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Does gay marriage exist in Thedas?


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Yes, the writers really didn't consider the various ways that same-sex couples can have children, as well as opposite-sex couples who can't and don't.

 

Remember this is a society that puts a lot of stock in blood relations. I wouldn't be surprised if there are laws that make it difficult to impossible to recognize a child not born of you (ie adopted etc). Raising a distant relative would work (like Frodo) but that's not going to always be an option. So I wouldn't say the writers didn't consider it as much as the civilization doesn't adapt because of the stress on bloodlines. Tevinter takes this the furthest but all the nations of Thedas suffer from it in one form or another.



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Remember this is a society that puts a lot of stock in blood relations. I wouldn't be surprised if there are laws that make it difficult to impossible to recognize a child not born of you (ie adopted etc). Raising a distant relative would work (like Frodo) but that's not going to always be an option. So I wouldn't say the writers didn't consider it as much as the civilization doesn't adapt because of the stress on bloodlines. Tevinter takes this the furthest but all the nations of Thedas suffer from it in one form or another.

But is it the society that puts stock in blood, or just the upper-class? Because no one else really seems to care. Also, there are A LOT of orphans in Thedas now. With a crumbling chantry, I can't see them being able to take them all in.



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Trust this topic to bring people like Dutch's Ghost out of the woodwork


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I'd agree that the obsession with bloodlines may be mostly a thing among the upper class. For the lower classes, the main purpose of marriage and procreation is probably to ensure you have someone who will take care of you and your lands and/or business when you age or become sick or injured, instead of having to hope for charity from non-immediate family, neighbours, or the Chantry (or other applicable belief system). An orphan will do just fine there, and adopting it is a service to the community too, so I'd be surprised if at least some societies and traditions didn't look favorably at it. Same for taking in a kid from a family with too many mouths to feed. And of course, one or both women in a same-sex couple might try to get pregnant themselves if they can stomach the notion of "doing it" with a suitable man. A male couple would have a harder time ... I don't think many women would be willing to risk their lives incubating and birthing a kid they don't want to keep.

 

It's also possible that a younger sibling may stick around to help with a larger family farm/business anyway, helping provide for the heir's children and being taken care of by them later in return. In that case, they could hook up with a partner of any gender and still be productive members of the family without the expectation of having to breed. They might even be discouraged from doing so to avoid the "too many mouths" problem that could ruin the family or break it apart.

 

Basically, I'd expect a diverse setting to have varied views of this sort of thing. Tevinter isn't Ferelden, Orlais isn't the Avvar, Rivain isn't Orzammar, and even Dalish clan A isn't Dalish clan B -- if all these cultures differ in other ways, there is room for some differences in their views of partnership and procreation, too.



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But is it the society that puts stock in blood, or just the upper-class? Because no one else really seems to care. Also, there are A LOT of orphans in Thedas now. With a crumbling chantry, I can't see them being able to take them all in.

Chantry was leaderless for a time, but not crumbling by any stretch of the imagination. And even the common folk deal with laws of inheritance.

Most of those orphans will enter the ranks of the Chantry, and the Templars or Seekers should they reform.

As much as we like to pretend marriage is a romantic thing, it started as contractual obligations designed to provide legitimate heirs and strenghten bond between families in order to create alliances.

Commoners probably would marry for love more often than their noble counterparts, but the pressure would still be there to provide a blood heir.

You have to consider, untill the 18th century arranged marriages were the norm in the real world. The change coincides with the Enlightenment, and Thedas might be on the cusp of a similar philisophical revolution... If they can survive the stupid that seems to be coming their way.

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Does gay marriage exist in Thedas?

 

 

 

 

No.

Please close this thread.



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Does gay marriage exist in Thedas?

 

 

 

 

No.

Please close this thread.

 

 

Erm..why is it necessary to close it?



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Erm..why is it necessary to close it?

 

 

The question has been answered . 



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The question has been answered . 

 

Not really, there's a lot of contradictions and most people replying in the negative don't give sources.


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Chantry was leaderless for a time, but not crumbling by any stretch of the imagination. And even the common folk deal with laws of inheritance.

Most of those orphans will enter the ranks of the Chantry, and the Templars or Seekers should they reform.

As much as we like to pretend marriage is a romantic thing, it started as contractual obligations designed to provide legitimate heirs and strenghten bond between families in order to create alliances.

Commoners probably would marry for love more often than their noble counterparts, but the pressure would still be there to provide a blood heir.

You have to consider, untill the 18th century arranged marriages were the norm in the real world. The change coincides with the Enlightenment, and Thedas might be on the cusp of a similar philisophical revolution... If they can survive the stupid that seems to be coming their way.

Thedas is already much further along as a society in most ways than we were in the 18th century. I don't really have a point, just thought I should say that.

