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Does it count as fangirling is my main thing is just wanting to grab his horns and swing on them like playground bars? Not even sexual, I was just disappointed there's never an option for Hawke to do this during their fight.
 
But I gotta admit, that voice, man...


*Backs away slowly*

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*Backs away slowly*

 

You gotta admit, it would be so much fun.

 

"Bas, what are you doing? We are dueling! Stop this immediately! The eyes of Kirkwall are on us! My horns are not a playset! Bas!" 



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You gotta admit, it would be so much fun.
 
"Bas, what are you doing? We are dueling! Stop this immediately! The eyes of Kirkwall are on us! My horns are not a playset! Bas!"


Lol. I image my Male Mage Hawe would do such a thing. His girlfriend is Isabela, so he must take every opportunity to troll Qunari (whenever they liked it or not) and taught them with his awesome sarcasm (Humourous Hawke).

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Well, I do not fangirl about the Arishok, but he is one of the more interesting antagonists (I do not count Orsino as an antagonist, because they totally botched his character at the end, so I just pretend, it doesn't happen. Otherwise, Orsino would be my favorite and the Arishok second)).

From his POV, the Arishok makes a lot of sense and of course, his voice actor did a great job.

 

I guess, he and the Qunari get a lot of sympathy points from players, because they have Sister Petrice as a rival and when I have to choose between Sister Petrice and everyone else in the DA lore (despite maybe a broodmother), I will always chose the other side. The developers do kind of push Hawke towards helping the Qunari with that - and with making a likeable character like Seamus support the Qunari. And if you are a Fenris fan, you have another reason to like them, because obviously, Fenris do get along quite well with Qunari. Many seem to forget, that the Qunari are basically zealots like Petrice (with a less annoying attitude) and that of course the Arishoks reaction of loosing the tome again is basically that of a spoiled child, but still, I have not to agree with him to find him basically well written (and as an antagonist, it would be kind of counterproductive, to agree with him )


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Is there a charismatic male villain that ISN'T the target of fangirling? You should see the Samson thread.

Arle Howe



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Everyone wants dat aricock.
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Everyone wants dat aricock.

 

I'm tempted to go with a Sten "No" meme here.

 

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And if you are a Fenris fan, you have another reason to like them, because obviously, Fenris do get along quite well with Qunari. 

Fenris do not get along with the Qunari at all. In fact, he lashes out in angry tirade if Hawke chooses to help Tallis:

 

Fenris: You escape a life of servitude and oppression only to join a society of absolute obedience and servility?
Tallis: I'm not oppressed. I serve because I wish to.
Fenris: In the manner they dictate. And on pain of death.
Tallis: You make it sound so senseless.
Fenris: Voluntarily giving up your freedom is senseless.
 
Fenris: So we are helping the Qunari.
Tallis: I told you, there are many innocent lives at stake as well.
Fenris: And how many "innocents" have the Qunari slaughtered? Bah.

 

Speaking their language and understanding some of their customs does not equate getting along.


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People fangirl Garrus, the bipedal dinosaur, so I'm not surprised.



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renfrees: ok, I missed that. I never had Fenris in my group in MotA, maybe I should do that - it seems to give a bit of inside. In the main game, I got the impression, that he has no beef with the qunari.

 

congokong: Hey, Garrus is cool. And he is a nice guy - no one can accuse the Arishok of being a nice guy :lol:

(I guess, I outed myself as a Garrus fangirl)



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Arishok is sexy.

 

He's a sexy demon looking guy.

 

Too bad his ideology and actions are repellent.



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renfrees: ok, I missed that. I never had Fenris in my group in MotA, maybe I should do that - it seems to give a bit of inside. In the main game, I got the impression, that he has no beef with the qunari.

 

You should.  In the main game, he has a couple of banters with Isabela in Act 3 that suggest he disagrees with them, but MotA brings it out in greater detail.  

 

It's also a chance for Fenris to meet and talk to someone from (IIRC) a similar background, with similar training, linguistic and diplomatic skills, and who (again, IIRC) treats him as an equal.  (says the confirmed Fenris fangirl)


Edited by springacres, 25 November 2015 - 01:31 AM.


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He's a a total badass. I was initially frustrated with him on my initial playthroughs, but once I took an attitude of not caring what he thought and not trying to get the "right answer" when dealing with him, I enjoyed the exchanges a lot more. Also, that was the play through when I gained the achievement for having his respect.

 

Moral of the story: don't try to please the Arishok, he doesn't like that. Which is partially why he's a badass. 



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People fangirl Garrus, the bipedal dinosaur, so I'm not surprised.


Lizard? He looks more crustacean to me.

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Lizard? He looks more crustacean to me.

 

Nah, there's something decidedly feline in his face. Even Grunt thinks so.

 

Which is weird, because I normally don't like cats.



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It's really easy for me to see the Arishok as a victim of circumstance. Shipwrecked because he was chasing a thief, subjected to racial and religious discrimination for 6 years, then framed for crimes he didn't commit. I know the invasion is wrong, but I have a hard time getting upset at the Arishok after all that.



