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How does nobility work in the world of Thedas?


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 First if you are a bastard of the king will you be a noble? I know that bastards of nobles in the real world where not nobles but it was different for a king or emperor.

 Do legitimate sons and daughters of a king or noble are they still noble by rank or in the case of a king addressed as prince/princess if they are mages? 

 Can a peasant or commoner or merchant advance to the rank of nobility?

 What rank does the First Warden and the Inquisitor compared to the nobility?



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It doesn't appear that bastards are noble. Of course, if they're the last of their line, like Alistair, they might end up legitimized.

In southern Thedas, known mages lose their social status. Perhaps the Circle would make an exception if someone was the last of their line, but I'm not sure.

Lower class people can be advanced into the nobility, though they'll probably be looked down upon by their peers. See Loghain.

I'm not sure how comparable those ranks are to the nobility. The Inquisition has military power comparable to a city state from the Free Marches at least, as well as a vast spy network. Depending on your choices, it might also have actual territorial holdings. The Wardens are the main power in the Anderfels, and it's said that the First Warden is interested in politics.

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Bastards are not noble unless legitimized by the nobles of the landsmeet. That's how Alistair was able to become king, he only had a viable claim to the throne because Arl Eamon and the supporting nobles legitimized him as the heir.

 

Mages are not allowed to have titles, once they join the Circle they lose their noble status (-> Connor Guerrin was not able to claim Redcliffe after Alexius moved in, as he was a mage and no longer had legitimiate claim to the arling)

 

Commoners can advance to the rank of nobility, but they become nobles only in title (-> Loghain is a commoner holding a noble's title), but their offsprings will be true nobles, who were born nobles.

 

First Warden and the Inquistior have no authority over nobles, it's up to the noble to cooperate with them or not. The Warden could conscript the noble, but they wouldn't do it as it would draw the anger of other nobles.



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First Warden and the Inquistior have no authority over nobles, it's up to the noble to cooperate with them or not. The Warden could conscript the noble, but they wouldn't do it as it would draw the anger of other nobles.

Then you conscript them also.



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Then you conscript them also.

And that's how the wardens will go up against the sixth blight, with an army of fat, unwilling, whiny noble brats. RIP Thedas

 

But hey, at least there are no more nobles, no more elitist society, the common folk have the power. A communist wet dream.



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And that's how the wardens will go up against the sixth blight, with an army of fat, unwilling, whiny noble brats. RIP Thedas

Like they need fit and motivated meatshields. I am sure the conscripted soldiers that died with the million in the 2 world wars did not need to be fit, motivated and mature.

Of course I understand that is hard to do that since nobles have armies and you do not need another war on your side.



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I'd assume it varies between different nations. Just like in real life.

I doubt Fereldan has a formal definition of "noble", beyond the actual Banns and Arls etc. Socially, a bastard might be treated as more or less noble if they were acknowledged by their noble parent or parents. Fereldan titles don't appear to have a strict succession order, so presumably a bastard could inherit though they'd be less likely than legitimate children and relatives.

Orlais more likely does have a legal definition of noble, which bastards wouldn't meet without going through a legal process to acquire it.

I'm not sure how Altus families would feel about bastard children - probably it'd depend if and how much magical ability they showed?

Mages can't inherit titles, but at least some people consider mages to retain their noble status in the Circle - Sebastian addresses Bethany as a noble, for example. And mages like Enchanter Illana from noble backgrounds have evidently benefited from this. Like with bastards, in practice a lot no doubt depends on the attitude and status of their parents - determined parents can no doubt ensure that their child will enjoy much of their noble status, but many will find themselves de facto disowned.

Commoners advancing to the nobility would likely again depend on the place. It seems like most places it would be possible to at least advance to the lower nobility, but probably not common and not with the full acceptance of the established nobles.

The First Warden and the Inquisitor would be more powerful than almost all nobles, but non-Trevelyan Inquisitors might not be considered entirely respectable people for social purposes.
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I think it varies from nation to nation. 



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From the codex on a mage Trevelyan, he/she was sent to the conclave partially because having someone of noble birth might cause troublemakers to think twice.

It sounds like such mages are addressed by the courtesy title of lord or lady, but it has no real power behind it.

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Can a peasant or commoner or merchant advance to the rank of nobility?


"Outside of Orlais, it is believed that the lower classes must find the Game contemptible. In truth, most Orlesians aspire to nobility—anyone, even the lowliest peasant, could conceivably join their ranks if they become wealthy enough. A lucky merchant with a powerful patron could gain a title through the Council of Heralds, their commoner status forgotten to make way for entry into elite classes. This is exceptionally rare, but still a possibility."

-- Dragon Age: The World of Thedas Volume 1 (page 60)

"When a mage is born to a Soporati family, that family is given entry into the ranks of the Laetans and is given new prestige in Tevinter society [i.e. nobility, my addition]."

-- " " (page 77)

I suspect Antiva's peerage to have more fluidity than Orlais' considering Antiva's mercantile society and lack of a standing army, and I suspect Ferelden's peerage to be more aligned with popular concepts of 'medieval' nobility insofar as people can become nobles, or cannot, as Fereldens seem to be self-governed in most cases (page 47). Andrastian nobility has a presence in Rivain but to what extent they influence Rivain and to which nation their nobles have more in common with, I cannot say (page 82).

I am not sure about the rest.