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[actionhero112]

I'm calling bullshit until we find out Solas killed children as well. 

He gave the orb to Cory, who then almost destroyed the entire world.

 

Out of all the companions, Solas has possibly the highest body count.

 

"Oh well he didn't know that cory was an evil darkspawn magister bent on destroying the world"

 

Really? REALLY? Have you seen Cory? 

 

I like Solas, but he's made a mistake a million times worse than killing one family. He almost brought about the end of the goddamn world and is responsible for all the families giving the orb to Cory cost. 

[jones81381]

He gave the orb to Cory, who then almost destroyed the entire world.

 

Out of all the companions, Solas has possibly the highest body count.

 

"Oh well he didn't know that cory was an evil darkspawn magister bent on destroying the world"

 

Really? REALLY? Have you seen Cory? 

 

I like Solas, but he's made a mistake a million times worse than killing one family. He almost brought about the end of the goddamn world and is responsible for all the families giving the orb to Cory cost. 

 

Key word there, mistake. Blackwall knew what he was doing. He didn't plan on the family being there, true, but he also didn't bother to tell his men to spare them if they happened to be there.

[Vargeisa]

I really would have liked to have had a discussion with Sera about the whole Blackwall situation.

 

Normally she would have been the first to put an arrow to his face for what he has done. But because she knows him she's all for forgiveness al of a sudden. Would have liked to have called her out on it. Even though I love Sera.

[actionhero112]

Key word there, mistake. Blackwall knew what he was doing. He didn't plan on the family being there, true, but he also didn't bother to tell his men to spare them if they happened to be there.

 

 

He was told by the noble that doing this was righteous. Considering how many nobles you've killed in inquisition, one would think you'd be more sympathetic. 

 

Blackwall also made a mistake, he trusted the wrong man and innocents payed for it. However Solas made his own decision to give the orb to cory, regardless of the consequences and so many more payed the price. His actions should appall you. 

 

The real reason anyone gives two craps about this, is that blackwall has a conscience about these deaths, while the rest of your companions have no regrets about the innocent deaths their actions have caused. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

I really would have liked to have had a discussion with Sera about the whole Blackwall situation.

 

Normally she would have been the first to put an arrow to his face for what he has done. But because she knows him she's all for forgiveness al of a sudden. Would have liked to have called her out on it. Even though I love Sera.

 

The difference is that Blackwall tried to be better then what we has afterwards and dedicated his life to helping people. 

 

Key word there, mistake. Blackwall knew what he was doing. He didn't plan on the family being there, true, but he also didn't bother to tell his men to spare them if they happened to be there.

 

Solas knew that Corypheus was a Tevinter magister and overall monster. He knew that Corypheus planned on unlocking the orb at the Temple of Sacred Ashes which is why he was so close by when the explosion happened. And he knew that unlocking it would result in a massive explosion or else why risk Corypheus having it.

 

Mistake or not he's responsible for giving a madman a weapon capable of destroying the world. Solas is one of favorite companions in this franchise, but the man has blood on hands that he needs to answer for. 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

The same thing I did with every companion, let him off. There are hardly any companions in the series without innocent blood on their hands and Blackwall is no different.

[Vargeisa]

The difference is that Blackwall tried to be better then what we has afterwards and dedicated his life to helping people. 

 

Had Sera not cut their lives short any one of her victims could have possibly turned their lives around.

That's what I wanted to call her out on. Her black and white view. Not her forgiveness of Blackwall.

[Vearsin]

He gave the orb to Cory, who then almost destroyed the entire world.

 

Out of all the companions, Solas has possibly the highest body count.

 

"Oh well he didn't know that cory was an evil darkspawn magister bent on destroying the world"

 

Really? REALLY? Have you seen Cory? 

 

I like Solas, but he's made a mistake a million times worse than killing one family. He almost brought about the end of the goddamn world and is responsible for all the families giving the orb to Cory cost. 

To me being right there, seeing those about to be killed, civilians, kids for god sake, and allowing it to happen is worst. 

[Gilsa]

THAT would be awesome if there were consequences for yanking Blackwall from Orlais' jurisdiction. I fought for Isabela and I'll fight for Blackwall. BRING EEEEEEET. =D

[Gold Dragon]

In regards to

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Solas giving his orb to Corypheus

 

Please remember that Solas didn't know about

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Cory's boby jump ability

and so expected him to die.

 

Still bad, but not nearly as intentional as what Ranier did.

[actionhero112]

In regards to

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Solas giving his orb to Corypheus

 

Please remember that Solas didn't know about

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Cory's boby jump ability

and so expected him to die.

 

Still bad, but not nearly as intentional as what Ranier did.

Because that excuses everything. Ultimately, when both of these characters made their decisions, they set in motion events that ended with innocents dead. Both of them were misled. The difference is that Solas made a decision that put in jeopardy the entire world and killed hundreds if not thousands, while Blackwall only killed one family. 

 

Maybe Solas shouldn't have been screwing with artifacts and darkspawn in the first place. This entire game's main conflict is his fault. He almost destroyed the world. 

 

But of course blackwall's worse because killing one family is worse than killing hundreds of innocents.

 

Blackwall wasn't even there, he just gave the order to his men. He was also obeying a command from a superior officer under influence of coin. He also didn't know the children would be there. Honestly Blackwall's decision was much more influenced than Solas's was, and he gets much more sympathy from me. Solas is a xxx year old god, one would think he would have better judgement. 

[Vearsin]

I think Blackwall was there. There was a party banter where Cole read his mind and started quoting the song the kids were singing at the time. 

[actionhero112]

I think Blackwall was there. There was a party banter where Cole read his mind and started quoting the song the kids were singing at the time. 

