I personally love both games immensely. There are things both could learn from each other, I definitely think little things taken here and there would improve both games. I would love to play Trespasser for example and find that cinematic are added to more of the side quests.
The worst trait one can have about anything in my opinion is Solas. 
I personally love both games immensely. There are things both could learn from each other, I definitely think little things taken here and there would improve both games. I would love to play Trespasser for example and find that cinematic are added to more of the side quests.
The worst trait one can have about anything in my opinion is Solas.
This is why I am looking forward to this DLC, because everything about it seems to be the EXACT opposite of vanilla DAI. Less lore/exploration and more narrative/cutscenes....two things that I believe was lacking in DAI.
Sure, but then you need to avoid discussing your favorite games on the internet altogether, something you might really enjoy doing when it's thoughtful discussion.
As for the people you don't know thing, is it really that hard to understand? Maybe you have impervious emotional armor, but negativity affects the psyche regardless of the source. It's how mean tweets can ruin someone's day, or bumping into someone and getting called an a-hole because of it can really rile someone up. After awhile, if the same stuff keeps cropping up, it gets implanted into the back of your mind and pops up whenever you start playing a game.
If threads that are discussing TW3 annoy you, you can avoid them and just go into threads that contain discussions you favor, if posters in that thread are discussing TW, you can ignore them. You still get to enjoy discussing games you love. Trust me when I say that I have an ignore list a mile long and my forum experience is the better for it.
As for the last, yes, it is hard to understand. Getting mean social media comments or having someone call you a derogatory name isn't the same as having someone praise a game, even excessively. Think of it like this: Say you love Coffee-flavored ice cream. It's your absolute favorite and you go to the ice cream shop-the only one who sells it anywhere-- to get some. While in line, people keep saying, "Oh, you like coffee flavored ice cream? Chocolate is better. It taste better, it creamier and goes better with sprinkles." Sure, you'd get annoyed as hell, but would you begin to hate coffee flavored ice cream because someone you don't know says you shouldn't?
I certainly wouldn't. Everyday we come across some sort of negativity, whether it's from work, school or family and friends, to strangers. You have to prioritize the things that impact you. It isn't easy, but it's something everyone needs to learn. As for myself, I cannot imagine disliking something because of complete strangers on the internet. It's simply mind boggling to me.
This is the forum header:
What does that bolded and underlined part say again? Oh yeah, that little inconvenience of rumors, journalism, conventions and social media surrounding what? Oh yeah, Dragon Age Inquisition. You can see it at the top of most pages, maybe even this one, if you think I'm making stuff up. You can get as agitated as you like, discussion of TW 3 is off topic for this forum, and therefore against the rules, that's why, prior to them shutting down Off Topic, the threads were, generally, moved there. I wonder how long it would take CDPR to ban me if I went over and started singing the praises of Dragon Age? I also wonder if someone very much like you wouldn't point me to these forums if I want to discuss Dragon Age.
Odd, I did a quick scan through some threads on this subforum that were off topic by a mile and never once saw your moniker, I never once saw you being concerned about the integrity of the forum rules. If you want to play armchair moderator, you need to get on those.
All things considered, you've spent quite a bit of time on something that you're not concerned with, haven't you? Whether or not I'll play TW 3 shouldn't bother you in the slightest, you've even claimed it doesn't, and yet, here's the really long post, lamenting whether or not I'll play. Have fun with that.
I'm not certain what this means. Spent a lot of time on something I am not concerned with? Whether or not you play TW3? lolwut? I don't believe I ever have. How have I been spending a lot of time on this? When have I ever spoken to you about playing TW3 or expressed that it doesn't concern me? Either you're thinking of someone else, or you're just deflecting by making stuff up. You don't wish to play TW3. Um, okay? lol I don't ever recall discussing that with you, can you please point me to the post/thread where I urge you to play TW3 or where I say it's not my concern if you don't ever play it? I obviously need a refresher.
