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[Deadly dwarf]

Okay, I hardened Alistair beforehand.  I got both Alistair and Anora to agree to marry.  At the Landsmeet, we defeat Loghain.  Riordan tries to recruit him into Grey Wardens.  Alistair has his hissy fit and then all of a sudden I have to side either with Anora or the "Alistair will be king" option.  I chose the latter because I didn't want to put Anora on the throne alone.  And then Loghain is executed.  What did I do wrong?  I wanted Loghain in the Wardens and Alistair on the throne.  What did I screw up?

[Yaroub]

You failed at hardening him probably, how the dialogue went?

 

After telling him "everyone is out for themselves, you should know that".

 

if his approval is friendly or adore i believe, once you return to camp he'll thank you, and the obvious thing is not to tell him "That's not what i meant".

 

By then you should be good to go.

[Deadly dwarf]

Hmmm....I did do the right dialogue at Goldanna's to harden him but never followed up at camp.  (It's easy to skip "chit chat" on a follow-on playthrough, but you forget that it's always the first time for your companions.)  On the other hand, now that he's king, he wants my PC to stick around.  I'll have to check youtube to see how the landsmeet conversation went to recruit Loghain.

[sylvanaerie]

Hmmm....I did do the right dialogue at Goldanna's to harden him but never followed up at camp.  (It's easy to skip "chit chat" on a follow-on playthrough, but you forget that it's always the first time for your companions.)  On the other hand, now that he's king, he wants my PC to stick around.  I'll have to check youtube to see how the landsmeet conversation went to recruit Loghain.

 

You have to do the follow up conversation in camp or he isn't hardened.  Unhardened means  your only options after that are "Loghain dies and Alistair rules with or without Anora" or "Loghain lives and Alistair walks away/is executed".  If you have succeeded in hardening him, you then inform the Landsmeet Alistair and Anora will rule together.  Alistair leaves the party, although he sticks around in Eamon's estate and Loghain is recruited.

 

My only suggestion would be, if you have a save right before the Landsmeet, go to camp, talk to Alistair and confirm the hardening then redo the Landsmeet.  It should set you back on track.

[Vanalia]

I hope I won't fail that.

 

Is there a Loghain appreciation thread around, or is there none because haters would invite themselves?

 

It would be cool to have a topic of "Loghain appreciation", instead of creating various topics about him. It would be a topic with no debate (to avoid people fighting each other about Loghain being a traitor/monster/right/wrong) and only for sharing fanarts, links to fanfics, or positive things about a character we like.

[thats1evildude]

Is there a Loghain appreciation thread around

 

I would appreciate seeing his head on a pike.

[sylvanaerie]

I hope I won't fail that.

 

Is there a Loghain appreciation thread around, or is there none because haters would invite themselves?

 

It would be cool to have a topic of "Loghain appreciation", instead of creating various topics about him. It would be a topic with no debate (to avoid people fighting each other about Loghain being a traitor/monster/right/wrong) and only for sharing fanarts, links to fanfics, or positive things about a character we like.

 

There is one but it's been a ghost town recently (Since it's not on the front page of the forums).  I'm sure if you go a few pages back you'll find it.  I'd say use the search engine, but since every thread seems to turn to Loghain regardless of topic, that's an exercise in futility.

[Mike3207]

Do a Advanced search for Loghain in Dragon Age Origins, and sort by replies for "Teyrn Loghain is the Deepest Character in Dragon Age."

 

It hasn't been updated for 3 years however, and might be archived soon if it doesn't start up again soon. I guess after 500 pages you sort of talk thing out about Loghain-maybe.

[Vanalia]

Yeah, that's why a new topic might be better? something with a clear title, which would not attract endless debates and haters coming to say that they hate him and how monstruous he is to sell elves blablah.

 

There are other threads to do so.

 

It would be cool to have a peaceful thread with a warning on the first post, like "this thread is only for people who appreciate the character and want to share what they like about him" ?

[sylvanaerie]

Yeah, that's why a new topic might be better? something with a clear title, which would not attract endless debates and haters coming to say that they hate him and how monstruous he is to sell elves blablah.

 

There are other threads to do so.

 

It would be cool to have a peaceful thread with a warning on the first post, like "this thread is only for people who appreciate the character and want to share what they like about him" ?

