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[Teddie Sage]

You don't and never will speak for me. I am not everybody, I am my own person.

[Dutch's Ghost]

I think Beomer made it clear that if you don't like my posts or threads then you should ignore them. Otherwise why come out of the woodworks to troll?

[robertthebard]

I think Beomer made it clear that if you don't like my posts or threads then you should ignore them. Otherwise why come out of the woodworks to troll?

So wait, responding to the latest "TW 3 did it better" thread is now a troll, as opposed to the actual troll of posting it in the first place? What the hell are you smoking, and do you have enough for everyone?

[Shechinah]

I think Beomer made it clear that if you don't like my posts or threads then you should ignore them. Otherwise why come out of the woodworks to troll?

 

This is discussion forums; this means that you have the right to post as long as the content of your post is within the parameters set by the forums rules and it means Teddie Sage has the right to post as long as the content of their post is within the parameters set by the forum rules. 

 

Furthermore, you presented an statement; "Side quests in DAI were fine. Everybody agrees they were terrible." in a discussion forum without presenting anything to support your statement. Teddie Sage is criticising your statement by presenting something that counters your stated claim. Telling someone on a discussion forum that they should ignore a discussion because they disagree with you or criticises your point as well as your way of conveying your opinion makes me consider the folly to lie with you.

 

As a note; I've seen more than a few threads in which you've clearly voiced disagreement meaning that not even you follow this advice so claiming it as a defense is rather hypocritical.

[robertthebard]

This is discussion forums; this means that you have the right to post as long as the content of your post is within the parameters set by the forums rules and it means Teddie Sage has the right to post as long as the content of their post is within the parameters set by the forum rules. 
 
Furthermore, you presented an statement; "Side quests in DAI were fine. Everybody agrees they were terrible." in a discussion forum without presenting anything to support your statement. Teddie Sage is criticising your statement. Telling someone on a discussion forum that they should ignore a discussion because they disagree with you or criticises your point as well as way of conveying your opinion makes me consider the folly to lie with you,
 
As a note; I've seen more than a few threads in which you've clearly voiced disagreement  meaning that not even you follow this so claiming it as a defense is rather hypocritical.

It's a typical evasion, when he can't refute the point. It's the forum equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA, CAN'T HEAR YOU".

[Mr.House]

There's a diffrence between comparing (side quest design, world design, sound design, animations and art design) some aspects between each game, and then there's stuff that and how it's being done Dutch is doing. One bring good debate, the other just pisses people off and makes people not want to play the game. The fact that TW fans on CDP forums act far better then these vocal TW drones just proves my point.

[Shechinah]

that the only way to be OK with it is to come here to vent and find like minded people (which helps, misery loves company of course). That is something he has a right to do. And everyone who dislikes his posts has a right to ignore them.

 

Venting can be quite good, however, doing so on forums geared towards discussion means that the person doing the venting should expect people to question their post regardless of whether or not they intended them to. This holds especially true if the person doing the venting also neglects to mention that they are venting.

 

Posting something on a discussion forum means said post is open for debate with very few exceptions.

 

Of course, Dutch's Ghost has the right to post and Dutch's Ghost have the right to criticise the posts made by others. Something I can assure you they've have done in the past when they've disliked posts and threads even when they've had "a right to ignore" as you've put it. Dutch's Ghost is not alone with these rights, however, and so others have the same right to post as well as the right to criticise the posts made by others.

[Elhanan]

Besides what other past cRPG's already include, I don't believe so. And more story based is how I already describe Bioware games.

TW3 is another type of game, so there seems to be little to compare. And as I choose not to play TW3, prefer the DA series to be more unique.

[Majestic Jazz]

My reaction to this thread:

[Shechinah]

My reaction to this thread:

 

I do imaging it must look quite humorous to someone on the outside which I'm good with because it'll mean this thread was the cause of something good

 

Also saving that gif: Yoink!
 

