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[Qun00]

According to both Solas (party banter) and Gaider himself, Adaar never lived under the Qun which means s/he is Vashoth rather than Tal-Vashoth.

Still, I'm surprised that the Qunari would tolerate the idea of power and influence being given to someone who's from their race and doesn't follow the Qun.

This is almost as offensive as an actual Tal-Vashoth being made king somewhere. Not something easily ignored.

[Scofield]

same way they "tolerate" everyone outside the Qun i guess, all equally

[thats1evildude]

All bas must be brought under the Qun.

[Scofield]

who you calling a bas ya bas

[Lord Frivolous]

Somehow I find all this classification to "Tal-Vashoth" and "Vashoth" to be quite confusing and artificial. Kind of doubt a Qunari death squad attacking Adaar's home village would slay his/her parents as wicked "Tal-Vashoth" and leave him/her, an innocent "Vashoth," alive.

[Qun00]

Somehow I find all this classification to "Tal-Vashoth" and "Vashoth" to be quite confusing and artificial. Kind of doubt a Qunari death squad attacking Adaar's home village would slay his/her parents as wicked "Tal-Vashoth" and leave him/her, an innocent "Vashoth," alive.

The Qunari waste nothing. Maybe they'd see it as the perfect opportunity to take this orphan in and indoctrinate him/her in the Qun.

[BansheeOwnage]

The Qunari waste nothing. Maybe they'd see it as the perfect opportunity to take this orphan in and indoctrinate him/her in the Qun.

Not true. They waste plenty. They're a lot less practical than people like to think.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Considering that my Adaar went out of his way to offend the qunari at every turn, I'm surprised it's taken them this long to send people to murder him 

[SweetTeaholic]

Hahah poor Adaar is going to have a field day in this DLC. I CAN'T WAIT!!

[PapaCharlie9]

Considering that my Adaar went out of his way to offend the qunari at every turn, I'm surprised it's taken them this long to send people to murder him 

Exactly! Adaar saving Bull's Chargers is probably what starts the whole Qunari invasion. (Oh, sorry people who saved the dreadnoughts, you don't get to play ...)

[Bhryaen]

The OP makes a valid point actually. I just remade a qunari character and looked over the "origin" opening paragraph (all we get for an origin in DAI), and I was surprised to see that it states unequivocally that we're a "tal-vashoth." Specifically it states:

 

"YOU ARE TAL-VASHOTH, A QUNARI WHO HAS REJECTED THE QUN AND NEVER EVEN LIVED IN QUNARI LANDS."

 

Never even lived anywhere that you could've ever been a part of the qun... and yet somehow you rejected it? Whichever obscure fan-fiction writer wrote that needs to brush up on qunari terminology! (Unless I'm the one who isn't up to speed... Wouldn't be the first time...) I could've sworn that The Iron Bull once said that that term "tal-vashoth" was reserved for members of the qun that sort of go crazy and end up running into the woods living like violent beasts, something akin to what the qunari were like before the qun. Some other term was reserved for those who simply live apart from the qun.

 

Then in the first war table mission there is a note from a former qunari merc partner named Shokrakar who insists on reminding you that you're "vashoth." So...

 

Dunno. Still a bit unclear...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Qunari don't really see race. A vashoth having power and influence isn't really any more intolerable than any other bas having power.

[Vaseldwa]

I would have liked to have seen more reaction from the Qunari, about my Adaar being in power. I mean is a few assassins/assassination attempts too much to ask for sheesh .....

[Lord Frivolous]

I think Vashoth and Tal-Vashoth are pretty much interchangeable terms. Qunari death squads are hardly going to make distinction between Tal Vashoth and their "free-born" children. Any horned humanoid who is not a desire demon is a traitor to the Qun. If it looks like a Qunari but is not actually a Qunari means it or it's ancestors have rejected the Qun. 

 

The Qunari don't see race among the humans, dwarves and elves but it does not mean they don't see race when it comes to Vashoth.

 

EDIT:  When talking about Adaar, them being Vashoth only means they did not have to make the decision to leave the Qun themselves, it was made for them by their parents. 

 

And you have the option to tell Iron Bull you know the organisation he represents and were warned of it by your parents.

 

ANOTHER EDIT: It dawned to me all we know about Ben-Hassrath comes from Sten, Tallis or Iron Bull, and must be heavily sugar-coated. We really never get to hear it's victims.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Qunari generally despise Tal'Vashoth because they have known the Qun and rejected it. That doesn't apply to their children. Vashoth aren't traitors, they are just bas. If they Qunari were to learn enough about Adaar to hate them, they'd learn enough to know they never knew the Qun.

