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[Shechinah]

Was Dragon Age still Dragon Age after the team announced DAI took heavy inspiration from Skyrim?

 

I would consider so because Dragon Age: Inquisition sets itself in the Dragon Age setting and makes use of its lore.
 

[Ariella]

Yah yah! DAI sux. TW3 rox!

In all seriousness though, the people who're saying the Witcher series is 'ruined' for them because of all the Witcher fans trying to show BW down....I mean...lol wut? So someone trolls you a little and you get turned off a great game all together?

Why does this surprise you? It's not uncommon to judge a game or tv series, or series of books, or political candidates etc by how the supporters act. If TW fans act like trolls, it reflects negatively on TW.

As for a great game, that's subjective. I found it okay. Better than one or two, but not enough to justify buying it after the rental was up.

[Call Me Jord]

I'd kill for some Thedasian Gwent.

 

Spoiler

 

How about some Thedasian Rock Trolls?!

 

God bless those Rock trolls. 

 

Spoiler

 

 

I will remember you well, Sir Troll who conscripted me and then made me buy paint to paint a Redanian Bird for him. 

[Teddie Sage]

Could you please stop trolling the developers? If you want to play the Witcher so bad, go play the Witcher. Most of here don't care about your unholy obsession. Now go sacrifice a goat or something (I'm joking), we don't need you here unless you can bring actual feedback on the franchise and stop comparing it to The Witcher.

[Gaia300]

I will open another topic entitled

Do you think that Dutch's ghost is annoying?

[Teddie Sage]

 

I will open another topic entitled

Do you think that Dutch's ghost is annoying?

 

I honestly don't understand why they haven't banned him yet. 

[Beomer]

 

Why does this surprise you? It's not uncommon to judge a game or tv series, or series of books, or political candidates etc by how the supporters act. If TW fans act like trolls, it reflects negatively on TW.

 

 

No, judging anything by it's usergroup is what silly people do. Like how the majority of the world used to view video gaming as a children's pass time just because a lot of kids used to be into gaming.

I mean would you say CoD4 is a bad FPS because more than half the userbase behaves in an immature manner? Or that DotA is a bad MOBA because the community is pretty harsh on new users who don't know how to play?

A game or a book, or for that matter anything needs to be judged on it's merits and demerits. Judging it by it's userbase can be excused only if the person hasn't tried it himself. The very idea seems so outlandish that I can't find any word for how weird and illogical I think it is.

[Shechinah]

I honestly don't understand why they haven't banned him yet. 

 

Who you gonna call? - GHOSTBUSTERS! 
 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

The main story was dull and the ending was stupid beyond belief, the side quests in DA:I were fine and TW3 wasn't really all that better (find X, witcher sense, follow... blah), and I found the conversation delivery to be about equal, though I am more interested in what is going on in DA:Is since they have far better characters and I give a damn about more of them. 

 

See how opinions work?  TW3 didn't objectively do any of those better and I am damn tired of Witcher fans constantly plaguing boards for other games with "why aren't you more like my gaming saviour?!".  Seriously, if it continues it's going to start negatively impacting how I view TW3... to the point I might put it on the same mediocre tier as the first two Witcher games.

 

This 100% 

 

Or the fact that if BioWare did any game that was close to TW3 I swear the reaction would be:

BioWare is ripping off TW3! 

The BioWare game is nothing but a hollow TW3 clone!

If I wanted to play TW3 I will play the TW3 and not BioWare's clone!

BioWare is doomed!

BioWare sucks!

 

So please take these tired and boring threads somewhere else. The Witcher 3 is not the greatest thing since sliced bread and trying to promote to people like me who were on the fence about trying it, constantly shoving it down my throat is actually to get me NEVER to try the game. You have made your point now unless you have anything new add: please stop acting like a group of dumb asses.  

[Beomer]

I honestly don't understand why they haven't banned him yet. 

 

Regardless of whether he annoys anyone, it's a matter of free speech as long as it abides by the forum rules. Everyone is just as entitled to ignore his threads as he's entitled to post him. 

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

They're both really great games, though I find the Polish storytelling to have a different... I don't know... rhythm. It may even be due to translation issues. So I prefer the Canadians in that regard. Both games make great progress in making "open world" more interesting than Skyrim.

