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[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

How. I 100% do not understand how it's possible. The shades always aggro on quizzy and he can't lose aggro at all before cass dies. If I control cass she died anyway because shield wall only activates half the time and doesn't even block the double lightning whip of insta kill.
Plus solas will of course use barrier on him instead of Cass. I need to control everyone at once and I of course can't do that.
I'm a mage by the by.

[BansheeOwnage]

How. I 100% do not understand how it's possible. The shades always aggro on quizzy and he can't lose aggro at all before cass dies. If I control cass she died anyway because shield wall only activates half the time and doesn't even block the double lightning whip of insta kill.
Plus solas will of course use barrier on him instead of Cass. I need to control everyone at once and I of course can't do that.
I'm a mage by the by.

Well, you can control everyone with tac cam... mostly. Anyway, I did it as a mage this run, and basically just did it very slowly by continuously using Barrier on as many of us as I could and trying to disrupt the rift as much as I could.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Well, you can control everyone with tac cam... mostly. Anyway, I did it as a mage this run, and basically just did it very slowly by continuously using Barrier on as many of us as I could and trying to disrupt the rift as much as I could.

That kind of works I guess but I feel like if cass goes down it's over.
How do you pull the shades off of quizzy?

[capn233]

I don't pull the shades off, I have Solas and Varric help the Inquisitor take them down.  Sometimes I take a lap around the column to stall them a bit while powers are on cooldown.  But I have Solas and Varric hold position sort of near the rift, but far from the Pride Demon.

 

The main trick is avoiding to aggro the Pride Demon since hitting the "rift button" is more important than attacking it.

[GenSheng]

How. I 100% do not understand how it's possible. The shades always aggro on quizzy and he can't lose aggro at all before cass dies. If I control cass she died anyway because shield wall only activates half the time and doesn't even block the double lightning whip of insta kill.
Plus solas will of course use barrier on him instead of Cass. I need to control everyone at once and I of course can't do that.
I'm a mage by the by.

 

use LOS, he can't hit you if you kite him around that pillar with the rift. he misses you then no AOE to hit your companion too, my party had full health lot of pots left.

basically, hit him then run to other side of pillar/close the rift wait for cd, he comes, hit him run/repeat. treat him like a dummy.

I only use tactical camera to take 3d pictures for screenshots

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

I'm not sure if varric being the only one left standing with 2 hp counts as winning but I won so...yay?

[capn233]

I'm not sure if varric being the only one left standing with 2 hp counts as winning but I won so...yay?

 

It does.  Winning's winning.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm not sure if varric being the only one left standing with 2 hp counts as winning but I won so...yay?

Nice! The beginning of the game is the hardest on Nightmare. After Skyhold, it'll get a lot easier.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Nice! The beginning of the game is the hardest on Nightmare. After Skyhold, it'll get a lot easier.

Why skyhold specifically? Is it masterworks or specializations?

Edit: Now that I think about it isn't The pride demon and In Your Heart Shall Burn the hardest 2 points in the game?
Pride demon makes sense you have literally 0 options but why is in your heart shall burn hard?

Modifié par AnUnculturedLittlePotato, 04 septembre 2015 - 12:02 .

[PapaCharlie9]

Why skyhold specifically? Is it masterworks or specializations?

Edit: Now that I think about it isn't The pride demon and In Your Heart Shall Burn the hardest 2 points in the game?
Pride demon makes sense you have literally 0 options but why is in your heart shall burn hard?

And Champions of the Just boss/Hushed Whispers boss are challenging, if you attempt them at the low end of the level range, or even under level.

 

After Skyhold, NM challenge falls off rapidly if you play a typical game and keep up with crafting. With the exception of JoH, that stays challenging at level (20). If you over level it and maximize CC and damage output with crafting, it isn't that bad. You get a access to T4 mats just outside the first camp.

 

Heart Burn/Haven raid is challenging mostly because you are low level (few skill points) and your crafting is limited by low tier mats. But if you prepare adequately (e.g., make lots of Bee Grenades), the Haven raid isn't that hard.

