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[Shechinah]

I would have liked to have seen more reaction from the Qunari, about my Adaar being in power. I mean is a few assassins/assassination attempts too much to ask for sheesh .....

That would be a very poor plan on the Qunari's behalf considering the Inquisitor has the unique ability to deal with the rifts and so making an attempt on the Inquisitor knowing this would be incredible foolish especially since they have no alternative way of sealing the rifts and it as well as demons are something that not only spooks them but also something they have little experience with.

 

Making an attempt after they are certain the Breach are closed then it'd make sense for them to invade and deal with the Inquisitor especially motivated if they believe it was caused by the follies of the bas and could potentially happen again in a way that could reach their lands. 

[Vaseldwa]

That would be a very poor plan on the Qunari's behalf considering the Inquisitor has the unique ability to deal with the rifts and so making an attempt on the Inquisitor knowing this would be incredible foolish especially since they have no alternative way of sealing the rifts and it as well as demons are something that not only spooks them but also something they have little experience with.

 

Making an attempt after they are certain the Breach are closed then it'd make sense for them to invade and deal with the Inquisitor especially motivated if they believe it was caused by the follies of the bas and could potentially happen again in a way that could reach their lands. 

 

Very true    

[Bad King]

Maybe if my Adaar chooses all the pro-Qunari dialogue with Iron Bull, saves the Dreadnought, fills Skyhold with Qunari banners, decor, glass, thrones etc. then the Qunari will be peaceful in the DLC

 

Would be epic if the DLC gave the Inquisitor the option to accept the Qun and turn the Inquisition into an instrument for enforcing the Qun on Thedas.

[Zazzerka]

Would be epic if the DLC gave the Inquisitor the option to accept the Qun and turn the Inquisition into an instrument for enforcing the Qun on Thedas.

 

Would be. But we both know we're just going to kill our way through unreasonable fanatics and no authoritative Qun figure will be present/receptive.

[Bad King]

Would be. But we both know we're just going to kill our way through unreasonable fanatics and no authoritative Qun figure will be present/receptive.

 

Yeah, makes me think of these guys:

 

[Zazzerka]

Yeah, makes me think of these guys:

 

 

It'd be nice to sit down with one of their officers for a chat, maybe end up negotiating some kind of peace.  Unfortunately their heads are full of Reaper. #sadface #sohard #purgatory

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Maybe if my Adaar chooses all the pro-Qunari dialogue with Iron Bull, saves the Dreadnought, fills Skyhold with Qunari banners, decor, glass, thrones etc. then the Qunari will be peaceful in the DLC

 

Would be epic if the DLC gave the Inquisitor the option to accept the Qun and turn the Inquisition into an instrument for enforcing the Qun on Thedas.

 

Trying to turn the Inquisition into an arm of the Qun is exactly the type of thing that seems likely to cause it to turn on the Inquisitor. It's members are still overwhelmingly andrastian citizens of human nations.

[The Baconer]

Would be epic if the DLC gave the Inquisitor the option to accept the Qun and turn the Inquisition into an instrument for enforcing the Qun on Thedas.

 

Composed of you and, what, three Viddathari that might have infiltrated Skyohld?

[Qun00]

I've got a related question. We know that if there are Qunari and Tal-Vashoth in the same area they are bound to fight. That's what you see in Seheron.

But are Tal-Vashoth actively hunted down by their ex-countrymen just like apostates?

[X Equestris]

I've got a related question. We know that if there are Qunari and Tal-Vashoth in the same area they are bound to fight. That's what you see in Seheron.
But are Tal-Vashoth actively hunted down by their ex-countrymen just like apostates?

Like even if they aren't in Qunari territory? I don't think so. If said Tal-Vashoth were trying to give intel to Bas, they probably would be, though.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I, on the other hand, have hard time believing the Qunari are so civilized they'd make a distinction between their enemies and their enemies' children. Whatever Iron Bull tells you.

 

Tal Vashoth certainly would make sure their children would have the bleakest opinion on the Qun, so the Qunari would have every reason to be wary of any off the hook oxman they meet.

 

In our world totalitarian regimes are usually harsh with dissidents off-spring. Soviets even had a distinct crime called "family members of the enemies of the people."  Sins-of-fathers so to say, which comes from the Holy Bible, by the way. 

