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[Eternal Phoenix]

Wait, a female renegade should be even more harsh than a male renegade? Why? inb4 "females are more harsher than males" lol.

[Guitar-Hero]

I think this is more the point OP was making:

That looks like a nice saturday night. Sometimes you gotta wonder if the devs play their games  

[General TSAR]

Shepard is a traumatized space! Force Recon Marine, she's definitely not gonna be prancing around.

[Puddi III]

I would like a less manly Female character and for her to be more tender and for her renegade options to be more harsh.

lol wat.

[animedreamer]

So Mass Effect's women should be more feminine (which can mean a lot of things to a lot of people in my experience), but fans of Dragon Age demanded femquisitor be the opposite? Cant please everyone, i suspect Femtagonist will be what will equate to a female body built over a male character, unless they look to Japanese MMO's like FF14 where the story acknowledges your gender even in seemingly unimportant side quest, and where certain generalized expectations of femininity are woven into the game at its core, i doubt this idea of the female protagonist being more feminine will live up to everyone's ideals.

[afgncaap7]

Femshep was a veteran soldier, not a princess. I'm OK with "more feminine" only so long as it's just accounting for inherent differences in how gender and proportions might effect minor animations and dialogue. Try to imagine Femshep on a battlefield in Miranda's catsuit without laughing, I dare you.

[Mdizzletr0n]

I'm not laughing at all. In fact, I may need some time alone....

[ArabianIGoggles]

I honestly thought that femshep was far more hardcore than manshep.  Hale portrayed a stone cold gangster as renegade.  Not taking anything away from Mark but she was amazing.  Hard to believe that she is also Palmer in Halo.

[Rhaenyss]

I honestly thought that femshep was far more hardcore than manshep.  Hale portrayed a stone cold gangster as renegade.  Not taking anything away from Mark but she was amazing.  Hard to believe that she is also Palmer in Halo.

 

Yeah. To me, Maleshep comes off as a jerk, while Femshep is a genuinely cold person. In my renegade playthrough I felt a bit uncomfortable at first with how ruthless she was (then I accepted her as a completely new character that's interesting in her own way, my usual playthroughs are mostly paragon). 

[WildOrchid]

So Mass Effect's women should be more feminine (which can mean a lot of things to a lot of people in my experience), but fans of Dragon Age demanded femquisitor be the opposite? Cant please everyone, i suspect Femtagonist will be what will equate to a female body built over a male character, unless they look to Japanese MMO's like FF14 where the story acknowledges your gender even in seemingly unimportant side quest, and where certain generalized expectations of femininity are woven into the game at its core, i doubt this idea of the female protagonist being more feminine will live up to everyone's ideals.

 

That's why I say over exaggerated animations are never good. The female in DAI was like ME3, she was walking like a gorilla sometimes in cutscenes and in game she was walking like she was on some Victoria's Secret show (even tho i'll admit I quite like it on my qunari because it oozes confidence). But still, neutral animations all the way, with some minor differences here and there.

 

You want neutral animations? Look at ME1.

I seriously don't like how the female animations when it comes to cutscenes have been a male copy.

 

 

That's not to say dude protags are any better, they walk like gorillas. I've seen better male walks than this.

[Pasquale1234]

I just hope Bioware doesn't lose sight of the fact that the great reception FemShep received was not because she was written as a woman who happened to be a space marine, but because she was a space marine who happened to be a woman.

[ArabianIGoggles]

I just hope Bioware doesn't lose sight of the fact that the great reception FemShep received was not because she was written as a woman who happened to be a space marine, but because she was a space marine who happened to be a woman.

I think all the credit goes to Hale.  Her take on Shepard is golden.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I honestly thought that femshep was far more hardcore than manshep.  Hale portrayed a stone cold gangster as renegade.  Not taking anything away from Mark but she was amazing.  Hard to believe that she is also Palmer in Halo.

Really? My Femshep and Palmer seemed pretty similar to each other. I even made a Sarah Palmer Shepard. 

[Seboist]

Wait, a female renegade should be even more harsh than a male renegade? Why? inb4 "females are more harsher than males" lol.

 

Sounds like im not the only one that desires his femprotags to be unhinged BPD types.

[Wolfman]

I was happy with FemShep keepin it real. But I never found her not feminine per say. But everyone's definition of "feminine" is so subjective. Do you want feminine stereotypes? Things like being soft, emotional, compromising, gullible, sassy, and so on and so forth...? Just seems like any person, regardless of what's between their legs, wouldn't have survived in Shep's shoes if they carried those traits. 

[ExoGeniVI]

" Do you want feminine stereotypes? Things like being soft, emotional, compromising, gullible, sassy, and so on and so forth...? Just seems like any person, regardless of what's between their legs, wouldn't have survived in Shep's shoes if they carried those traits"

Bufffy survived with those traits.

 

[ArabianIGoggles]

Really? My Femshep and Palmer seemed pretty similar to each other. I even made a Sarah Palmer Shepard. 