 

The worst that would happen if you started something like this is a mod would shut it down for repetition on the boards, but then they usually include a link to point you to the other thread you can use.  Since it's so old and hasn't been used much lately, and kinda big, a new thread with a clear post of 'why this is a thread of appreciation and not a flaming mess' may be a good idea.

 

Both the Alistair and Zevran appreciation threads got so huge they had to be restarted, and that was on the old BSN boards!

 

Won't stop haters from hating, but at least you can 'ignore' repeated posters if they are just there to troll and enjoy discussion with others who enjoy the character.

 

I say, go for it!

[Vanalia]

I know that many people who like Loghain just stopped posting about him because of haters always coming back, but well, I hope they will come back. The Cullen thread is really going well in the DA:I forum and it's quite friendly and peaceful, I know it will be much harder to make a peaceful thread about a "villain" of the story, as he is quite controversial 

 

Now DA:O is getting old and we don't have new things coming out (well, he was in DA:I) so I hope the thread can last. 

[sylvanaerie]

I know that many people who like Loghain just stopped posting about him because of haters always coming back, but well, I hope they will come back. The Cullen thread is really going well in the DA:I forum and it's quite friendly and peaceful, I know it will be much harder to make a peaceful thread about a "villain" of the story, as he is quite controversial 

 

Now DA:O is getting old and we don't have new things coming out (well, he was in DA:I) so I hope the thread can last. 

 

I dislike him immensely, to the point it's difficult for me to be civil about him, but I try, especially when someone is as nice as you are.  I promise to stay out of it if you make one  .  

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I actually liked his cameo in DA:I.  His response to Nightmare was the best one of the three warden guest stars.  I just can't resist poking sticks at his fans about him.  

[Vanalia]

I'm going through the topic "Loghain is the deepest character" and I see a loooot of debates, and always to same ones. Even if very nice people who dislike him make interesting comments and critiques, I just wish to make a topic where the fans of Loghain (even the ones who think he is evil but still like him for his personality) would not have to repeat again and again the same arguments to defend their favorite character. Sometimes when you like a villain you always feel like you're in a Court and have to defend the character all the time.

 

I'll try to be clear in the explanation of my thread when I create it 

[sylvanaerie]

I'm going through the topic "Loghain is the deepest character" and I see a loooot of debates, and always to same ones. Even if very nice people who dislike him make interesting comments and critiques, I just wish to make a topic where the fans of Loghain (even the ones who think he is evil but still like him for his personality) would not have to repeat again and again the same arguments to defend their favorite character. Sometimes when you like a villain you always feel like you're in a Court and have to defend the character all the time.

 

I'll try to be clear in the explanation of my thread when I create it 

 

Sometimes it's that way about Morrigan too.  I like her, though I can see the flaws in her, it makes her more human to me.  She has a lot of fans, but a lot of players hate her.  It's the ones who don't even take the time to see past the outer shell of characterization that annoy me.

 

I'm that way about Loghain as well, just I dislike him instead of liking him.  After 6 years of debate and arguing I still don't like him, but I can appreciate the complexity of characterization put forth into him.  He's definitely the villain for me (because hating the Archdemon is like hating an earthquake or a hurricane), he's understandable, relatable and flawed.  And human.  He makes mistakes, but that's what makes him interesting.

[Vanalia]

And really I prefer an enemy like Loghain than one like Corypheus.

 

Usually an enemy is made to be hated in some way, because when you're the hero you are supposed to have motivation to kill him at the end. I'm glad they gave the option to spare his life if we want to, it is unexpected and original in a video game (or story). That's why it would be too bad not to seize the opportunity

[sylvanaerie]

And really I prefer an enemy like Loghain than one like Corypheus.

 

Usually an enemy is made to be hated in some way, because when you're the hero you are supposed to have motivation to kill him at the end. I'm glad they gave the option to spare his life if we want to, it is unexpected and original in a video game (or story). That's why it would be too bad not to seize the opportunity

After Loghain, Cory is such a let down.    Even loopy Anime-Meredith was more relatable.  I wish DAI had gone more into his lore and history. 

I enjoyed DAI, don't get me wrong, but enjoying it for the big bad?  Nuh-uh.  I enjoyed immensely every single companion this time (first time ever in the games).  I enjoyed the combat (an unexpected change for me since I normally play healer mages) and there are parts of the Inquisition I liked, like the judgments and getting to actually explore around the zones.  And the overall story was interesting, just the build up to the end was a little lacking.

[Vanalia]

Yes I defeated Cory in no time and... that was it. He doesn't have the depht Loghain has...

