only thing they needed was to connect it to the Citadel, but they couldn't. But they left that data for us, more complete than any other cycle. 

The Leviathans created the Catalyst, not the Conduit. 

 

Bioware likes using terms that start with C for super technology in Mass Effect.

[Sigzy05]

The Conduit is the Mass Relay on Ilos that leads to the Citadel you were talking about. 

And the Protheans finished the Crucible. The only thing they needed was to connect it to the Citadel, but they couldn't. But they left that data for us, more complete than any other cycle. 

The Leviathans created the Catalyst, not the Conduit. 

 

Bioware likes using terms that start with C for super technology in Mass Effect.

 

Oh yeah I got them confused XD

 

However, even though I see your point in what comes to the reapers in other galaxies, I just think it would be a little too much. I mean it would make any super tech ancient civilization's fall predictable. "Why did they die?" Answer: Reapers. It would also pretty much guarantee that the Levithian would be around in other galaxies also in hiding, since they pretty much built the Reapers.

[Jimbo_Gee79]

The idea is solid enough. Are they supposed to have captured it during the events of 2 or 3?