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[RakhanaBby]

Kal'Reegar vas "BAD ASS QUARIAN MARINE" either needed a better send-off than a goddamn e-mail article, or an on-screen death where he fought bravely or inevitably. (same goes with Aresh the biotic kid experimented like Jack was, Corporal Toombs from the Akuze N7 team disaster who ended up being in a mercenary group, Emily Wong and her hard-ass journalism, and that Asari scientist who turned out to be denying indoctrination and committed suicide)

Like, really. That's just poor writing on Mass Effect's part... 

[DeathScepter]

Taking cue from Dead Space. During rewrite, have a semi secular religious organization called Paragons of Our Kind. Their belief is that They are an human organization that believes in that Aliens races are superiors to humans in all things and overtime they focus their ideals with the Reapers due to the Reapers is the ultimate expression of Alien superiority over humans. Due to their increasing membership, they accept Aliens and let them whatever position they like. Starting more of a parody of Ancient Alien Theorists movement moving into a legit semi religious organization that worships the Reapers and taking members from all species. Indoctrination inducing madness and Fanaticism in every step of the Paragons of Our Kind within this rewrite.

[RakhanaBby]

Taking cue from Dead Space. During rewrite, have a semi secular religious organization called Paragons of Our Kind. Their belief is that They are an human organization that believes in that Aliens races are superiors to humans in all things and overtime they focus their ideals with the Reapers due to the Reapers is the ultimate expression of Alien superiority over humans. Due to their increasing membership, they accept Aliens and let them whatever position they like. Starting more of a parody of Ancient Alien Theorists movement moving into a legit semi religious organization that worships the Reapers and taking members from all species. Indoctrination inducing madness and Fanaticism in every step of the Paragons of Our Kind within this rewrite.

I think they had that jazz in Halo, from what people tell me. Still, "Paragon Of Our Kind", damn....

[DeathScepter]

I think they had that jazz in Halo, from what people tell me. Still, "Paragon Of Our Kind", damn....

 

 

With Indoctrination(from the lore I understand{case in point Saren and Liara's mother of ME1 fame and that Hanar from the ME3 sidequest worship the Reaper}), More indoctrinated a person is, more they do tend to see Reaper as "gods" or beings worship. So Having a Multi species organization that is Indoctrinated by the Reapers would make both storyline and gameplay sense.  Starting as a parody of Ancient Alien Theorists and New Age hippies into a legit organization that includes all species within Mass Effect trilogy would be interesting. So Comedy into Nightmare Fuel can be good

[The Real Pearl #2]

I would add dogs.

And more animal companions

And more bars

[DeathScepter]

I would add dogs.

And more animal companions

And more bars

 

 

that reminds of a dream i had awhile back of a Dog jumping from an Alliance/Cerberus Shuttle and mauling A Collector. yes it is epic as it sounds. I would call the Dream, The Siege of General Satos City of the Phillippies. My task was to free up a Hospital that an online friend was working at. I did save her and her daughter(rest of her family made it out already) and Eloisa point at a dog and her puppies and a cat and her kittens. So me and Eloisa did escort for the animals and call the Reinforcments and I help May and her daughter on to the Shuttle and handed the Animals. Then the Mama Dog leap on to the collector soldier behind me and attack him. Of course i helped the Dog and handed to Eloisa and one of the soldiers show Eloisa on to put the Medi-gel on the dog. They left the hot zone and the next squad had 2 Geth Juggernauts and a N7 Fury. The N7 Fury was kindva hot too. Me and the rest of the new Squad Fought off the Rest of the Collectors and push into General Satos City.

[The Real Pearl #2]

that reminds of a dream i had awhile back of a Dog jumping from an Alliance/Cerberus Shuttle and mauling A Collector. yes it is epic as it sounds. I would call the Dream, The Siege of General Satos City of the Phillippies. My task was to free up a Hospital that an online friend was working at. I did save her and her daughter(rest of her family made it out already) and Eloisa point at a dog and her puppies and a cat and her kittens. So me and Eloisa did escort for the animals and call the Reinforcments and I help May and her daughter on to the Shuttle and handed the Animals. Then the Mama Dog leap on to the collector soldier behind me and attack him. Of course i helped the Dog and handed to Eloisa and one of the soldiers show Eloisa on to put the Medi-gel on the dog. They left the hot zone and the next squad had 2 Geth Juggernauts and a N7 Fury. The N7 Fury was kindva hot too. Me and the rest of the new Squad Fought off the Rest of the Collectors and push into General Satos City.

krogan dreams 2.0

[DeathScepter]

krogan dreams 2.0

 

 

Well I do admit that I have several Mass Effect influence dreams. One of them does involve Wrex with a Krogan Warlord's WarHammer fighting Daleks from Doctor Who and it is very pure and scary as hell to see Wrex in a Krogan's bloodrage with a Warhammer fighting insanely hard against the Daleks.