" I gave the order to kill lord callier, his entourage, and I lied to my men about what they were doing, when it came to light I ran" 

 

 

 

So either he ran immediately after seeing the children upon taking the carriage, or he ran after hearing about it. From the language it's more likely that the latter happened. I assume he ordered the hit, and his men reported back, or he surveyed the battle from afar. In both he wasn't in a position to save them. 

 

Even then it doesn't matter. He didn't know about the children to begin with, he was ordered by a superior and he was offered coin to do it. All of which are motivating factors.

 

Solas just straight up gave an elven artifact over to a power crazed darkspawn magister. 

 

Funnily enough, I pity Blackwall more than Solas's inane decision. 

[Giantdeathrobot]

Pardoned him pretty much all the time.

 

It's hypocritical to accept leliana, zevran, sten, morrigan and the rest of your companions who are murderers and then kill blackwall. Takes absolutely no self awareness. 

 

That is my take on it too. Our characters massacre humans, giants, and nugs on a daily basis. Some, like Leliana and Zevran, are cold-blooded assassins. Others like Isabela can easily let a city burn if it means no consequences for them. To say nothing of Anders.

 

To accept them, then get all high and mighty on Blackwall is hypocritical. He has spent years attempting to atone for his actions. He is there, fighting with he Inquisition when he in fact has few obligations to. Cole search his mind and affirms that the Blackwall of today would stop the Thom Rainier of yore from killing those children. To me, that's enough to keep him.

[Vearsin]

" I gave the order to kill lord callier, his entourage, and I lied to my men about what they were doing, when it came to light I ran" 

 

 

 

So either he ran immediately after seeing the children upon taking the carriage, or he ran after hearing about it. From the language it's more likely that the latter happened. I assume he ordered the hit, and his men reported back, or he surveyed the battle from afar. In both he wasn't in a position to save them. 

 

Even then it doesn't matter. He didn't know about the children to begin with, he was ordered by a superior and he was offered coin to do it. All of which are motivating factors.

If he was close enough to hear them singing he was close enough to make it stop. 

[renfrees]

I really would have liked to have had a discussion with Sera about the whole Blackwall situation.

 

Normally she would have been the first to put an arrow to his face for what he has done. But because she knows him she's all for forgiveness al of a sudden. Would have liked to have called her out on it. Even though I love Sera.

He killed a noble family. Isn't that what she's doing?

 

All your companions are murderers. The only difference is that Blackwall lied about it.

[actionhero112]

If he was close enough to hear them singing he was close enough to make it stop. 

 

 

And Solas was in the area when Cory destroyed the conclave.

[Vearsin]

And Solas was in the area when Cory destroyed the conclave.

Yes and I was in the area when the local bank got robbed, what of it?

[renfrees]

And Solas was in the area when Cory destroyed the conclave.

The question is - what Solas was doing in the area?

[actionhero112]

Yes and I was in the area when the local bank got robbed, what of it?

Shouldn't he have done something to stop the impending massacre? That's what you expected of Blackwall?

 

Also I looked up the banter, Cole says nothing about the children singing the song, rather that they knew it, which is completely different. 

[Vearsin]

Shouldn't he have done something to stop the impending massacre? That's what you expected of Blackwall?

 

Also I looked up the banter, Cole says nothing about the children singing the song, rather that they knew it, which is completely differe 

So either Blackwall heard it and Cole read his memory, or Cole is omnipotent enough to know the thought process of those he came in contact with. 

[actionhero112]

So either Blackwall heard it and Cole read his memory, or Cole is omnipotent enough to know the thought process of those he came in contact with. 

 

If Solas was in the area and it became apparent that Cory was going to try to use the orb as a gateway to the fade in the conclave killing hundreds of delegation members, shouldn't he have done something? I mean he caused the situation, he gave the orb to Cory. Shouldn't he have tried to get it back rather than sacrifice the entire conclave? 

 

It's a pity that Solas decided the lives of everyone at the peace talks were worth so little.

 

But I guess Blackwall is worse than him. I mean, he knew the children were there to begin with right? Oh no. He didn't. Oh well at least he wasn't coerced into doing it by a figure of authority right? Oh wait he was.

 

What Blackwall did was wrong, but to kill him for it or judge him harsher than Solas is just hypocritical. 

[Vearsin]

Nice dodge. 

If Solas was in the area and it became apparent that Cory was going to try to use the orb as a gateway to the fade in the conclave killing hundreds of delegation members, shouldn't he have done something? I mean he caused the situation, he gave the orb to Cory. Shouldn't he have tried to get it back rather than sacrifice the entire conclave? 

 

It's a pity that Solas decided the lives of everyone at the peace talks were worth so little.

 

But I guess Blackwall is worse than him. I mean, he knew the children were there to begin with right? Oh no. He didn't. Oh well at least he wasn't coerced into doing it by a figure of authority right? Oh wait he was.

 

What Blackwall did was wrong, but to kill him for it or judge him harsher than Solas is just hypocritical. 

The problem is we are arguing two very different levels of blame here. 

[actionhero112]

The problem is we are arguing two very different levels of blame here. 

They are both direct causation. Blackwall gave the order to his men to assault the entourage, and Solas gave the orb to Corypheus. They are both responsible for the results of those actions. 

The difference is one of scale. Blackwall killed less people than Solas did through his actions. 

[Vearsin]

They are both direct causation. Blackwall gave the order to his men to assault the entourage, and Solas gave the orb to Corypheus. They are both responsible for the results of those actions. 

The difference is one of scale. Blackwall killed less people than Solas did through his actions. 

Directly on a small scale, or indirectly on a large one. Its up to whoever which is worst . I don't know why I got into this, 4 years I've manged to avoid these arguments.