I have yet to play Witcher 3 (my copy is still gathering dust due to my inability to stop playing Da:I), but the point about difference in narrative rhythm is a very interesting and apt one. Having read a TON of fantasy and having grown up in an environment where the Witcher series is both mandatory reading and something of a rite of passage for any fantasy nerd (seriously, if you declare yourself a fantasy nerd here only then to admit you never read the Witcher, you will earn yourself some weird looks), I can only confirm that this comes directly from how the books are written. Their pace, structure and tone are completely different from anything else in the genre. Anything else written in English, that is. Compared to stuff like Lord of the Rings, it's much darker and cynical and unapologetic, but compared to, say, A Song of Ice and Fire, it's much more melancholy and wistful. It's got this odd schizophrenic dichotomy to it - one moment, it will be snarky and derisive, the next it's thoughtful and poetic in an almost naive way. Not to mention being influenced primarily by Slavic mythology, which tends to go to really dark places (this has to do with early Slavs adapting a lot of their original "pagan" culture into the later Christian tradition, thus perpetuating certain... aspects even after the cultural shift).

Also, interesting fact - I've even heard friends from abroad who loved the games say they were unable to get through the books because of how dissonant they were in comparison to what they were used to. Although I have no idea how good the English translations are so I can't judge.

[Beomer]

I have yet to play Witcher 3 (my copy is still gathering dust due to my inability to stop playing Da:I), but the point about difference in narrative rhythm is a very interesting and apt one. Having read a TON of fantasy and having grown up in an environment where the Witcher series is both mandatory reading and something of a rite of passage for any fantasy nerd (seriously, if you declare yourself a fantasy nerd here only then to admit you never read the Witcher, you will earn yourself some weird looks), I can only confirm that this comes directly from how the books are written. Their pace, structure and tone are completely different from anything else in the genre. Anything else written in English, that is. Compared to stuff like Lord of the Rings, it's much darker and cynical and unapologetic, but compared to, say, A Song of Ice and Fire, it's much more melancholy and wistful. It's got this odd schizophrenic dichotomy to it - one moment, it will be snarky and derisive, the next it's thoughtful and poetic in an almost naive way. Not to mention being influenced primarily by Slavic mythology, which tends to go to really dark places (this has to do with early Slavs adapting a lot of their original "pagan" culture into the later Christian tradition, thus perpetuating certain... aspects even after the cultural shift).

Also, interesting fact - I've even heard friends from abroad who loved the games say they were unable to get through the books because of how dissonant they were in comparison to what they were used to.

 

I know what you mean. I was never one to jump the bandwagon when it came to books, so I started on all the fantasy series a little while after they became popular. The Witcher books I tried after I played the first game, back when IIRC only The Last Wish had been translated and published by Orbit Books. It took me a fair amount of time to get over the gritty nature of the world as well as the language of the book itself, which I did not, as a rule, relate to fantasy. But then I got really engrossed in the characters and got Blood of the Elves soon as I found an English copy. Even tried using Google translate to read the remaining books (the fan translations hadn't been done back then IIRC).

Getting everything that was related to the series after that was pretty much a given.

[daveliam]

I love that a story-focused approach is suddenly 'taking cues from TW3', despite the fact that Bioware has been doing story-focused games for over 15 years.

[Teddie Sage]

Regardless of whether he annoys anyone, it's a matter of free speech as long as it abides by the forum rules. Everyone is just as entitled to ignore his threads as he's entitled to post him. 

Nah, he made it clear by now that he's just here to hate Dragon Age. So hate speech. Stop glorifying hate speech.

[Urzon]

I would hope that this DLC would be more story base. What with it being, you know, the end of DAI's story. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

BTW, do they still have QTE-like elements in boss fights? I stopped playing the Witcher games when they started with that in TW2.

No more QTEs in Witcher 3.

[badboy64]

Just finished the Witcher 3 and it doesn't have any replay value for me at all.

[Beomer]

Nah, he made it clear by now that he's just here to hate Dragon Age. So hate speech. Stop glorifying hate speech.

 

I disagree. As another user has mentioned in another thread, there is a pattern here. I mean no disrespect to Dutch's Ghost, but I'm guessing he's one of the many frustrated fans whose demands with regards to Dragon Age games, haven't been met by BW (I'm not saying BW has to or can, or even should try to meet everyone's demands) and feels that the only way to be OK with it is to come here to vent and find like minded people (which helps, misery loves company of course). That is something he has a right to do. And everyone who dislikes his posts has a right to ignore them.

[CronoDragoon]

Yah yah! DAI sux. TW3 rox!
 