[Teddie Sage]

That kind of attitude is silly. Bioware has its strength which CDPR could take a lesson from and vice-versa. I think if you asked Mike Laidlaw or any of the developers whether they work in a vacuum and completely ignore advances made by other developers, they would most definitely say no. In fact, David Gaider said in a recent interview that he was impressed by CDPR's approach to quest design (9:10):

 

http://www.gamereact...grtv/?id=229594

That doesn't mean he WANTS to make the series more like The Witcher. He just said he was impressed by it, nothing more.

[Majestic Jazz]

That doesn't mean he WANTS to make the series more like The Witcher. He just said he was impressed by it, nothing more.

They [Bioware] was impressed with Skyrim to the point where they took cues from the game and tried adding to DAI. Whos to say that with DA4 they cannot do the same with Witcher 3?

Again, with Mass Effect two, the lead combat designer, Christina Norman at GDC 2010 said that they looked to Gears of War to craft ME2's new combat approach.

So Bioware has done it in the past, why do people act like Bioware will work in a vaccum and not use any outsidr inspiration when making DA4? Especially when they did so with DAI.

Not saying that TW3 WILL be used as a minor inspiration for DA4, but you cannt guarentee that it wont either.

[SharpWalkers]

As someone who thinks the Witcher 3 towers over DA:I in almost every way possible, I'm getting seriously tired of all these the Witcher 3 threads on these forums.. Enough is enough. Go to one of the other threads to say your piece, you'll likely get better replies, because people won't be annoyed by yet another TW3 thread. 

[Almostfaceman]

Side quests in DAI were not fine. Everybody agrees they were terrible.

 

Having a friend named "Everybody" doesn't count, Dutch. 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Since TW3 is the next big RPG seller, maybe Bioware will go "We took inspiration from TW3 or Dragon Age: Origins. for DA4!"

[Ariella]

No, judging anything by it's usergroup is what silly people do. Like how the majority of the world used to view video gaming as a children's pass time just because a lot of kids used to be into gaming.
I mean would you say CoD4 is a bad FPS because more than half the userbase behaves in an immature manner? Or that DotA is a bad MOBA because the community is pretty harsh on new users who don't know how to play?
A game or a book, or for that matter anything needs to be judged on it's merits and demerits. Judging it by it's userbase can be excused only if the person hasn't tried it himself. The very idea seems so outlandish that I can't find any word for how weird and illogical I think it is.

I havd trouble believing why you would think it's odd to not want to be associated with people who behave badly. Why do you think brand names distance themselves from sports stars/actors etc who get into trouble? Because it'll reflex poorly on the brand. The example is an extreme end, but not so different.

[correctamundo]

Since TW3 is the next big RPG seller, maybe Bioware will go "We took inspiration from TW3 or Dragon Age: Origins. for DA4!"

 

Well Mike and the others are playing a lot of different games, both AAA and indie. They will take inspiration from all those sources like all other creative people do. Most definitely they will look at TW3 as well. But since DA is party-based there is a limit to what is possible. The Witcher is just one guy, very specific in the way he looks, acts, talks.

[Beomer]

I havd trouble believing why you would think it's odd to not want to be associated with people who behave badly. Why do you think brand names distance themselves from sports stars/actors etc who get into trouble? Because it'll reflex poorly on the brand. The example is an extreme end, but not so different.

 

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people read about, hear about or see the sports stars and actors. Not even a fraction of those people see or judge any single player who is associated with any game, even less so on the Internet because of the anonymity and that is IF at all you could call playing a game being associated with its fanbase.

In fact let's be objective here, do you really think the players on the BW forum, or even the Witcher forum constitute any sizeable chunk of the Witcher fanbase? The game sold six million copies. How many users on the CD Projekt forums?

To sum up -

1. I don't agree with the fact that playing a game makes me a part of the fanbase by default, which means I don't find the argument that you want to distance yourself with 'that' group of people by not playing it, convincing.

2. And if just playing the game makes you a part of the fanbase then the Witcher fanbase has six million people and it will be unfair to paint them all with one brush because of a few hundreds or even a few thousands.

 

That said, I do see what the posters earlier commented about, that it leaves a bad taste and a general over critical attitude about the game because some people used it to show down another game you loved.