[sylvanaerie]

Yes I defeated Cory in no time and... that was it. He doesn't have the depht Loghain has...

Truly sad part is, Legacy is my favorite DLC in all three games.  I really liked the warden lore (especially if you bring a warden Carver/Bethany), and the lore on Hawke's family (and the warden connection) and Varric's family.  There was drama, new dialogues, interesting puzzles and a brand spanking new/old threat in

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the risen magister.

 There was so much potential there that didn't (IMO) get lived up to in application in DAI.  

Maybe I was expecting too much, but DAI felt like it was another DA2 expansion/DLC with an entirely new protagonist.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Maybe I was expecting too much, but DAI felt like it was another DA2 expansion/DLC with an entirely new protagonist.

DAI would have been far more compelling (and made more sense) if they had gone with the original plan and had Hawke as the Inquisitor.

[Vanalia]

I didn't know that Hawke was supposed to be the Inquisitor. But it would have messed up the romances, just like Shepard in ME who cannot start a new romance in ME3 if it was not started in ME2, things like this. 

[sylvanaerie]

I didn't know that Hawke was supposed to be the Inquisitor. But it would have messed up the romances, just like Shepard in ME who cannot start a new romance in ME3 if it was not started in ME2, things like this. 

I imagine, like Awakenings it would have been a larger DLC/expansion with Hawke as the protagonist, and whomever he romanced still his romance.  The warden gets a letter (though it wasn't part of the initial release) if his/her love was Zev or Leliana explaining where they are or a flirty cameo from King Alistair if she romanced and/or married him.  Either we would have gotten something similar for Hawke or Hawke's actual companions would have been with him.  If not, in the end she/he would have returned to Kirkwall and his/her love.

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The Anders romance however would make what happened kind of problematic though.  I wonder how the choice between Templars/mages and what do do with the wardens would have gone down.  Having to rescue a still living Anders would have been kind of interesting too.

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the couple of games I had of Inquisition before I got too sick to play it.  But, as it is, Inquisition feels like a decent story padded with a lot of filler, and a boss who seems more like a mini-boss than 'the big bad'.  It definitely does not feel like a fully realized game on its own.  I have yet to play the DLCs though.  My kid says the JoH and Trespasser ones were good (I even saw some of Trespasser when it was played).  And it looks like it wraps up the story well, without closing it entirely with ending slides for your companions and the world after it's events.  Descent was 'too short', but I still want to play it too.

[Vanalia]

Well, Joh and Descent are more like "big dungeons", and Trespasser has more roleplay (didn't finish it yet).

 

Well I don't really like the way they handle romances in Mass Effect, because depending on your choices in the previous ME, you can end up with absolutly no romance at all, or just a little cameo of some seconds of your lover from the previous game, and no possibility to romance anyone else. That's sad.

[sylvanaerie]

Well, Joh and Descent are more like "big dungeons", and Trespasser has more roleplay (didn't finish it yet).

 

Well I don't really like the way they handle romances in Mass Effect, because depending on your choices in the previous ME, you can end up with absolutly no romance at all, or just a little cameo of some seconds of your lover from the previous game, and no possibility to romance anyone else. That's sad.

 

I never played ME.  I can't get beyond the atrocious CC in ME1 and the ugly Shepard (who bore more than a passing resemblance to a pooch) and the whole shoot em up playstyle.  And the dumb ass ending you get after all that investment of time and energy into a character and game.  Frankly, makes me glad we get a different protagonist in each installment of DA. 

Shepard's namesake was a pretty cool idea though.

[Chaos Imperius]

You have to harden him to make them both alive  to do it you must do his personal quest after talking with her sister he will drags you outside to chat there you must tell him "Everyone is out for themselves" also raise Alistair's approval to friendly or adore and chat with him he has been thinking and wants to stand up for himself more, Any response except "That's not what i meant, Don't do that" will harden him. Or use console to harden him 

[Vanalia]

You have to harden him to make them both alive  to do it you must do his personal quest after talking with her sister he will drags you outside to chat there you must tell him "Everyone is out for themselves" also raise Alistair's approval to friendly or adore and chat with him he has been thinking and wants to stand up for himself more, Any response except "That's not what i meant, Don't do that" will harden him. Or use console to harden him 

 

Can we spare Loghain even if Alistair is not hardened? in that case Loghain is alive and Alistair leaves and becomes a drunk guy?