The only thing I recall saying is: expressing how I can't fathom allowing other's likes/dislikes dictating what I do. One of these things is not like the other.
Sure, but then you need to avoid discussing your favorite games on the internet altogether, something you might really enjoy doing when it's thoughtful discussion.
As for the people you don't know thing, is it really that hard to understand? Maybe you have impervious emotional armor, but negativity affects the psyche regardless of the source. It's how mean tweets can ruin someone's day, or bumping into someone and getting called an a-hole because of it can really rile someone up. After awhile, if the same stuff keeps cropping up, it gets implanted into the back of your mind and pops up whenever you start playing a game.
If threads that are discussing TW3 annoy you, you can avoid them and just go into threads that contain discussions you favor, if posters in that thread are discussing TW, you can ignore them. You still get to enjoy discussing games you love. Trust me when I say that I have an ignore list a mile long and my forum experience is the better for it.
As for the last, yes, it is hard to understand. Getting mean social media comments or having someone call you a derogatory name isn't the same as having someone praise a game, even excessively. Think of it like this: Say you love Coffee-flavored ice cream. It's your absolute favorite and you go to the ice cream shop-the only one who sells it anywhere-- to get some. While in line, people keep saying, "Oh, you like coffee flavored ice cream? Chocolate is better. It taste better, it creamier and goes better with sprinkles." Sure, you'd get annoyed as hell, but would you begin to hate coffee flavored ice cream because someone you don't know says you shouldn't?
I certainly wouldn't. Everyday we come across some sort of negativity, whether it's from work, school or family and friends, to strangers. You have to prioritize the things that impact you. It isn't easy, but it's something everyone needs to learn. As for myself, I cannot imagine disliking something because of complete strangers on the internet. It's simply mind boggling to me.
This is the forum header:
What does that bolded and underlined part say again? Oh yeah, that little inconvenience of rumors, journalism, conventions and social media surrounding what? Oh yeah, Dragon Age Inquisition. You can see it at the top of most pages, maybe even this one, if you think I'm making stuff up. You can get as agitated as you like, discussion of TW 3 is off topic for this forum, and therefore against the rules, that's why, prior to them shutting down Off Topic, the threads were, generally, moved there. I wonder how long it would take CDPR to ban me if I went over and started singing the praises of Dragon Age? I also wonder if someone very much like you wouldn't point me to these forums if I want to discuss Dragon Age.
Odd, I did a quick scan through some threads on this subforum that were off topic by a mile and never once saw your moniker, I never once saw you being concerned about the integrity of the forum rules. If you want to play armchair moderator, you need to get on those.
All things considered, you've spent quite a bit of time on something that you're not concerned with, haven't you? Whether or not I'll play TW 3 shouldn't bother you in the slightest, you've even claimed it doesn't, and yet, here's the really long post, lamenting whether or not I'll play. Have fun with that.
I'm not certain what this means. Spent a lot of time on something I am not concerned with? Whether or not you play TW3? lolwut? I don't believe I ever have. How have I been spending a lot of time on this? When have I ever spoken to you about playing TW3 or expressed that it doesn't concern me? Either you're thinking of someone else, or you're just deflecting by making stuff up. You don't wish to play TW3. Um, okay? lol I don't ever recall discussing that with you, can you please point me to the post/thread where I urge you to play TW3 or where I say it's not my concern if you don't ever play it? I obviously need a refresher.
The only thing I recall saying is: expressing how I can't fathom allowing other's likes/dislikes dictating what I do. One of these things is not like the other.
You really think thousands of TW3 fans are constantly posting in every thread and beating people over the head with TW3? That's simply not the case. I've posted in dozens of threads in the past couple days and the only one where someone mentioned TW3 is this one and it's not like it was a sucker punch, it has "Witcher 3" as part of the title. If all of the Witcher fans actually "never let up" then every single thread on the forums would be filled with hundreds of TW3 posts and there would be hundreds of TW3 threads. People compare the two games in threads like this one and the one in the feedback forums because the games are very similar in style and structure and yet TW3 is more polished in almost every way. To me every aspect felt lovingly crafted and planned out well ahead of time instead of "we ran out of time/resources so we'll just do it like this." It also felt like "if TW3 could do ___ and do it really well, why was DA:I so disappointing in that aspect?" I wanted DA:I to be great and it wasn't, but then TW3 came along and blew me away and I can't help but thinking about what could have been or what could possibly be in the future.