[Pasquale1234]

Well that's the rub. She's the Prothean specialist and a trained Biotic. And she did end up on the squad and performed well without formal military training.
 
While we're on the subject, Tali doesn't have military training, yet her technical ability compensates for the lack of military training. Garus may come from a military culture, but he was a cop, not a soldier. Wrex has a militaristic background and experience, but again, no formal training. Just aptitude.
 
So if training is the requirement of being a squad mate, then everyone except Ash and Kaiden have to be excluded unless you open up the parameters of acceptance to allow those with aptitude in combat to fight.

I always found it easy enough to headcanon.

Tali had apparently had some training in self-defense; she did manage to evade Fist's attempts on her life and also helped in the battle with the assassins when Shepard found her. Liara made some comments about having used her biotics for self-defense at some dig sites.

I generally don't take either of them on the first few missions after recruitment, but instead headcanon that Ashley gets them zeegee certified with weapons and Kaiden teaches them the fine points of tactical use of tech and biotic skills in combat. Then Shepard starts taking them out on some of the exploration missions, where they gradually gain experience and confidence, and are seasoned combatants by the end of the game.

Wrex is a veteran battlemaster and mercenary, and really only needs to learn to work with Shepard's team. Garrus is also an expert with weapons and has a fair bit of tactical knowledge - though I still have Kaidan work with both of them regarding tech and biotic skill usage.

As Mordin would say, "not difficult".

[aoibhealfae]

If I remember right, Garrus does have military training because military service is the second tier above civilian class and its one of the requirement for citizenship. (yeah, Turian Empire sounds really nice and peachy...) But I would love it if Garrus and Lieutenant Victus character to combine as a character with General Victus as his father. Say, Garrus like Victus screwed up a mission and sacrificed his whole unit. He choose to leave the military, cut ties with his father but because of his experience (and nepotism), he became a cop at Citadel and use his mother's middle name instead. Then he befriended a turian Spectre named Nihlus and when he was killed by Saren, Garrus wanted revenge and joined Shepard. Still the same old Garrus with better motivation than "rules and regulations pi**ed me off. I want to do something. Do justice!!! and be badass of the universe! YEAH. *brofist*" 

 

Much of character combination would work too.

 

Liara + Shiala, Tali + that exiled girl she told you about in ME2 + Admiral Xen, Kaidan + James, Ashley + Parasini... oooh, hindsight....

 

The writers created a lot of unique characters but didn't understand that less is more. When you spend your time creating so much more interesting side characters you will reveal how fluffy your major characters can be. I love the game but spending so many time overthinking it is giving me headache... but hey, fanfic materials.

 

As much as I gripe about the nagging plot holes, threadbare characterization, experimental FPS, I also know that Mass Effect 1 isn't guaranteed to be a trilogy or top AAA game. I like the general narrative; a war between the galaxy and a powerful godlike creatures destined to kill everyone. I like the personal war Shepard deal against The Illusive Man. But as a trilogy, most of everything was a patchwork.

[iM3GTR]

Hardcore Asari "romance" scenes.


What?

[Linkenski]

Then I wouldn't. What matters is that I can remember how it went down and how destructive that was to my perception of the franchise in the first place. Rewriting it is bargaining and delusions that it can still be turned around, and i have no interest.

 

Mass Effect 2 and 3 would've only carried the franchise forward properly if EA hadn't bought Bioware, if they had stayed with MS as their primary publisher and if the exact same staff had been kept for all 3 games. No matter how big or small change in staff always ends up being noticeable. I would've been fine if Drew had stayed too and Chris L'Etoile and ME3's production went off a different route than it did while ME2 remained the same game, but yeah, I can keep dreaming about that alternate outcome.

 

The ME3 I got ruined the franchise for me and I've always loathed hearing Bioware say "we're proud of it" even if it admittedly has glimpses of being great. Even the best parts which are Tuchanka aren't worth writing home about IMO. Convenience made those parts unimmersive to me. That and good, isolated character interactions aside as well as a fantastic atmosphere, the rest was a hot mess and quite frankly garbage to my standards.

[StarcloudSWG]

PAY ATTENTION to what Liara says.

 

She's fought off pirates and wildlife both, on her own, at remote dig sites.