[Mr.House]

That doesn't mean he WANTS to make the series more like The Witcher. He just said he was impressed by it, nothing more.

It is a fact that Bioware needs to improve their animation, world design (none of the towns/villages/ect feel alive in any DA game) and quest design. Bioware has always been good with sound design at least.

 

Unlike the fabases that seem to hate eachother, CDP and Bioware have laot of respect to eachother and you can dam be sure CDP decided to work on a Cyberpunk game because they where inspired by what Bioware did with Baldurs Gate (As Cyberpunk is a PnP RPG)

[Darvins]

It is a fact that Bioware needs to improve their animation, world design (none of the towns/villages/ect feel alive in any DA game) and quest design. Bioware has always been good with sound design at least.

 

Unlike the fabases that seem to hate eachother, CDP and Bioware have laot of respect to eachother and you can dam be sure CDP decided to work on a Cyberpunk game because they where inspired by what Bioware did with Baldurs Gate (As Cyberpunk is a PnP RPG)

 

Not sure I'd agree on all that being fact, quest design maybe, they do tend to have too many go here quests, that could be presented better but I prefer the Dragon Age worlds look to The Witchers, and the feel of their towns to be honest. I don't think you can call any of that then a 'Fact' beyond the basic premise that every company needs to do better for the next game:p

[robertthebard]

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people read about, hear about or see the sports stars and actors. Not even a fraction of those people see or judge any single player who is associated with any game, even less so on the Internet because of the anonymity and that is IF at all you could call playing a game being associated with its fanbase.
In fact let's be objective here, do you really think the players on the BW forum, or even the Witcher forum constitute any sizeable chunk of the Witcher fanbase? The game sold six million copies. How many users on the CD Projekt forums?
To sum up -
1. I don't agree with the fact that playing a game makes me a part of the fanbase by default, which means I don't find the argument that you want to distance yourself with 'that' group of people by not playing it, convincing.
2. And if just playing the game makes you a part of the fanbase then the Witcher fanbase has six million people and it will be unfair to paint them all with one brush because of a few hundreds or even a few thousands.
 
That said, I do see what the posters earlier commented about, that it leaves a bad taste and a general over critical attitude about the game because some people used it to show down another game you loved.

Yes, because Ray Rice never happened? The NFL fired him when they saw the footage from the elevator. Lots of people saw it, and cared about it, and do you think Nike is drooling to give him a promotional contract? I get it, I do, nobody wants to be associated with an element that makes people like me not buy games. There's a simple solution, disassociate yourself from that element, don't stick your fingers in your ears going La la la, can't hear you. I've never looked at playing WoW, and I have three active MMO subs. Why? Because of their fanboys running all over the internet.

So you often play games that you're not a fan of? That's what being part of the fanbase means, that you're a fan of the game. I know I'm not a fan of WoW, and so I don't play it. Regarding fair, since when is life fair? If you don't want to be associated with a bad element, as I said, the best thing to do is distance yourself from them, the last thing you want to do is defend them. It doesn't make it seem like you're against a bad element, it makes it seem like you're trying to justify yourself being a part of it.

[Darvins]

Side quests in DAI were not fine. Everybody agrees they were terrible.

At least no side quest in DA would direct me from where you got the quest to the point where it was set, through an area that was so over level for the quest it contained a one hit kill creature for a person at the upper range of the mission in question not once but in two playthroughs, yet.... Witcher does this. Dragon Age when it gave you level guidance it was accurate, The Witcher it was not. It also contained numerous missions that where in areas you typically got to late in game yet they where low level missions so by the time you actually got them they granted no XP.

 

In Dragon Age this did not happen, when I got a mission it was within the Level Range for the area I was in, and I could get to those areas without deviating from the plot too much at about the right point in the game. To me then while Witcher 3's Storys behind it's quests where better, Dragon Age managed to balance the missions much better. the two companies could learn a lot from each other in that regards.

 

Thats just my opinion through and not something I am going to assume everyone agrees with.

[fizzypop]

I hope not. Witcher series sucks.

[myahele]

I wan't bioware to take inspiration from DAO