First off I meant the 1000 thing as an EXAMPLE. Also I used the upcoming Transformers: Devastation game in said example.
Second: Yes, I think there are a lot of TW fanboys also saying the damn thing: "BioWare needs to a Witcher 3 clone." and quite frankly it's getting very annoying.
Third-As others in this very thread it's happens here all the damn time.
The only thing I recall saying is: expressing how I can't fathom allowing other's likes/dislikes dictating what I do. One of these things is not like the other.
Nah, I actually think that it's easy for negativity surrounding something to color your perceptions even of things you like. Just for example, it was tough for me to be enthusiastic about this hobby last year during peak gamergate idiocy. Any online community where fans gather is bound to be stupid sometimes, but gamers tend to sink lower than most others.
Thing is, fanboy tribalism is - fact - one of the most obnoxious things in the world, and it generally manifests here as "latest Bioware game versus whatever the new witcher game is." It's been this way since TW2 and some of the people it pulls out of the wood work - not all - are truly awful. Bioware has some truly awful fans. CDPR has some truly awful fans. Watching both groups lower the standards of civility and the diminish the conversation is enough to make you take a vacation from everything related to it. I can't really blame a Bioware fan on the DA forum for getting annoyed when they want to talk about Dragon Age but this leeches into every blessed thread.
There is, of course something to be said for just not seeking out those threads, but they're hard to escape sometimes.
This is why I am looking forward to this DLC, because everything about it seems to be the EXACT opposite of vanilla DAI. Less lore/exploration and more narrative/cutscenes....two things that I believe was lacking in DAI.
I don't mind there being a bit of variety if we cannot have both but I am a huge seeker of lore so the dedication that has been to it has been wonderful and I do not dislike exploring especially in differing enviroment though I do think they could have been knitted a bit better in terms of filling; some areas can be vast with only animals sighted like the deserts or coasts but more with population like Crestwood, the Hinterlands or the Frostback Basin - basically serene areas and noisy areas if that makes any sense.
If threads that are discussing TW3 annoy you, you can avoid them and just go into threads that contain discussions you favor, if posters in that thread are discussing TW, you can ignore them. You still get to enjoy discussing games you love. Trust me when I say that I have an ignore list a mile long and my forum experience is the better for it.
As for the last, yes, it is hard to understand. Getting mean social media comments or having someone call you a derogatory name isn't the same as having someone praise a game, even excessively. Think of it like this: Say you love Coffee-flavored ice cream. It's your absolute favorite and you go to the ice cream shop-the only one who sells it anywhere-- to get some. While in line, people keep saying, "Oh, you like coffee flavored ice cream? Chocolate is better. It taste better, it creamier and goes better with sprinkles." Sure, you'd get annoyed as hell, but would you begin to hate coffee flavored ice cream because someone you don't know says you shouldn't?
I certainly wouldn't. Everyday we come across some sort of negativity, whether it's from work, school or family and friends, to strangers. You have to prioritize the things that impact you. It isn't easy, but it's something everyone needs to learn. As for myself, I cannot imagine disliking something because of complete strangers on the internet. It's simply mind boggling to me.
Odd, I did a quick scan through some threads on this subforum that were off topic by a mile and never once saw your moniker, I never once saw you being concerned about the integrity of the forum rules. If you want to play armchair moderator, you need to get on those.