 

She might not be military, she might be shy and retiring in ME 1, but she is not your run of the mill human civilian archeologist.

[iM3GTR]

Have a final mission set after the Citadel geth invasion about Baines in ME1, which would have revealed the Illusive Man who would talk about missing colonies and given Shepard a reason to help Cerberus without the Lazarus project space magic.

[iM3GTR]

My headcanon: Liara was good at Biotics because she had a high midi-chlorian count.

[KaiserShep]

In ME1, the Thorian wouldn't be an enemy life form, and would be the source of the cipher after saving it from geth attempting to destroy it, essentially removing Shiala from the equation (I'm not at all compelled by her character and the clone fight is rather silly anyway). Liara would have been trained as a commando and refused to go with her mother when approached to help aid Saren with whatever. Saren cannot be convinced to shoot himself, and he's too far gone, necessitating a final fight. Can't really think of a resolution beyond that at the moment, but there would be no all-human council ending that's for sure.

In ME2, Project Lazarus first and foremost would be wiped. Shepard would survive the attack, but only barely. The rest is largely interchangeable with a coma or intensive surgery. We'd have the option to leave Jack to die on Purgatory station. I'd keep the loyalty missions I thought they were good, but Garrus would actually be affected by his mission in ME1. If you encouraged him taking out Dr. Heart, he would kill Sidonis no matter what, but can be convinced to spare him only if you chose to try to detain him. If Garrus wasn't recruited in ME1 or you didn't do the mission, he will always kill Sidonis. There would be no option to yell your way out of Tali's trial. You must convince Reegar and Vitor to speak on your behalf for the optimal outcome, so if Reegar is dead and/or Vitor was given to Cerberus, you must give the evidence or withhold it and take the exile decision. There would be no choice to destroy the Collector base itself.

In ME3, turian space would face the brunt of the attack, not sol. Earth would be attacked, but it wouldn't be the focal point of the war. A rogue faction of the STG that vehemently opposes curing the genophage would be the enemy we face on Sur'Kesh. Cant think anymore I'm tired of sitting in my office. Maybe more later.

[themikefest]

PAY ATTENTION to what Liara says.

 

She's fought off pirates and wildlife both, on her own, at remote dig sites.

How many pirates? What does wildlife have to do with anything? So a person that hunts wildlife for sport would qualify them to perform in a combat situation?

 

She has nothing. No training. No experience. The games even prove she's not squadmate material.

 

 

I forgot about this thread. I'll try to remember to continue where I left off.

[StarcloudSWG]

Yes, because clearly, the only kinds of animals that show up in remote wilderness are food animals fit only for hunting.

 

Not, you know, dangerous pack predators like varren or solo hunters like shatha. Those clearly don't exist.

 

And of course pirates and raiders only come in a couple at a time and not, say, a couple platoons hoping to find and haul away valuable-on-the-black-market / slave-market people, tech and prothean artifacts.

 

Anyway. I've just finished reading Seamus Young's very well reasoned critique of the Mass Effect trilogy (still ongoing) at twentysidedtales.com, and I'd start by removing Mass Effect 2 in its current form entirely. I'd rewrite it to focus on the detailed world-building that made Mass Effect so very different from the slapped-together schlock of Daddy Issues SR2. I'd rewrite it to focus on the mysteries of a galaxy still mostly unexplored, seeking out the means and methods with which to destroy the Reapers when they finally invade, and keep to the feel of a galaxy full of people who resent the brash newcomer upstarts rather than immediately making humans special special unique snowflakes.

 

Mass Effect 3 would then be about implementing the plan before the Reapers arrive, with the Reapers showing up partway through the game. Keep that tension building; "will the thingthatwinsthefight get built in time?". The opposition here wouldn't just be Cerberus (more humans are special crap), it'd be individuals of every galactic race, manipulated by the Collectors or indoctrinated by them.

[themikefest]

to continue from where I left off

 

- Shepard meets with the council after what happened on Horizon

- Shepard is briefed about the progress being made for the mission to darkspace.