 

Well the Qunari aren't from our world, so those examples doesn't really matter. The devs themselves have also told us that Qunari that are born from an illegal romantic affair between two Qunari parents are not punished for it. 

 

I also don't really know why you brought up the Bible all of a sudden, but it actually says different things about the "sins of the father." Some passages say that people won't be punished for the sins of their fathers.

 

 

I've got a related question. We know that if there are Qunari and Tal-Vashoth in the same area they are bound to fight. That's what you see in Seheron.

But are Tal-Vashoth actively hunted down by their ex-countrymen just like apostates?

 

 

In or near Qunari territory? Yes. Further away, probably less so. But WoT, I think, does say that Tal-Vashoth numbers are continually targeted by the Ben-Hassrath. 

[Sifr]

I've got a related question. We know that if there are Qunari and Tal-Vashoth in the same area they are bound to fight. That's what you see in Seheron.

But are Tal-Vashoth actively hunted down by their ex-countrymen just like apostates?

 

I think that the Tal-Vashoth and how they interact with Qunari really depends on the situation at hand.

 

Bull's comments about Seheron imply that the resident Tal-Vashoth are mostly made up from those who burned out (like he nearly did) and went rogue, so from their point of view they aren't so much attacking the Qunari as acting in self-defence against those who seek to kill them for desertion. In DA2, the leader of the Tal-Vashoth in Kirkwall even states their belief that Hawke was a member of the Ben-Hassrath before attacking the party.

 

This sort of thing likely feeds and reinforces the Qunari's propaganda that Tal-Vashoth are always hostile (regardless of whether or not they actually are or not), due to situations where the Tal-Vashoth either fight back or launch pre-emptive assaults, either mistaking or identify others as Ben-Hassrath agents.

 

However, it's unclear whether a Tal-Vashoth when confronted with a member of the Antaam would actually have reason to fight them?

 

The priesthood and military are totally seperate entities as we're told, so Qunari soldiers would not be obligated to do anything when confronted by either deserters (or rogue mages) as it is not their demand of the Qun to hunt them.

 

(Arvaarad in DA2 would imply that while the Qunari force that landed in Kirkwall seems to have been primarily military, they did have some members of the Ben-Hassrath alongside them as they would have been required to keep control of the Saarebas accompanying the expedition).

 

TL;DR, I think that as long as you're not a Ben-Hassrath, then for all we know, Tal-Vashoth might not have (as much of) a problem dealing with Qunari?

[Bad King]

Trying to turn the Inquisition into an arm of the Qun is exactly the type of thing that seems likely to cause it to turn on the Inquisitor. It's members are still overwhelmingly andrastian citizens of human nations.

 

Not if the organisation is filled with covert Ben-Hassrath agents who infiltrate the upper echelons of the organisation with the Inquisitor's blessing.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

You can't fill the entire organization with Ben-Hassrath, that's probably what you'd need to turn the Inquisition into an arm of the Qun.

 

 

I think that the Tal-Vashoth and how they interact with Qunari really depends on the situation at hand.

 

Bull's comments about Seheron imply that the resident Tal-Vashoth are mostly made up from those who burned out (like he nearly did) and went rogue, so from their point of view they aren't so much attacking the Qunari as acting in self-defence against those who seek to kill them for desertion. In DA2, the leader of the Tal-Vashoth in Kirkwall even states their belief that Hawke was a member of the Ben-Hassrath before attacking the party.

 

This sort of thing likely feeds and reinforces the Qunari's propaganda that Tal-Vashoth are always hostile (regardless of whether or not they actually are or not), due to situations where the Tal-Vashoth either fight back or launch pre-emptive assaults, either mistaking or identify others as Ben-Hassrath agents.

 

However, it's unclear whether a Tal-Vashoth when confronted with a member of the Antaam would actually have reason to fight them?

 

The priesthood and military are totally seperate entities as we're told, so Qunari soldiers would not be obligated to do anything when confronted by either deserters (or rogue mages) as it is not their demand of the Qun to hunt them.

 

(Arvaarad in DA2 would imply that while the Qunari force that landed in Kirkwall seems to have been primarily military, they did have some members of the Ben-Hassrath alongside them as they would have been required to keep control of the Saarebas accompanying the expedition).

 

TL;DR, I think that as long as you're not a Ben-Hassrath, then for all we know, Tal-Vashoth might not have (as much of) a problem dealing with Qunari?