 

BTW, congrats on Pride demon on NM. I have a strategy that works reliably (ran it twice with only one or two party members dying), but you don't need it now. It does require respecing the party specifically for the Pride demon battle, though, so you need 345x3 + 1 gold.  I used Cass, Varric and Solas.

[Cydh]

BTW, congrats on Pride demon on NM. I have a strategy that works reliably (ran it twice with only one or two party members dying), but you don't need it now. It does require respecing the party specifically for the Pride demon battle, though, so you need 345x3 + 1 gold.  I used Cass, Varric and Solas.

 

I feel stupid now. How do you respec during the prologue, and how would you use any other character?

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

 

BTW, congrats on Pride demon on NM. I have a strategy that works reliably (ran it twice with only one or two party members dying), but you don't need it now. It does require respecing the party specifically for the Pride demon battle, though, so you need 345x3 + 1 gold.  I used Cass, Varric and Solas.

Thanks. I might be doing it again. After hearing ele mines got buffed and rift mage is still bugged I'm thinking of going to the good ole artificer archer build.
Probably gonna take Dorian instead of Varric and have Sera archer and Cass s&s so we'll see how that goes .
*I also may or may not have uploaded the wrong hawke ;~;*

Edit: Also how do you respec or use anyone else in the prologue?

Modifié par AnUnculturedLittlePotato, 04 septembre 2015 - 09:34 .

[capn233]

I don't think you can respec in the prologue, unless there is a mod that allows it.

[Forsythia77]

My strategy is to run around in circles around the rock pillar and cast barrier on myself as much as possible.  Then I try to wake Cass/Varric/Solas up and run around the pillar some more and try to take out the minor demons and avoid the pride demon.  I did this once as a DW rogue too.  Well, not the casting bit.  The running around the pillar like an idiot bit.  It was actually easier for me to beat that demon as a DW Rogue than a mage.  The game starts you out with the two crappiest spells to punk you. 

 

Everyone speaks true, the game gets way easy post Skyhold.  You might get occasionally hit by a rogue and killed, but it is few and far between.  And JoH's difficulty is almost stupid hard.  Really it is the groups of Hakkonites and those stupid Hakkonite spies that kill you.  You can avoid the AoE damage from the warriors easily enough, but the spies stealth up on you and kill you with one shot even if you have full guard and barrier up.  The Hakkonites almost broke me. 

[PapaCharlie9]

I feel stupid now. How do you respec during the prologue, and how would you use any other character?

No, I'm the one that's stupid. I was confusing the Haven raid with Pride demon in Prologue. No respec. Just tactics.

I should mention this is for an IQ mage. Might work for an archer too; basically, ranged attacks. I haven't worked out a strategy for a melee IQ yet.

I stick Varric and Solas up on one of the corner raised ledges (Tactical, Hold Position), with an NPC archer, and I give them very few or no access to healing potions. I leave them Follow Controlled. I set Cass to Follow Self and prefer Shield Wall, then send her in to keep the Pride Demon busy. With Shield Wall up she does a pretty good job tanking and attracting aggro without sucking down too many potions. She is usually the first to die, though.

The rest is as others have mentioned. Keep the pillar between you and the Pride Demon, cirlce and zap the rift as soon as you can, to lower the demon's defenses. When he's vulnerable, switch to Cass and get in as many whacks as possible, ideally moving to flank. When the demon is back up, switch back to IQ.

When the adds spawn, have IQ, Varric and Solas focus on them and take them out right away. Cass stays on the Pride Demon. I set target on the nearest add to me, to make sure Varric and Solas give fire support. Once they are down, I switch target back to the Pride demon.

Sometimes, when Cass is down and the Pride Demon goes to beat on someone else, you can run over and revive her, but it depends on how many health potions are left.

 

EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot that I also have Cass prefer Taunt to help keep the demon aggro on her.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

No, I'm the one that's stupid. I was confusing the Haven raid with Pride demon in Prologue. No respec. Just tactics.