- squadmates will want help taking care of a stuff. Loyalty missions. I won't go into detail about those. I might later on. All will be required before the game moves forward

- once those are completed, Miranda receives a memo from her boss, TIM, that a collector ship has been spotted. Shepard ask the Alliance to send in a reconnaissance ship to confirm. It is later confirmed its a ship, of unknown origins, that appears to be shutdown. Shepard makes the call to head there to investigate

- the mission plays out the same

- after the mission, its learned the reapers and collectors use an Identify Friend/foe (IFF). They have no idea where to get one. So at the moment, the mission is on hold

- later the Alliance mentions that a team of scientists, out exploring a planet, discovered what appears to be a weapon of some sort. Shepard heads to the location. It turns out to an extremely large weapon. The weapon isn't usuable. Shepard looks around and finds a couple of bunkers nearby. There appears some plans for the weapon though its in a different language. Its suggested these are the plans used to build it. Since the missions was currently at a stand still, Shepard decides to track what the weapon was aiming at

- the trajectory leads them to the derelict reaper. The biggest surprised is that it has Cerberus logos inside. Shepard questions Miranda about this. She has no idea what going on. An IFF is found.

- while Miranda messages her boss about what she saw on the derelict reaper, the Normandy heads to a rendezvous point to meet Anderson

- Shepard hands the IFF to Anderson who will be leading a fleet to stop the collectors. At this point, James is introduced as the one who will be leading the team against the collectors once they reach their homeworld

- Shepard heads back to the Citadel to make preparations for the missions to darkspace

- the Normandy is loaded up with 4 shuttles. All the explosives that might be needed. The asari, Salarian and turian councilors each send a squad to help Shepard

 

will continue later

[straykat]

The main thing I'd change is Miranda. I'd make her and TIM like the cinematic trailer. As outsiders.

 

Then I'd put Legion in the beginning of the game and make the Geth the ones who saved Shep. A lot of things could remain the same. Collector story, paranoia and lack of help from the Alliance -- but it'd be because you were working with Geth.

 

Then I'd make Miranda like Brooks, who comes in later as a spy and really lives up to the femme fatale stuff. Perhaps you could turn her to your side.. or perhaps she could do the same to you. 

[themikefest]

After making last minute checks, the Normandy uses the Citadel relay to take them to darkspace. After a few moments, an object is seen with what appears to be a few smaller objects surrounding it. The large object turns out to be an exact copy of the Citadel. The edi hologram scans the Citadel and finds a spot for the Normandy to dock. At this point, everyone is surprised they haven't run into any defenses or reapers. The edi hologram mentions there's strange readings coming from the Citadel tower.

 

Once Shepard reaches the location, a hologram appears. A very large hologram. It turns out to be a hologram of Leviathan. It asks why Shepard and company are here. Shepard explains why. That's when the Levigram talks about the reapers. But before it does, it tells Shepard they're not in any danger since the reapers are already heading to the Milky Way . There is only the workers that maintain the Citadel that will cause no harm.

 

The Levigram tells Shepard it was their species that had its thralls build the reapers. The reapers in turn were used to build the relays and Citadel in the Milky Way and darkspace. The reason for the relays was to make traveling easier. The first reaper that was built, was called Harbinger. This reaper became the "shop foreman". It was programmed to control all the other reapers. Each reaper built had the power to control the thralls. For every Harbinger like reaper built, 10 smaller ones were built. All the lesser species just became workers. Every 50 000 years, relays were built for a system. One day, Harbinger was getting an upgrade that somehow caused the reaper not to be controlled by Leviathan anymore. At that point, Harbinger had the other reapers wipe out Leviathan who were using the thralls to try and stop him.

 

When all said and done, Leviathan was wiped out. So now what happens is that every 50 000 years, Harbinger leads the reapers to turn the species into workers to build more reapers. There is no exact number of how many there are. They use the Citadel relay for its surprise attacks. The reapers take resources from homeworlds to use to maintain this station and to use to build more reapers. When done, this station opens its arms all the way. The Citadel arms have numeruos umbilical arms that the reapers attach themselves to so they can shutdown and go into a sleep state. At the tip of the Citadel arms have extremely large umbilical arms that attach the objects that were seen surrounding the Citadel. These are where the reapers are built.

 

The Levigram finishes by saying the only way to stop them is to destroy Harbinger.  Shepard mentions there were plans for a weapon that could destroy the reapers. The hologram knows nothing about that. In my next post, I will explain how those plans are found including more about the loyalty missions.

 

Shepard tell the hologram that the station and the one's surrounding the Citadel need to be destroyed. The hologram understands. It mentions the weak spots of the Citadel. It also tells Shepard that the terminal behind him/her has all the information about the civilzations before they lost control of Harbinger. Shepard links her/his omnitool with the Normandy. The download will take a very long time. During that time, teams are sent to areas to place the explosives and timers

 

Once back on the Citadel, Shepard heads to the council to explain what happened. It will take a lot of time to process the information.

 

On his/her way back to the Normandy, Shepard sees Anderson who says the mission was a success with the collectors though there were some casualties.

 

Anyways. I might change a few things later