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[WashclothRepairMan]

I may have made this thread in the past, I really don't remember. In any event, it deserves repeating. You really can't blame a guy for being a little upset when his wife is leaving him for the voices in her head.

[caradoc2000]

A God >> Barbarian general

 

Sorry Maffy.

[WashclothRepairMan]

A God >> Barbarian general

 

Sorry Maffy.

Why?

[Hor'Gian Vas Paris]

Because it's a god !

 

Anyway, Maferath is still the founder of the Alamarri Empire and then, the today's non-tevinter Thedas.

[WashclothRepairMan]

Because it's a god !

 

So?

[RoseLawliet]

I know if I were Maferath, even if I completely overlooked my significant other suddenly deciding to also get together with an elusive god-thing, fighting that far into the Imperium would make me nervous. Tevinter may have still been building up its number of soldiers after the first Blight, but Andraste and Maferath's army was supposed to have been fairly small (that is, if I remember correctly, which is never a sure thing) and actually became completely encircled. I would probably wake up one day and look around to realize I was surrounded by fanatics. People like that just want to fight. To keep going would probably get everyone killed. Making a deal with Tevinter -- being allowed to leave peacefully in exchange for the woman who was destabilizing an empire -- seems like good sense to me.

[diaspora2k5]

IIRC Maferath was the only reason Tevinter Southern Thedas is free from the Imperium. Andraste and her charismatic religious fervor helped him gain support and a following using the Cult of the Maker, but it was Maferath's military strategies and subsequent victories that ultimately helped them win their freedom. See: WoT vol 1.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

You could make the same exact argument for Andraste. He could have never achieved what he did without her and her message. And also (depending on your perspective) the aid of the Maker.

[diaspora2k5]

You could make the same exact argument for Andraste. He could have never achieved what he did without her and her message. And also (depending on your perspective) the aid of the Maker.

I... I did make that argument for Andraste. I said "her charismatic religious fervor helped him gain support and a following".

[Treacherous J Slither]

Maferath was a good military leader but also a complete fool apparently.

Surrounded by zealots with the religious fervor and mental fortitude to throw themselves at an empire of blood mages and you betray their spiritual leader? Brain dead move right there. How he didn't get torn to pieces is beyond me.

[diaspora2k5]

Maferath was a good military leader but also a complete fool apparently.

Surrounded by zealots with the religious fervor and mental fortitude to throw themselves at an empire of blood mages and you betray their spiritual leader? Brain dead move right there. How he didn't get torn to pieces is beyond me.

Yeah, that was a ridiculous strategic ****-up. Still probably one of the best military leaders in Thedas' history.

[SwobyJ]

Maferath was a good military leader but also a complete fool apparently.

Surrounded by zealots with the religious fervor and mental fortitude to throw themselves at an empire of blood mages and you betray their spiritual leader? Brain dead move right there. How he didn't get torn to pieces is beyond me.

 

Depends on the particulars about Andraste.

 

Especially anything that the Chantry potentially discarded.

 

If there's a whole secret history of this (not saying there IS, just that Dragon Age DOES this sort of thing), then for all we know, Maferath saved the friggin world.

 

Anyway, (Shepard's) Mafarath's betrayal wasn't revealed/spoken of for a while I think. Until then, he got his victory, set up the new geopolitical landscape quite a bit, and enjoyed the win. The Archon Hessarian then revealed it and THEN Mafarath fell and we got much of our existing kingdoms.

[Illegitimus]

I may have made this thread in the past, I really don't remember. In any event, it deserves repeating. You really can't blame a guy for being a little upset when his wife is leaving him for the voices in her head.

 

I doubt it was really the jealousy the Chantry assigns to him.  More likely he figured his forces had reached their limit and the Vints were going to roll them all up if he didn't find a way to make peace.  

[Evil Asch]

I doubt it was really the jealousy the Chantry assigns to him.  More likely he figured his forces had reached their limit and the Vints were going to roll them all up if he didn't find a way to make peace.  

 

This. It's not unheard of for a movement to stagger and falter then die from within. Remember there's been a seriously large amount of time between then and now and all the politics and scheming of the various nations and the chantry itself to muddy things. I highly doubt he's the black and white traitor just as it's nonsense to assume that Andraste was an untouchable saint.

[Hydwn]

I thought this was going to be one of those arguments that you sometimes get in theological circles about whether Judas' role in Christ's death was necessary and foreordained

 

As in, did Andraste need to be betrayed for the Chant of Light to spread...?

 

But yes, Andrastean theology aside, from a husband and general's perspective it does look mad.  The World of Thedas 2 alludes to that, and so do some codices.  Strategically they were cutting a narrow path into the Empire and likely to be flanked eventually.  They had no defence against magic.  Minrathous had never been conquered.  There was no logical endgame for that war.  They were running primarily on luck - famines and floods hit the empire, which were taken for miracles.  Mafereth must have been wondering when their luck ran out.

 

As for the romantic jealousy part...I'm not so sure.  I suspect that among the barbarians, marriage was more like it is for the Orlesians, and it's for property and offspring.  That's how it was for Flemeth in Morrigan's version of her story, and Mafereth had three children by a concubine because Andraste was considered too delicate to give birth (she eventually did have two daughters).

 

All those tribal chieftains had concubines, and their near-cousins the Avvar don't mate for life.  It isn't a culture that connects love and marriage the way ours or modern Ferelden does.