I should mention this is for an IQ mage. Might work for an archer too; basically, ranged attacks. I haven't worked out a strategy for a melee IQ yet.

I stick Varric and Solas up on one of the corner raised ledges (Tactical, Hold Position), with an NPC archer, and I give them very few or no access to healing potions. I leave them Follow Controlled. I set Cass to Follow Self and prefer Shield Wall, then send her in to keep the Pride Demon busy. With Shield Wall up she does a pretty good job tanking and attracting aggro without sucking down too many potions. She is usually the first to die, though.

The rest is as others have mentioned. Keep the pillar between you and the Pride Demon, cirlce and zap the rift as soon as you can, to lower the demon's defenses. When he's vulnerable, switch to Cass and get in as many whacks as possible, ideally moving to flank. When the demon is back up, switch back to IQ.

When the adds spawn, have IQ, Varric and Solas focus on them and take them out right away. Cass stays on the Pride Demon. I set target on the nearest add to me, to make sure Varric and Solas give fire support. Once they are down, I switch target back to the Pride demon.

Sometimes, when Cass is down and the Pride Demon goes to beat on someone else, you can run over and revive her, but it depends on how many health potions are left.

And a rogue could just stealth them off right?
Actually how many points away is knockout bomb? >.>''' A human get's 2 so If I'm remembering right I could grab Knockout bomb and just stun the shades.

[Dabrikishaw]

Knockout Bomb is like 3 points in. Stealth > Easy to Miss > Knockout Bomb.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Knockout Bomb is like 3 points in. Stealth > Easy to Miss > Knockout Bomb.

Don't rogues start with stealth though?
With the human bonus that gives me KOB. The question I guess is is it worth it?

[Dabrikishaw]

I don't know, when I played Nightmare as a Qunari Rouge I used Stealth to drop aggo and disrupt the mark in peace.

[correctamundo]

I don't know, when I played Nightmare as a Qunari Rouge I was used Stealth to drop aggo and disrupt the mark in peace.

 

Yes and the shades die if you disrupt the rift. So you don't have to fight them if drop into stealth when they show and then quickly disrupt the rift. It is harder ofc for the non-rogues.

[ApostleinTriumph]

JoH on Nightmare was hard with my Archer and SnS Warrior, but on my DW Rogue it was super easy since I brought Solas.

 

Pull of the Abbyss+Unload all you've got+Deathblow=Done.

 

Really, I think out of all my playthroughs (3 of them Nightmare) my DW Rogue was the easiest because how much damage I was putting out. It was insane, really.

 

About the Pride Demon in the beginning, yes it is difficult on Nightmare but disrupting rift is the key. It was easy for my rogue since I just used Stealth and then disrupted but for mages and warriors I can see it can be difficult.

[BIGLEE337]

I've found by moving Varric and Solas to raised part in the bottom left hand corner and having Cassandra taunt the pride demon in the other direction at the start of the battle really helps on Nightmare. And making sure your Inquisitor disrupts the rifts as soon as possible will make things easier.

[Cyrus Amell]

With Solas, I find it helpful to turn off all of his spell use in his tactics so that you have complete control over when he does and does not use a spell. That way when you need a barrier you will not have to worry about him being out of mana at the time. 

 

Also, Leliana is also fighting alongside you and will take damage and fall down when severely injured. She can be be raised up like a normal companion if you hold down the cursor over her with one of your main companions. She will provide some needed distraction to the shades. 

 

Lastly, always try to ignite the breach with your inquisitor when feasible. If you win the fight, it will likely be a close call. 

[sunnydxmen]

This so funny i whoop that pride demon on nightmare just a couple of seconds ago with my knight enchanter .did not have any trouble whatsoever.

[PapaCharlie9]

This so funny i whoop that pride demon on nightmare just a couple of seconds ago with my knight enchanter .did not have any trouble whatsoever.

Sure you did.

 

We're talking about the Pride demon in the Prologue.