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[Gileadan]

he will be killing his people :/

And? Human protagonists kill other humans by the hundreds in every DA game. Time for some diversity in the mass graves in our wake! Besides, if the Qunari think "hey, those Inquisition people defeated hundreds of demons, an ancient magister and almost a dozen dragons, but a bunch of us can probably take them", then they have it coming.

[BansheeOwnage]

He might not. It all depends on whether or not I decide to take him with me. He's just as likely to sit the whole thing out at Skyhold.

That may not be possible. All your companions will most certainly come with you to the Winter Palace, where the qunari will attack you. So it'll be impossible for Bull not to see that unless you don't recruit him.

[Nefla]

Either way he's mine now and they can't have him back!

[myahele]

I wonder what would be his reasoning to be fighting against the Qunari if we side with the Qunari thus making him closer to the Qun?

 

Unless they deemed Iron Bull a threat/ untrustworthy and plan on killing him anyways; hence, despite Bull's feeling he's got no choice but to fight them if he want to fight. That he's Tal Vasoth no matter what, lol

[Wolven_Soul]

She might be trying to write in the "truth" (unconfirmed at this moment) that the Qunari descend from the Kossith, which were created by Tevinter magisters through magic and biological manipulation between human and dragon organisms.

 

I missed that somewhere.  I remember Bull mentioning the Kossith, but I don't recall hearing about the Kossith being created by the Tevinter.  Where do you find out about that?

[Wolven_Soul]

But i fail to see what the qun have to do with the qunari origins , in the end qunaris are "people of the qun" be em humans , dwarves or elves.

 

True, any race that follows the Qun is Qunari, but non horned Qunari are usualy referred to as Vidathari.

[Wolven_Soul]

Killing the Arishok in DA2 was not shying away.

 

But then the Qunari basically disavowed him and everything he did.

[Cz-99]

That may not be possible. All your companions will most certainly come with you to the Winter Palace, where the qunari will attack you. So it'll be impossible for Bull not to see that unless you don't recruit him.

 

We shall see.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

True, any race that follows the Qun is Qunari, but non horned Qunari are usualy referred to as Vidathari.

 

Honestly, I think that's just something was explained that way for the audience convenience because there's a dev post somewhere from years back explaining that being Vidathari is a temporary state and that all Vidathari are expected to eventually become Qunari.

 

Anyway, regarding Bull, this actually strikes me as an opportunity for Bull's fate to be potentially decided by a persuade option if he's still a Qunari.

[Andreas Amell]

 he will be killing his people :/  

I hope the Inquisitor will get the chance to address that ****-up at the Storm Coast. The Qunari put the Inquisitor in a bad situation. 

[SweetTeaholic]

Copy and pasting this from another post I made, but I think it's very relevant to this one as well:

 

Calling it now; Qun!Bull isn't going to end well. Being this DLC is two years after the game; good chance Bull went back to Seahron or Pal Vollen and they had him go for a 'friendly' visit to the re-educators. By the time he shows up again: Iron Bull will be dead and Hissrad is now fully reborn.

 

Those people who love his character but let his men die are going to be in a rude awaking, even more so if romanced him. I can maybe, and this is a BIG maybe; could see if you did romance him or have at least high approval, it'll be much harder for him to fight against you which may have the Iron Bull come out for a bit and having to decide for good if he's willing to let someone else, a friend or lover; die for the Qun. Because everyone he ever cared about died for the Qun. And if this happens; I don't see it with him having a happy ending at all being now he lost TWO parts of himself. Both the Iron Bull and Hissrad. He'll most likely go into depression and disappear either after he helps you are just right after he makes his choice. And honestly, being doesn't have a support system in place to keep him leveled; he'll turn into those Tal-Vashoth he fought before.

 

Again, that's a huge maybe and I doubt that's going to happen; but it would be interesting.

 

As for Tal-Vashoth!Bull: He'll be loyal to you no matter what, I just can't see him turning his back to you (and if he does; I'm going to be furious being how OOC that would be); but he's going to have some baggage most likely. What do I mean by this?

 

Bull fought Tal Vashoth, who killed fellow Qunari, both friends and just random those who followed the Qun. Now he's Tal Vashoth himself; and he has no choice but to fight his former people. Do you know how much that would hurt? Grated, he isn't like those horrible people he did face off in Serahon nor did he go mad; but in his mind it's almost like his worst fear came true. 

 

Yes, he'll work though it, likely with the Inquisitor's help (especially if the two of them are romantically involved. How could they not?); but it'll still be a hard thing for him to go though. What I would love to see is that he goes into detail about what happened before he turned himself over to the re educators from what we heard in WoT2. This would be a huge character moment for him because this would be the first time he ever told anyone after all these years about what went down. Not even Krem knows about this, and they're best buds.

 

But he tells the Inquisitor, someone he respects, sees as a friend (and possibly lover if you choose); the reason why he was so afraid of turning his back from the Qun. And this would be a great moment to touch upon this with all the crap that's happening in Trespasser.