I'm not certain what this means. Spent a lot of time on something I am not concerned with? Whether or not you play TW3? lolwut? I don't believe I ever have. How have I been spending a lot of time on this? When have I ever spoken to you about playing TW3 or expressed that it doesn't concern me? Either you're thinking of someone else, or you're just deflecting by making stuff up. You don't wish to play TW3. Um, okay? lol I don't ever recall discussing that with you, can you please point me to the post/thread where I urge you to play TW3 or where I say it's not my concern if you don't ever play it? I obviously need a refresher.
The only thing I recall saying is: expressing how I can't fathom allowing other's likes/dislikes dictating what I do. One of these things is not like the other.
If threads that are discussing TW3 annoy you, you can avoid them and just go into threads that contain discussions you favor, if posters in that thread are discussing TW, you can ignore them. You still get to enjoy discussing games you love. Trust me when I say that I have an ignore list a mile long and my forum experience is the better for it.
As for the last, yes, it is hard to understand. Getting mean social media comments or having someone call you a derogatory name isn't the same as having someone praise a game, even excessively. Think of it like this: Say you love Coffee-flavored ice cream. It's your absolute favorite and you go to the ice cream shop-the only one who sells it anywhere-- to get some. While in line, people keep saying, "Oh, you like coffee flavored ice cream? Chocolate is better. It taste better, it creamier and goes better with sprinkles." Sure, you'd get annoyed as hell, but would you begin to hate coffee flavored ice cream because someone you don't know says you shouldn't?
Not really, especially since such posts tend to be one liners you've already read by the time you decide it would have been better if you didn't.
As for the second part: I'd begin to hate chocolate flavored ice cream if people constantly told me what an idiot I was for liking coffee, which is what I was trying to say with my KOTOR 2 replay. I might even like chocolate ice cream normally! But it becomes associated with negative experiences, because it isn't about someone praising a game (why would that ever be a problem) but rather their insecurity in needing to put down another game to do it.
Not really, especially since such posts tend to be one liners you've already read by the time you decide it would have been better if you didn't.
As for the second part: I'd begin to hate chocolate flavored ice cream if people constantly told me what an idiot I was for liking coffee, which is what I was trying to say with my KOTOR 2 replay. I might even like chocolate ice cream normally! But it becomes associated with negative experiences, because it isn't about someone praising a game (why would that ever be a problem) but rather their insecurity in needing to put down another game to do it.
This.. while I might raise an eyebrow at people saying TW3 is the greatest game of all time to them, since I personally wouldn't rate it anywhere near that, I would gladly just shrug and move on. However, many in the TW fanbase seem to take offence at someone not agreeing and feel the constant need to point out everyone is wrong and how a game they feel is better is actually worse. It happened with TW2 and the Souls series to ridiculous extents and now TW3 is putting them all to shame. I haven't gone one time on a forum dedicated to either Bioware or gaming and been free of the ranting about TW3 being so much better than all the other trash.
...and here we are again, with you not concerned about what I do, but like a dog on a bone, unable to let it go. Do you want my autograph or something? Should I maybe be worried that you'll be parking outside my house next? I'm starting to think that maybe I should be, my business seems to be chaffing you quite a bit, there's a cream for that. I realize that details tend to get under the skin of some Witcher fanboys, I just went through this yesterday, and I'm having a bad case of deja vu about it now.
Memory is hard, see the part I bolded in this quote. This whole exchange started because you don't understand how I could base a buy don't buy decision on a game's fanbase, and here you are, stalking me about it, so it would seem, to the casual observer that it is indeed a very big deal to you, despite claiming that you don't want to understand it. Yet, as I opened this post with, here we are again, with you on it like it owes you money. You had the audacity to call my decision juvenile, and yet, here you are, like a playground bully, trying to enforce your will. Good luck with that.
The main story was dull and the ending was stupid beyond belief, the side quests in DA:I were fine and TW3 wasn't really all that better (find X, witcher sense, follow... blah), and I found the conversation delivery to be about equal, though I am more interested in what is going on in DA:Is since they have far better characters and I give a damn about more of them.