Wow, your femshep must be a terrible person LOL, jk.  Her not wearing a helmet always bugged me.  That, and they gave her a pansy color scheme.  I didn't like her take on Palmer and the way her character model is a beauty queen.  I want to see a real woman, built like a hardened veteran, not Miss USA.

[Stormy]

Wow, your femshep must be a terrible person LOL, jk.  Her not wearing a helmet always bugged me.  That, and they gave her a pansy color scheme.  I didn't like her take on Palmer and the way her character model is a beauty queen.  I want to see a real woman, built like a hardened veteran, not Miss USA.

 

Actually, I personally know some Marines (who's deployments I'm never allowed to discuss) who can put some models and beauty queens to shame... male and female.  Butch, cut up and ugly are a stereotype.

[Rhaenyss]

I was happy with FemShep keepin it real. But I never found her not feminine per say. But everyone's definition of "feminine" is so subjective. Do you want feminine stereotypes? Things like being soft, emotional, compromising, gullible, sassy, and so on and so forth...? Just seems like any person, regardless of what's between their legs, wouldn't have survived in Shep's shoes if they carried those traits. 

 

If someone's only reference for "being feminine" is from movies and videogames, of course they'd think she's not feminine enough. But the reality is that most women aren't walking cliches. The swaying hips walk isn't natural, it's something some women are subconsciously doing on purpose (like some men who walk like gorillas to make them look badass) Sure, there are differences in male & female bone structure which makes them walk differently, but it's so subtle that it's basically unnoticeable. AGAIN, ME1 animations were a good example of that.

 

The only problem I found with fem!Shepard are some running animations (I think the ME1 ones are perfect, but the rest are stupid, except for the ones in combat), and some of the animations for sitting are pretty bad (like the dress fiasco). I don't think any of them are inherently male looking though, they're just stupid as ****. 

[Hair Serious Business]

For the love of all that was right with the trilogy, puh-leeze don't let that abomination of a walk / run animation from DA infect Mass Effect.

[Angelus_de_Mortiel]

 

Not directed at KaiserShep specifically, but...

 

Oh memes and grammar fails... Brethren is the archaic plural form of brother, so this said, "Are you anxious, brothers?" not "Are you mad, brother" which is the complete form of the colloquial phrase, "U mad, bro?". Perturbed was also not really used to mean angry either. It meant unsettled or anxious. GG internet intelligence. GG.

 

Maybe try, "Art thou choleric, brether?"

[Rhaenyss]

 

Omg, look at his little feet and those dainty hands. Reminds me of all the times when Donald Duck tried to pass off as a lady duck in drag.

 

I'm pretty sure this would deter me from playing as a female. It's horrible.

[Hair Serious Business]

Omg, look at his little feet and those dainty hands. Reminds me of all the times when Donald Duck tried to pass off as a lady duck in drag.

 

I'm pretty sure this would deter me from playing as a female. It's horrible.

Plz that is called being fabulous lol

[Mdizzletr0n]

"Subconsciously doing on purpose?" What?

It's also not all that subtle in the way a lot of men and women walk. Definitely noticeable. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of men/women that are in between, though.

Femininity (and masculinity) goes beyond just a walk though, its more in how one carries themselves. An aura even. Referring back to the DA franchise, Cassandra and Leiliana. Neither of which, would be considered soft (Leiliana more so, especially in DA:O) or gentle but both where still what I'd call feminine. Or let's think of Kate Beckinsale in Underworld. She was tough as nails but still feminine. Ronda Roussey takes punches in the face for a living, still feminine. Last be not least, Lara Croft, in the Tomb Raider reboot (which ended up being one of my favorite games ever and I would definitely put it over ME2 and 3). They went beyond just her being feminine, she always has been. She was extremely vulnerable and still not the princess type. She was human.

FemShep was like a woman that I'd see as a brother, a boring (paragon) or ******* (renegade) of a brother. Lol. Which is all well and fine for that Space Jesus Spaceship Trooper character, but I wouldn't really want another female protagonist like that.

[Panda]

Omg, look at his little feet and those dainty hands. Reminds me of all the times when Donald Duck tried to pass off as a lady duck in drag.

 

I'm pretty sure this would deter me from playing as a female. It's horrible.

 

i somewhat survived DA2 for headcanoning all my female characters as femme fatale type of characters who walk and move like that on purpose. Basically the animations are type for certain type of female characters, they fit Isabela really well, but now I can't remember if Aveline had same animations or not, but they wouldn't have fitted her. And I wouldn't be able to create any of my Shepards with that animation, I'd have to headcanon them as something they are not.

 

If DA2 would have offered male animation for female characters as choice I think problem would have been solved.

 

 

It's not ideal animation for female character either, I'd say that walk is bit too bulky while run is actually quite spot on. But at least it's better than forcing all female characters with the femme fatale one.