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[Amne YA]

 he will be killing his people :/  

[Medhia_Nox]

@Amne YA:  The Inquisition are his people in my canon playthrough.

[BansheeOwnage]

 he will be killing his people :/  

Or us. We'll see!

[Dai Grepher]

My prediction is that these Qunari will be considered Tal-Vashoth by Par Vollen, but they will consider themselves true Qunari because they learned the truth about their origin, revealed to them by Solas, most likely, and Par Vollen refuses to recognize the truth because it would be too destructive to the Qun.

[BansheeOwnage]

My prediction is that these Qunari will be considered Tal-Vashoth by Par Vollen, but they will consider themselves true Qunari because they learned the truth about their origin, revealed to them by Solas, most likely, and Par Vollen refuses to recognize the truth because it would be too destructive to the Qun.

I like it!

[Dai Grepher]

Thanks. That way, Iron Bull can help the Inquisition fight this threat as a Tal-Vashoth, or he can help the Inquisition crush these Tal-Vashoth as a Qunari.

[Super Drone]

sounds like a cop out. Every group you fight can't always be the "not real" version of the group. Not-Real Templars, not-real mages. 

 

You have the potential to fight and kill companions in the last act of DA2. They should make you bite the bullet on the Bull.

[The Baconer]

My prediction is that these Qunari will be considered Tal-Vashoth by Par Vollen, but they will consider themselves true Qunari because they learned the truth about their origin, revealed to them by Solas, most likely, and Par Vollen refuses to recognize the truth because it would be too destructive to the Qun.

 

The Past, Present, and Future panel implied otherwise.

 

Not that it should matter either way, you can only pull the "lol jk guise" so many times.

[Yaroub]

sounds like a cop out. Every group you fight can't always be the "not real" version of the group. Not-Real Templars, not-real mages. 

 

You have the potential to fight and kill companions in the last act of DA2. They should make you bite the bullet on the Bull.

 

Yes , i'd like to kill him.

[Potato Cat]

I hope these people are people that Bull knows, so that no matter what, he goes through some kind of emotional turmoil due to having some personal connection to everyone involved.

[Dabrikishaw]

I wouldn't mind having to kill the Iron Bull if he remained Qunari.

[NoForgiveness]

I hope these people are people that Bull knows, so that no matter what, he goes through some kind of emotional turmoil due to having some personal connection to everyone involved.

Evil! Like it! Pour the drama on!

[Scofield]

would it be to nasty to think this might have been the Qun n Bulls plan all along regardless of charger outcome, maybe Bull's mission was actually not to test bull but to see how the Inquisitor works?

 

to much prob eh?

[xPez]

The Past, Present, and Future panel implied otherwise.

 

Not that it should matter either way, you can only pull the "lol jk guise" so many times.

 

What part of it implied otherwise? The thought that these Qunari aren't the actual Qun did occur to me, but I agree it would too samey with the Venatori and evil mages and Red Templars etc.

 

Iron Bull has potential to be a huge moment of the DLC. I really hope that the side he fights for is locked in depending on your choices with him earlier in the game, and that once you start the DLC there is no chance to change him.

[The Baconer]

What part of it implied otherwise? The thought that these Qunari aren't the actual Qun did occur to me, but I agree it would too samey with the Venatori and evil mages and Red Templars etc.

 

To quote Laidlaw "It's going to introduce an all-new plot by the Qunari, who will provide a major antagonistic role, and you'll get to learn what they've been up to in the intervening years since Kirkwall."

 

EDIT: Also, from the GameInformer article: "We’ve tried to make sure that the characters who recognize the immediate threat – the Qunari have made a move, and that’s the challenge that comes up (...)"

[Dai Grepher]

sounds like a cop out. Every group you fight can't always be the "not real" version of the group. Not-Real Templars, not-real mages. 

 

You have the potential to fight and kill companions in the last act of DA2. They should make you bite the bullet on the Bull.

 

I don't see how it's a copout. I'm suggesting that these Qunari may consider themselves true Qunari because they accept the truth of their origins, while those in Par Vollen do not, thus making THEM the Tal-Vashoth in their eyes. Then of course the Qunari in Par Vollen don't want the truth to get out, so they declare this new faction to be Tal-Vashoth and send Hissrad after them. Heck, the female Qunari we see in the trailer has a tome strapped to her arm. Maybe she took the Tome of Koslun so she could make some world-shattering additions to it. So they wouldn't be fake Qunari, they would be more extremist Qunari.

 

I do agree that The Iron Bull should have a conflict here. The female Qunari should try to appeal to him to admit the truth about their species, and Iron Bull, having felt a connection to dragons himself, is conflicted between admitting that truth or following the Qun.

 

Based on whether he is Tal-Vashoth or not, he may join them or deny them. And it would be a good twist for the Inquisitor to have to fight The Iron Bull and then have to choose to kill him or not.