 

If they don't discriminate along race among other peoples, they would have no reason to see it among their own. That would require them to see race in the first place. 

[Lord Frivolous]

The Qunari generally despise Tal'Vashoth because they have known the Qun and rejected it. That doesn't apply to their children. Vashoth aren't traitors, they are just bas. If they Qunari were to learn enough about Adaar to hate them, they'd learn enough to know they never knew the Qun.

 

If they don't discriminate along race among other peoples, they would have no reason to see it among their own. That would require them to see race in the first place. 

 

I, on the other hand, have hard time believing the Qunari are so civilized they'd make a distinction between their enemies and their enemies' children. Whatever Iron Bull tells you.

 

Tal Vashoth certainly would make sure their children would have the bleakest opinion on the Qun, so the Qunari would have every reason to be wary of any off the hook oxman they meet.

 

In our world totalitarian regimes are usually harsh with dissidents off-spring. Soviets even had a distinct crime called "family members of the enemies of the people."  Sins-of-fathers so to say, which comes from the Holy Bible, by the way. 

[Fredward]

Everything we've seen from the qunari implies that they don't really care about race all that much beyond practical concerns. A qunari Inquisitor and what they've achieved and the mark they bear would be seen as no or less of a threat than any other race bearing the same. Maaaaybe if the Qunquisitor was an actual traitor but s/he's not, born outside the Qun and all that.

 

They wouldn't be insulted or threatened is what I'm getting at. The Qunquisitor would not be considered one of 'them,' despite his/her race.

[Andromelek]

Hahah poor Adaar is going to have a field day in this DLC. I CAN'T WAIT!!

I don't think those are the Qunari (religious faction) I mean; Eluvians, a lot of Saarebas and even a Dragon but no a simple dreadnought in sight, something seems out of place.

[Qun00]

Well, no dreadnaughty was used in Kirkwall.

[Andromelek]

Well, no dreadnaughty was used in Kirkwall.

They were stranded, and the ship in which they came was a dreadnought, they sank Isabella's ship but the storm broke theirs.

[Gervaise]

The Qunari do not always use dreadnoughts; it is simply that they have an advantage in naval battles because they are superior in that respect.   When they engage on land they are still pretty tough but they suffer through their inferior magical power.   It is why the Tevinter have managed to hold them at bay for so long, even though Qunari propaganda is that they haven't really been trying.

 

The Qunari consider all cultures/religions inferior to their own but are willing to work with them if it suits their purpose.  They don't ignore race; I'm sure they feel their own species is superior with the long term breeding program that has been undertaken.   It is just that they will accept other races into the Qun and generally find they make better spies since they are able to blend in more easily, elves in particular since everyone looks down on them as either slaves or servants but as Briala discovered this is an advantage since you can go practically everywhere but are ignored as insignificant.    So it probably made little difference whether Adaar was Vashoth or Tal-Vashoth so long as the organisation they led had similar aims to that of the Qun; in other words defeating Corypheus and disposing of red lyrium.    I always wondered what would happen to the alliance after his fall.

 

The qunari in the new DLC may well be Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth but could equally be Qunari if their leaders felt it was in their interests to work with whoever gave them an intro to the eluvian network.      It is not clear from the video whether their mages are leashed sarabaas or not.

[Andromelek]

Still; the Dragon, the amount of Saarebas and the Ogre-like creature are something odd coming from the Qunari, but we'll have to wait to see, I really hope they are not the Qunari that would turn Sten into a moron and could turn Bull against us, I do not wish hang them.

[TEWR]

I would have liked to have seen more reaction from the Qunari, about my Adaar being in power. I mean is a few assassins/assassination attempts too much to ask for sheesh .....

 

Would be interesting for the Qunari to have attempted to kill you and instill someone else in your place after also planning to remove the rest of the Inquisition's top brass.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Would be interesting for the Qunari to have attempted to kill you and instill someone else in your place after also planning to remove the rest of the Inquisition's top brass.

 

Why would that work? The Inquisition doesn't just follow any Qunari. They follow the Herald. Specifically because they can close the rifts.

[X Equestris]

I don't think those are the Qunari (religious faction) I mean; Eluvians, a lot of Saarebas and even a Dragon but no a simple dreadnought in sight, something seems out of place.

Well, if the content we get in Trespasser isn't alongside some accessible body of water, there's no reason for there to be any dreadnoughts.