See how opinions work? TW3 didn't objectively do any of those better and I am damn tired of Witcher fans constantly plaguing boards for other games with "why aren't you more like my gaming saviour?!". Seriously, if it continues it's going to start negatively impacting how I view TW3... to the point I might put it on the same mediocre tier as the first two Witcher games.
Both games are great ... TW3 just presents itself better because it doesn't have last gen console limitations.
DAI has too many fetch quests ... E.g. Requisitions ... practically unlimited if you keep doing them ... plus you never see their effects on your army. Going by Threnn's opening statement, the requisitions will help Inquisition Forces develop. In my first playthrough I was actually expecting soldiers to improve their armor or tents to better or some comments from Haven/Skyhold general crowd regarding improvements (like how they talk about Cole's activities).
Then along with these you have more silly fetch quests like Redcliffe Healer ...
Shards should have been tied to Solas ... that he was responsible for their activation and probably us finding a device which senses them ... kinda like the Booze quest.
No need to make it like TW3 ... but do remove the Skyrimishness completely ....
Nah, I actually think that it's easy for negativity surrounding something to color your perceptions even of things you like. It was tough for me to be enthusiastic about this hobby last year during peak gamergate idiocy. Any online community where fans gather is bound to be stupid sometimes, but gamers tend to sink lower than most others.
Thing is, fanboy tribalism is - fact - one of the most obnoxious things in the world, and it generally manifests here as "latest Bioware game versus whatever the new witcher game is." It's been this way since TW2 and some of the people it pulls out of the wood work - not all - are truly awful. Bioware has some truly awful fans. CDPR has some truly awful fans. Watching both groups lower the standards of civility and the diminish the conversation is enough to make you take a vacation from everything related to it. I can't really blame a Bioware fan on the DA forum for getting annoyed when they want to talk about Dragon Age but this leeches into every blessed thread.
There is, of course something to be said for just not seeking out those threads, but they're hard to escape sometimes.
Gwent, you clearly meant Gwent right? I would love me some DA themed Gwent over the tower of Hanoi any day.
Kidding aside, I think the devs are well aware of the Witchers 3 influence in terms of plot line and consequences. Will we see that in Tresspesser? Hard to say since it depends on how committed the dev team is towards ending certain characters plotlines. Personally, I would rather have a definitive ending for certain companions than to hope they might have a minor cameo role in a squeal. If anything, if a companion is given plot armor for sequel, I would certainly like to see them do something incredible. For example, I would love to see Blackwall and other companions who joined the wardens riding Griffins in DA grand finale. If something like that isn't possible I would rather they had a solid ending then being dragged into minor and unfulfilling cameos.
Seeing as they started the development phase right after Hakkon and planned the DLC before that i would say TW3 had a slim to zero influence on Trespasser. And why would it? Bioware has been doing choices and consequence before CDRP was a studio, even made some great games like BG2. Are they suddenly not able to pull it off anymore without beeing inspired by another studio? Not saying there isn't inspiration to be had, i just doubt that we will see any of it for DA:I and maybe not even the next entry in the Dragon Age saga or whatever comes next.
I don't know, Tommy. Maybe it is a personal thing, but it is only easy if you allow it to be. I don't allow small things like that have control over my emotions enough to influence decisions. It's such a waste.
However, it seems to be an issue for a lot of people and they're certainly entitled to feel that way. I just think it's sad. It seems like you'd miss out on so many wonderful things and the only one it's impacting is you.
Meh. It's easier to ignore for some people, but either way I think negativity wears on you. It's not by accident that this is the only online gaming community I participate in (sporadically, at that). This is a whole separate conversation really, but suffice to say that in these circles, there's always a noisy (hopefully) minority of gamers who are really unpleasant, reactionary, incitive, hateful, bigoted, etc. Wading through that stuff, even if it's just on some dumb forum, is tiresome and demoralizing.