In all seriousness though, the people who're saying the Witcher series is 'ruined' for them because of all the Witcher fans trying to show BW down....I mean...lol wut? So someone trolls you a little and you get turned off a great game all together?

It's unfortunately a real phenomenon that I've experienced myself with Obsidian games. Because it's not just one person trolling, it's every time a thread comes up about BioWare it's "that game/company sucks compared to this one, my pet favorite!" After awhile that gets really grating, and when you finally come around to playing it, you are far more critical than you would be otherwise. Instead of being open to the experience, it's a constant comparison with "is this really better?" at the forefront of your mind. Recently, it had a negative effect on my KOTOR 2 playthrough, which I recently replayed with the Sith Restoration Mod for the first time. And although it had its moments, I was mostly frustrated and disappointed with it - which is odd because I enjoyed it a lot more the first time I played it WITHOUT the Restoration Mod. That isn't really explicable except by the unfortunate mindset above.

I've avoided all Witcher discussion when I can, because every time a thread is made about The Witcher it feels like searching "BioWare" gets more hits than CDPR. And I don't want The Witcher 3 ruined for me by douchebag fans like KOTOR 2 pretty much has been.

[robertthebard]

According to Laidlaw the DLC will be heavily story-focused. That in itself is more closer to Witcher 3 than DAI vanilla. Also, i think they'll ditch fetch quests after the backlash.

You know what else it's closer to? Baldur's Gate, NWNs, ME, Jade Empire. I'll tell ya' what; show me an original IP by CDPR, instead of copy/pasting a script from a series of novels, ok? Because along with DA, ME and Jade Empire were original, invented from the ground up IPs, not based on someone's books.

[bondari reloads.]

Part of the gaming experience is the community associated with it, it's what the developers themselves are often striving for. Think of the player base of Dark Souls or Eve.

I personally enjoy reading scathing reviews if well-written. OP seems to have no interest in improving their gaming experience by providing actual feedback, though.

Venting is usually a one-time thing, too. Given the many threads of the OP, this method to ease the frustration doesn't seem to work. But there's always a next time where it might, right?

[Darvins]

 

 

 

 

No, judging anything by it's usergroup is what silly people do. Like how the majority of the world used to view video gaming as a children's pass time just because a lot of kids used to be into gaming.

I mean would you say CoD4 is a bad FPS because more than half the userbase behaves in an immature manner? Or that DotA is a bad MOBA because the community is pretty harsh on new users who don't know how to play?

A game or a book, or for that matter anything needs to be judged on it's merits and demerits. Judging it by it's userbase can be excused only if the person hasn't tried it himself. The very idea seems so outlandish that I can't find any word for how weird and illogical I think it is.

 

 

I'd say this is untrue, people form mental impressions on a subject from numerous sources and not always fairly. I agree it's unfair to judge the Witcher Series by it's very vocal fans, but it's impossible to not start associating them with the game when you cannot escape them. We are not perfect beings and when everywhere you go at the mention or mere hint of a mention of The Witcher a loud and obnoxious sub group rears it's head at some point you are going to associate the two with each other. It's natural and why I feel Witcher and CDProjekts biggest problem these days is... their most vocal fans.

 

I love RPG's and while Dragon Age tapped into my preferred style in the party based style they have, wandering around with a group of people with their own personalities is to me more fun than Witchers Lone protag, I enjoyed both games, but, mention The Witcher Series and I still groan, because of those Vocal obnoxious fans. It's unfair to the game series but they forged this mental link over, the years leading up to and after the games release. 

[Dutch's Ghost]

The main story was dull and the ending was stupid beyond belief, the side quests in DA:I were fine and TW3 wasn't really all that better (find X, witcher sense, follow... blah), and I found the conversation delivery to be about equal, though I am more interested in what is going on in DA:Is since they have far better characters and I give a damn about more of them.

See how opinions work? TW3 didn't objectively do any of those better and I am damn tired of Witcher fans constantly plaguing boards for other games with "why aren't you more like my gaming saviour?!". Seriously, if it continues it's going to start negatively impacting how I view TW3... to the point I might put it on the same mediocre tier as the first two Witcher games.

Side quests in DAI were not fine. Everybody agrees they were terrible.

[Scofield]

No actually everyone doesnt agree, something you cant quite grasp

[robertthebard]

Side quests in DAI were not fine. Everybody agrees they were terrible.

Who's this everybody you list here? I know I never signed any petition. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop speaking for me, at the very least. You haven't got a clue what I like or dislike, and all you do is make yourself look stupid.