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The Arishok is hilarious. He goes to Kirkwall to find the ToK, fails, throws a fit, kills the vicount to purge the city of its corruption, creates a power vacuum that empowers his enemies, gets his ass kicked in a duel... Dude did nothing right, suave AF voice though.

 

lol love this. "suave AF." Like, that's all that can be said of him at his Qunari eulogy.  "Well...he really did **** up, but did y'all ever hear his voice? Suave, fam, suave."  

 

:)

 

I never thought about the series of events in DA II like that, the Arishok just screwing things up and then throwing a tantrum.  Love it. 



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I'm always mystified by ppls love of the Qunari and rolled my eyes when I found out they were adding a Qunari Inquisitor.  But I guess that because when I look at them (and the Arishok) I see all the cruelty, their treatment of Saarebas, nuking the minds of those who don't agree with them etc etc.  Apparently all other ppl see are the muscles and horns  :huh:

 

Except Bull of course, he's exempt, love him to pieces.

 

Damn I wish I hadn't read this thread, knowing there's fangirling over Cory and the Architect...I just ate breakfast guys, seriously, bleh   :sick:


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 Apparently all other ppl see are the muscles and horns.


How would you not? They're like... woof.

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How would you not? They're like... woof.

 

Hehe, I'm clearly missing something  



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You should.  In the main game, he has a couple of banters with Isabela in Act 3 that suggest he disagrees with them, but MotA brings it out in greater detail.  

 

It's also a chance for Fenris to meet and talk to someone from (IIRC) a similar background, with similar training, linguistic and diplomatic skills, and who (again, IIRC) treats him as an equal.  (says the confirmed Fenris fangirl)

I think, so far, I only played MotA with my mage characters (don't know why) and since I like to have my siblings around, Carver was the fighter in that groups (he has great banter with Tallis too). Next time, my rogue will playing it and I can take Fenris along. You are right of course, banter between Tallis and Fenris is bound to be interesting.

 

ArcadiaGrey

 

I'm always mystified by ppls love of the Qunari and rolled my eyes when I found out they were adding a Qunari Inquisitor.  But I guess that because when I look at them (and the Arishok) I see all the cruelty, their treatment of Saarebas, nuking the minds of those who don't agree with them etc etc.  Apparently all other ppl see are the muscles and horns  :huh:

 

I agree completely. I don't know, why people are taken with the Qunari. I liked Sten as a companion, after he opened up a bit, but it took a while (ingame and real time) to get him there. And his explanations still don't make a lot of sense. The Arishok is a well written adversary, but I don't agree with him in most things (apart from the hate for sister Petrice - I totally agree with him there). And I'm usually not that nice to Tallis, when she confesses being a Qunari, I only help her, because I think, the Duke is worse (after seeing his torture chambers :huh: ).

I haven't played Inquisition so far - does a Qunari Inquisitor even makes sense? I thought the Dalish and Dwarven Inquisitor were already a stretch, giving, that they don't believe in the Maker.


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I think, so far, I only played MotA with my mage characters (don't know why) and since I like to have my siblings around, Carver was the fighter in that groups (he has great banter with Tallis too). Next time, my rogue will playing it and I can take Fenris along. You are right of course, banter between Tallis and Fenris is bound to be interesting.

 

ArcadiaGrey

 

I agree completely. I don't know, why people are taken with the Qunari. I liked Sten as a companion, after he opened up a bit, but it took a while (ingame and real time) to get him there. And his explanations still don't make a lot of sense. The Arishok is a well written adversary, but I don't agree with him in most things (apart from the hate for sister Petrice - I totally agree with him there). And I'm usually not that nice to Tallis, when she confesses being a Qunari, I only help her, because I think, the Duke is worse (after seeing his torture chambers :huh: ).

I haven't played Inquisition so far - does a Qunari Inquisitor even makes sense? I thought the Dalish and Dwarven Inquisitor were already a stretch, giving, that they don't believe in the Maker.

 

I agree about Sten, and the Arishok is cool but I neither fancy him or admire him.  He's a bully, totally unreasonable, and vicious to anyone who doesn't agree with him.  Awesome character model and voice actor, and a cool enemy but still...

 

I really don't like Tallis.  Having a Youtuber forced on you just so you can play a DLC pisses me off, then I can't even kill her.  She represents all the Qunari fandom love I suppose.  I've played MoTA once where I was really annoyed with her and just refused to help, I walked away at every opportunity and it was kind of awesome lol, except I missed the (rather disappointing) vaults.

 

I'm playing DA:I for the first time, with a dwarf (see my avatar).  It's making total sense in my roleplaying.  She's a surface dwarf and I gave her the same attitude as Varric.  Neither grew up in Orzammar so neither believe in the Stone and think it's a bit weird.  Varric secretly has a quiet belief in the Maker and Andraste so I went the same way.  My dwarf slowly starts to believe because she's always been curious about Andraste, and her experiences in the Inquisition make her a believer.  In a quiet, pragmatic way.  She never goes on about it but in her heart believes she was meant to be there to help.

 

The Dalish perspective is, as far as I know (as I haven't done it yet), a great origin if you take a very Solas oriented outlook (maybe romance him too).  And you can absolutely not believe, there are plenty of opportunities to say you don't have faith.