 

And I think killing him should have some sort of negative effect on Dorian if the two of them were close.
 

[Ariella]

To quote Laidlaw "It's going to introduce an all-new plot by the Qunari, who will provide a major antagonistic role, and you'll get to learn what they've been up to in the intervening years since Kirkwall."
 
EDIT: Also, from the GameInformer article: "We’ve tried to make sure that the characters who recognize the immediate threat – the Qunari have made a move, and that’s the challenge that comes up (...)"

Considering the implication of the trailer was that the female Qunari that spoke was the lead, we're not dealing with the Antaam. So it may be a case, like Kirkwall, of someone taking action not approved by the others.

And as I've said elsewhere, these guys seem to be making a little too free with magic.

[Yaroub]

I don't see how it's a copout. I'm suggesting that these Qunari may consider themselves true Qunari because they accept the truth of their origins, while those in Par Vollen do not, thus making THEM the Tal-Vashoth in their eyes. Then of course the Qunari in Par Vollen don't want the truth to get out, so they declare this new faction to be Tal-Vashoth and send Hissrad after them. Heck, the female Qunari we see in the trailer has a tome strapped to her arm. Maybe she took the Tome of Koslun so she could make some world-shattering additions to it. So they wouldn't be fake Qunari, they would be more extremist Qunari.

 

I do agree that The Iron Bull should have a conflict here. The female Qunari should try to appeal to him to admit the truth about their species, and Iron Bull, having felt a connection to dragons himself, is conflicted between admitting that truth or following the Qun.

 

Based on whether he is Tal-Vashoth or not, he may join them or deny them. And it would be a good twist for the Inquisitor to have to fight The Iron Bull and then have to choose to kill him or not.

 

And I think killing him should have some sort of negative effect on Dorian if the two of them were close.
 

 

This is actually interesting , i thought the qunari in the trailer are some special ops ben-hassrath , if that tome was Koslun's why they're having it with them?

[Super Drone]

I don't see how it's a copout. 

 

 

It's a cop out because creating an entirely new faction of dudes soley for the purpose of sparing you from killing Bull or regretting the Chargers decision is a cop out.

 

There is no reason for a brand new faction of Qunari to appear out of nowhere apart from your Fan Fiction. 

[Dai Grepher]

This is actually interesting , i thought the qunari in the trailer are some special ops ben-hassrath , if that tome was Koslun's why they're having it with them?

 

She might be trying to write in the "truth" (unconfirmed at this moment) that the Qunari descend from the Kossith, which were created by Tevinter magisters through magic and biological manipulation between human and dragon organisms.

[Ariella]

I'm (yet again) going to chalk this little shortcircuit to lack of sleep.

The Ben-Hassreth were concealing Hydra the whole time.

[Yaroub]

She might be trying to write in the "truth" (unconfirmed at this moment) that the Qunari descend from the Kossith, which were created by Tevinter magisters through magic and biological manipulation between human and dragon organisms.

 

But the text would be known to the qunari and their ego plus their "certainty" won't make such an act sufficient to radicalize Par Vollen community.

[Dai Grepher]

It's a cop out because creating an entirely new faction of dudes soley for the purpose of sparing you from killing Bull or regretting the Chargers decision is a cop out.

 

There is no reason for a brand new faction of Qunari to appear out of nowhere apart from your Fan Fiction. 

 

You write as if killing the Iron Bull were an option to begin with. No evidence suggests that BioWare ever intended to implement the choice for us to kill him. However, I disagree with your assertion that my idea spares us that choice. It could still work under the conditions I described in a previous post. It accounts for both paths taken in his personal quest.

 

What would prevent us from making the choice is if these Qunari are official, in which case a Bull who held to the Qun should be our enemy... unless he decided to become Tal-Vashoth just for this DLC so we could have him as an ally again. THAT would negate our choice in his personal quest, and force us to treat him as our ally no matter what.

 

That's funny, calling a PREDICTION fanfiction. Ha ha ha! Calm down and breathe slowly. I'm not trying to tell you how things are in the series. I'm just throwing out an idea that we all know is just speculation at this point.

[The Baconer]

Considering the implication of the trailer was that the female Qunari that spoke was the lead, we're not dealing with the Antaam. So it may be a case, like Kirkwall, of someone taking action not approved by the others.

 

Rasaan has accompanied the Antaam before. Or she could be Ben-Hassrath, which is the ultimate supply of convenient exceptions for all the Qun's problematic rules.

 

And as I've said elsewhere, these guys seem to be making a little too free with magic.

 

As we've already seen demonstrated, what is and isn't forbidden by the Qun depends entirely on what the Qun needs right now.

[lynroy]

 he will be killing his people :/  

I got over it.