 

Does gay marriage exist in Thedas?

 

No.

Please close this thread.

 

If anything related to gay or transgender people bothers you so much, why do you go into threads that discuss them so much? Why try to stop a conversation other people want to have instead of simply ignoring the thread?


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Erm..why is it necessary to close it?


Flog, better no to ask, or pay much mind.

Now, I've been thinking, and I know that Trespasser is the last DLC, but I have to admit, I'd pay for a Dorian wedding Dlc With options for the IQ or Bull. Just light hearted and classic.
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Thedas is already much further along as a society in most ways than we were in the 18th century. I don't really have a point, just thought I should say that.

 

If anything related to gay or transgender people bothers you so much, why do you go into threads that discuss them so much? Why try to stop a conversation other people want to have instead of simply ignoring the thread?

 

I wouldn't say it bothers me . I mean it use to . 



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In this world, marriage is seen for purposes of alliance, first and foremost (mistresses seem to be permitted). Secondly, it seems to be for procreation  (and for Tevinter's case, eugenics)

 

It makes no sense that they would allow gay marriage. It seems homosexuality in that world is considered a quirk.


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Not really, there's a lot of contradictions and most people replying in the negative don't give sources.

 

I'll just say this then . No it doesn't exist in Thedas at the moment but may show up in some forum in the next game.But only to  pacifier a certain group of people . 

 

Because the media and certain radical groups  love forcing it into everything that I enjoy watching /playing . No offence to the fans here . 



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Ah okay, about the CE thing.

 

On 'it isn't going to produce any heirs' - would you say a marriage between a sterile man and a sterile woman isn't heterosexual?

 

Who cares? Thedas doesn't have any way of knowing who is for sure sterile.  



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Thedas is already much further along as a society in most ways than we were in the 18th century. I don't really have a point, just thought I should say that.


And yet all the supersitions that the Enlightenment dispelled actually exist in magic, demons etc. We have yet to see any foundations for things like modern democracy (as opposed to original Athenian model). The hold of the Chantry is still stronger than the RCC, as there's been no Reformation.

In short we're still dealing with a society where full parity might exist.

Slightly off topic but useful, the novella The Martian Child by David Gerrold is a fictionalized account of the adoption of his son. He adopted the boy just after California made it legal for gay men and lesbians to adopt. Considering it was in the eighties iirc, we had a long way to go even then.
 

If anything related to gay or transgender people bothers you so much, why do you go into threads that discuss them so much? Why try to stop a conversation other people want to have instead of simply ignoring the thread?


Self appointed morality police?

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Of course it exist

Let your female warden has a romance with Leliana, and they will still together, even if she is divine.

Isn't bad the homosexuality in Thedas.



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Flog,

Sterile matches were usually put or were forced to put their wives aside. Most marriages would have been arranged and if unable to produce children desolve them.

Arl Eamon was nudging Calian to consider putting aside Anora because she hadn't produced an heir by this point. It's implied in Return to Ostagar that this is the reason Eamon was not at Ostagar, because Calian was angry over the slight to Anora.

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Viv summed up marriage the best



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Gaider actually spoke on this once (I'm sorry that I don't have a link).  I distinctly remember him saying that gay marriage would be anachronistic in Thedas and wouldn't even occur to anyone because marriage in Thedas exists mostly to propagate lineages.

 

However, I remember that people challenged that because the Hawkes (Malcom and Leandra) clearly got married for love and not any kind of political/social pressure, so 'marriages for love' do exist in Thedas.  Not saying that this means that gay marriage should exist in this setting, but it does poke a hole in the 'it wouldn't even occur to people to marry for anything other lineage propagation' statement.



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Dwarf and Elves are dying out so I don't think they have it. Not sure about the human but I've seen no evidence so far. Qunari don't have marriages at all.



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(Please keep it civil, for everyone's sake.)

 

So how exactly does marriage work in Thedas? Is it always within the chantry? And can a dude marry a dude, a gal marry a gal, a mx marry a mx?

 

Hearing about the two year time skip got me speculating about the futures of each romance, and I wondered whether marriage was in the pipeline for my dorianmancer.

if they ever allowed same-sex marriage I hope my Hawke gets to settle down with Isabela. 



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There's a codex called Sexuality in Thedas that addresses this point. In short, marriage among the nobility/elites etc is done for legal, contractual, or treaty reasons for the most part. The point is to have legitimate heirs to titles.

This one!
 
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Because the media and certain radical groups  love forcing it into everything that I enjoy .

 

LOL. Awesome.


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I hope it does. I would love to have my Inquisitor marry Sera. I mean you can sort of jokingly ask her in one of the romance scenes. 

 

I like to think that My Inky could get married to Sera at some point in time. Now that would be a kick ass wedding. Lol.


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