 

Qunari were a late addition to the game (I think) so have been shoe horned in.  How anyone in Thedas, or at least Ferelden and Orlais, would accept a Qunari Inquisitor is beyond me.  It's not an origin I'm thinking of ever doing, I wonder if it's just fan service.  But then I'm not into Qunari.

Except Bull.  He's my homie    :D


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Qunari were a late addition to the game (I think) so have been shoe horned in.  How anyone in Thedas, or at least Ferelden and Orlais, would accept a Qunari Inquisitor is beyond me.  It's not an origin I'm thinking of ever doing, I wonder if it's just fan service.  But then I'm not into Qunari.

Except Bull.  He's my homie    :D

 

'Shoe horned in' is fitting for a Qunari I guess :lol: . I don't think, I will ever play the Qunari Origin either. I'm not a fan of the Qunari, only like them as a plot element (like the Qunari versus the Andrastians in DA 2 - the second act builds the tension between these two fractions very well). The Dalish and the dwarves seem to be very practicable about religion - as long, as no one forces something on them, they seem to be ok. And since both of them are somewhat involved with the ongoing events (having fought together with humans, who are probably mainly Andrastians during the blight in DAO), it does not seems so far fetched as having a Qunari inquisitor. The only Qunari person, that would maybe make sense, is Sten. He seems to be the only QUnari, who have some knowledge of what is going on in Thedas and maybe have some motivation to help. Somehow I don't see the average Qunari caring much about bas stuff.

 

I do agree mostly with what you said about MotA, although I still find it entertaining enough to play it, even though I am pissed off a bit, that you practically can't do anything about Tallis. I don't hate her, but she lures Hawke and friends into a very dangerous situation and lies about it most of the time (and that shortly after the Arishok desaster, when Hawke has all the reasons to be pissed off by everything Qun, as I normally play MotA at the beginning of act 3). I don't want to kill her, but I want to keep that name list to make sure, she behaves and doesn't do anything stupid on my turf. But I never managed that (I don't think, it's possible, unless I missed something)


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'Shoe horned in' is fitting for a Qunari I guess :lol: . I don't think, I will ever play the Qunari Origin either. I'm not a fan of the Qunari, only like them as a plot element (like the Qunari versus the Andrastians in DA 2 - the second act builds the tension between these two fractions very well). The Dalish and the dwarves seem to be very practicable about religion - as long, as no one forces something on them, they seem to be ok. And since both of them are somewhat involved with the ongoing events (having fought together with humans, who are probably mainly Andrastians during the blight in DAO), it does not seems so far fetched as having a Qunari inquisitor. The only Qunari person, that would maybe make sense, is Sten. He seems to be the only QUnari, who have some knowledge of what is going on in Thedas and maybe have some motivation to help. Somehow I don't see the average Qunari caring much about bas stuff.
 
I do agree mostly with what you said about MotA, although I still find it entertaining enough to play it, even though I am pissed off a bit, that you practically can't do anything about Tallis. I don't hate her, but she lures Hawke and friends into a very dangerous situation and lies about it most of the time (and that shortly after the Arishok desaster, when Hawke has all the reasons to be pissed off by everything Qun, as I normally play MotA at the beginning of act 3). I don't want to kill her, but I want to keep that name list to make sure, she behaves and doesn't do anything stupid on my turf. But I never managed that (I don't think, it's possible, unless I missed something)

 
What? You do know the 'Qunari' Inquisitor... is a Vashoth? Wasn't even born into that way of life.
 

Qunari: A Vashoth Qunari who was never introduced to the Qun. Regardless of the player's chosen class, all Qunari Inquisitors are members of the Valo-kas mercenary company and are sent to the Chantry conclave as hired security. Qunari Inquisitors receive a 10% bonus to physical resistance upon character creation.


'Qunari' is just how you're understood by others, but its not what you are. You're just you. That's the appeal of a 'Qunari Inquisitor' - showing others that you're not only what you appear to be. That's really a big theme of things (not just protagonist) throughout DAI and it works.

The most a Qunari Inquisitor can be towards the Qun is 'somewhat sympathetic' (maybe just a slight bit above other race selections) and a tactical ally (like all other race selections can be). That's it.
Bioware gave the PC, regardless of racial origins, a setup that presents them as a person who might be accepting of the Herald role, and then the Inquisitor role, above all else. Not just putting on a show, but truly accepting it in some way. This includes the 'Qunari' race choice.

Tal-Vashoth may carry more of a stereotype of being more feral and uncaring about Thedas (this may or may not be true for individuals, but it may be the common belief), but Vashoth are easily understood to be very close to 'everyone else'. They're probably (depending on personality) considering themselves a merc over being a horned person and would appreciate if people relaxed around them. Considering that we've seen no/few Vashoth in DA before now, now we know how they can behave. Due to race they might have a relatively more aggressive streak, but that's about all they (at least normally) carry with them.
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It's funny because he has this super intimidating badass baritone but his voice actor is, like, the most unassuming looking guy on the planet.

Spoiler

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