From my perspective, over the past few years, those assclowns have (unjustifiably, obviously) come to view the Witcher series as some sort of bold and principled rejection of what they regard as Bioware's insidious PC pandering. I don't think that's a fair characterization of the series (obviously, since I've been playing the damn thing all summer), nor do I think that those idiots are representative of its entire fanbase (again, obviously), but I have in the past seen them flood the DA forum with the express purpose of antagonizing and bothering people here (less so these days - mods have a much heavier hand, it seems). If that's someone's first and strongest impression of the series, I can't blame them for not taking the necessary steps to dispel it.
Gwent, you clearly meant Gwent right? I would love me some DA themed Gwent over the tower of Hanoi anyway.
I hope when people say they want DA's version of gwent, they actually mean "literally anything but gwent. The opposite of gwent."
Given the choice between playing gwent and stabbing people, I go with the stabbing.
I hate gwent.
I hope when people say they want DA's version of gwent, they actually mean "literally anything but gwent. The opposite of gwent."
Given the choice between playing gwent and stabbing people, I go with the stabbing.
I hate gwent.
Or you could just stab Gwent players? Seems to cover both your need for stabbing and getting rid of what you dislike.
The lack of any playable card game or something similar in DAI is still annoying.
Or you could just stab Gwent players? Seems to cover both your need for stabbing and getting rid of what you dislike.
In at least one situation, I did.
Meh. It's easier to ignore for some people, but either way I think negativity wears on you. It's not by accident that this is the only online gaming community I participate in (sporadically, at that). This is a whole separate conversation really, but suffice to say that in these circles, there's always a noisy (hopefully) minority of gamers who are really unpleasant, reactionary, incitive, hateful, bigoted, etc. Wading through that stuff, even if it's just on some dumb forum, is tiresome and demoralizing.
From my perspective, over the past few years, those assclowns have (unjustifiably, obviously) come to view the Witcher series as some sort of bold and principled rejection of what they regard as Bioware's insidious PC pandering. I don't think that's a fair characterization of the series (obviously, since I've been playing the damn thing all summer), nor do I think that those idiots are representative of its entire fanbase (again, obviously), but I have in the past seen them flood the DA forum with the express purpose of antagonizing and bothering people here (less so these days - mods have a much heavier hand, it seems). If that's someone's first and strongest impression of the series, I can't blame them for not taking the necessary steps to dispel it.
I think its also a bit of frustration from DA fans to see the misses observed in DA games being hits in TW ... 6 million sales in 6 weeks doesn't come without exceptional quality
For my part, I believe DAI could have matched TW3 in sales if they had kept away from old gen ... and I think EA was a lot more responsible for that decision than Bioware. Plus Bioware isn't actually PC pandering if they limit their product because of consoles. PC had no problem running their initial build for DAI.
I think its also a bit of frustration from DA fans to see the misses observed in DA games being hits in TW ... 6 million sales in 6 weeks doesn't come without exceptional quality
For my part, I believe DAI could have matched TW3 in sales if they had kept away from old gen ... and I think EA was a lot more responsible for that decision than Bioware. Plus Bioware isn't actually PC pandering if they limit their product because of consoles. PC had no problem running their initial build for DAI.
I completely agree with what you're saying. I was also talking about a *very* different (though no less illusory) sort of PC situation.
First off I meant the 1000 thing as an EXAMPLE. Also I used the upcoming Transformers: Devastation game in said example.
Second: Yes, I think there are a lot of TW fanboys also saying the damn thing: "BioWare needs to a Witcher 3 clone." and quite frankly it's getting very annoying.
Third-As others in this very thread it's happens here all the damn time.
Your "example" is a ridiculous exaggeration so it's a pretty awful example. If you could take a screenshot of the threads listed on the first page and point out that X number of them mention TW3 in some way that would be a legitimate example. So would quoting all the people who supposedly say only "hur dur DA:I should be a clone of TW3" rather than giving real criticisms and comparisons. You're using gross hyperbole and your own imagination and interpretation and trying to make it seem like some kind I widespread epidemic when it's not.
I think TW3 is better than DA:I in almost every way, but look at my post history and discover how much I actually talk about it on these forums.
It must be your charm and the grace and civility in which you express yourself.
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