 

I'll be sorta disappointed if they don't. I'll live; but I'll be sorta kinda salty about it being how they missed there chance to do something for Bull's character arc.

 

 

Either way, Bull will likely go though some s**h; but I think Tal Vashoth!Bull will have a better (and hopefully) happier ending to his arc. 

 

BE HAPPY YOU BIG NERD!

[Wolven_Soul]

Honestly, I think that's just something was explained that way for the audience convenience because there's a dev post somewhere from years back explaining that being Vidathari is a temporary state and that all Vidathari are expected to eventually become Qunari.

 

Anyway, regarding Bull, this actually strikes me as an opportunity for Bull's fate to be potentially decided by a persuade option if he's still a Qunari.

 

So Vidathari is more like a trial membership?  I didn't know that.  Cool.  I like that term better though, Vidathari just rolls off the tongue better than Qunari I think.

[DuskWanderer]

I don't like the idea of only Qun!Bull doing something bad. While I support saying "screw the Qun", I hate it when BioWARE forces us to say that a choice was the right one (notably, not killing Wrex on Virmire. The story was better with him dead, but all I kept hearing was "It would be different if Wrex were here"

[xPez]

I missed that somewhere.  I remember Bull mentioning the Kossith, but I don't recall hearing about the Kossith being created by the Tevinter.  Where do you find out about that?

 

You don't, it's fan theory. 

[Dai Grepher]

I missed that somewhere.  I remember Bull mentioning the Kossith, but I don't recall hearing about the Kossith being created by the Tevinter.  Where do you find out about that?

 

In the conversation with Bull after the dragon slaying he mentions that Qunari are believed by some to have dragon blood, and I think he also says he feels some kind of connection with dragons.

 

There is a mosaic work that can be assembled and Gatsi points out that some are Qunari, but the horns were chipped away with a rock, probably because they had to do it quickly. The mosaic is likely from Tevinter.

 

Then there is the codex entry: Chronicles of a Forgotten War. It describes the Scaled Ones. It is implied that these creatures could be creations of the Tevinter Imperium.

 

Put it all together and you have a theory that the Scaled Ones are the Kossith, and they eventually became the Qunari. Bull states that the Qunari can't go back to the Kossith because they are too different, though it isn't said if the difference is philosophical or physical, or both.

 

It's possible that the Qunari are trying to suppress what the Kossith are in order to maintain order within the Qunari society. But this is all theory.

[Mr.House]

But then the Qunari basically disavowed him and everything he did.

And it makes perfect sense to do that. Arishok either fails and gets killed, or leaves with the tome but it gets stolen again thus failing again. Arishok fails either way and thus the Qunari have no military leader. Makes perfect sense they would disavow everything he did and even if they did do that, it does not change the fact that at that moment he attacked Kirkwall he WAS still Qunari and followed the Qun.

 

What Varric and Bull say in regards to him was simply Qunari PR.

[Jester]

In the conversation with Bull after the dragon slaying he mentions that Qunari are believed by some to have dragon blood, and I think he also says he feels some kind of connection with dragons.

 

There is a mosaic work that can be assembled and Gatsi points out that some are Qunari, but the horns were chipped away with a rock, probably because they had to do it quickly. The mosaic is likely from Tevinter.

 

Then there is the codex entry: Chronicles of a Forgotten War. It describes the Scaled Ones. It is implied that these creatures could be creations of the Tevinter Imperium.

 

Put it all together and you have a theory that the Scaled Ones are the Kossith, and they eventually became the Qunari. Bull states that the Qunari can't go back to the Kossith because they are too different, though it isn't said if the difference is philosophical or physical, or both.

 

It's possible that the Qunari are trying to suppress what the Kossith are in order to maintain order within the Qunari society. But this is all theory.

There's also Corypheus calling qunari race "A mistake" during the final mission, if you are a qunari. 

[Dai Grepher]

There's also Corypheus calling qunari race "A mistake" during the final mission, if you are a qunari. 

 

You're right. I forgot about that since I usually don't take The Iron Bull into the final battle.

 

Another one you just reminded me of is old god Kieran (again, doesn't happen in my canon playthrough), where he says he feels sorry for the Qunari Inquisitor because his/her blood isn't theirs.

[Equalitas]

Maybe the Qunari has a hidden weapon to control their special agents. Like the green magic one qunari is enveloped in.

[Scofield]

How they handle Bull in this DLC could/has the possibility to be the best thing about the whole dlc tbh, goddamn hurry up next week

[Yaroub]

True, any race that follows the Qun is Qunari, but non horned Qunari are usualy referred to as Vidathari.

 

Yeah but as jedi mentioned they're called Viddathari in the stage of converting , eventually they'll be known as qunari also.

[fizzypop]

Pretty sure he would do anything for Dorian's ass. I mean that literally.