 

 

I think both David Gaider and some of the codex entries on Tal'Vashoth describes them as "largely anarchists and terrorists." And Iron Bull talks a lot about the ones he fought are usually murderous bandits. I think most Tal'Vashoth are former soldiers, so fighting and killing the only thing they know how to do. But Tal'Vashoth are usually no match for the Antaam so they often target defenseless civilians.

 

The Tal'Vashoth leader says that Hawke and co must be "either demons or Ben-Hassrath" because he named the two things he is most afraid of. I think the implication was that he didn't think anyone else could defeat all his troops. 

[TobiTobsen]

Not if the organisation is filled with covert Ben-Hassrath agents who infiltrate the upper echelons of the organisation with the Inquisitor's blessing.

 

You can fill the entire upper echelon with whatever you want, doesn't change the fact that the entire power base is made up from borderline andrastian zealots who will never support anything Qun related.

[Bad King]

You can fill the entire upper echelon with whatever you want, doesn't change the fact that the entire power base is made up from borderline andrastian zealots who will never support anything Qun related.

 

Not consciously, but the Qunari are skilled manipulators. If the leadership of the Inquisition subtly and gradually encouraged certain Qunari values (particularly ones that might appeal to downtrodden Andrastian commoners such as increased restrictions on mages and a greater redistribution of nobles' assets to the poor), then the Qunari would perhaps face less resistance from the population when they eventually invade.

[Lazarillo]

In or near Qunari territory? Yes. Further away, probably less so. But WoT, I think, does say that Tal-Vashoth numbers are continually targeted by the Ben-Hassrath.

 

There's a pretty revealing statement made by someone in DA2 (Bran, I think it was) that I think puts it into an interesting perspective.  "Even their rebels conform".  Tal-Vashoth don't simply "leave the Qun" and then just do whatever it was they wanted to do.  Tal-Vashoth leave the Qun and then spend their time fighting against it.  They're basically Qunari with the role of "rebel".  A Qunari soldier wouldn't become Tal-Vashoth and then go bake cookies.  Or, at least, that's not how they're seen, anyway. 

 

In practice, it's a little harder to say.  Sten and Iron Bull both indicate that that's more or less how they operate in Seheron, but that is (a)a rather one-sided perspective, and (b)it makes sense that anyone who sticks around in Seheron is going to be oriented towards violence, since killing everyone who's not part of their own group is kind of the reason everyone who's in Seheron is there.  Still, our own view onto the Tal-Vashoth also seems to fit this perspective; we have yet to meet any (Adaar included) who isn't a bandit or a merc.  But that might also be because the only Qunari who are sent so far south know nothing but fighting anyway.

[The Baconer]

Not consciously, but the Qunari are skilled manipulators. If the leadership of the Inquisition subtly and gradually encouraged certain Qunari values (particularly ones that might appeal to downtrodden Andrastian commoners such as increased restrictions on mages and a greater redistribution of nobles' assets to the poor), then the Qunari would perhaps face less resistance from the population when they eventually invade.

 

I'm sure other values like "severing families" and "no more Andrastianism" would also resonate with Andrastian commoners.

[Bad King]

I'm sure other values like "severing families" and "no more Andrastianism" would also resonate with Andrastian commoners.

 

None of those guys appeared to care much when the Inquisitor frees the mages or puts an elf in charge of the Orlesian Empire, so perhaps they'd passively accept whatever new word of god is thrown their way as they've always done. Plus, all those husbands wanting to escape from their oppressive wives might find solace in the idea of severing their families.

[The Baconer]

None of those guys appeared to care much when the Inquisitor frees the mages or puts an elf in charge of the Orlesian Empire,

 

In the former case, yes they absolutely did. In the latter, your average commoner is going to believe Gaspard is the at the wheel.

[Fenris8]

my second quis is qunari, really? he's supposed to be at conflict with the Qun? The plot is complex, i still prefer DA origins and 2 =)

[Nefla]

I really hope there's a lot of Iron Bull as well as Qunari Inquisitor related drama in this DLC

[Bad King]

In the former case, yes they absolutely did. In the latter, your average commoner is going to believe Gaspard is the at the wheel.

 

There's barely a reaction when the mages are freed - they still remain loyal to you. And I believe that it would be common knowledge amongst the Inquisition ranks that Briala rules Orlais, unless the Inquisition leadership is actively withholding information from their own organisation.