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[BansheeOwnage]

Say what you want about SP DLC not working on old gen, but not releasing patches, armour packs, and MP content that can obviously work on old gen is downright insulting and unfair.

[Kenny Bania]

Yes, they have the right to be pissed off. I also have the right to get a next gen experience on my next gen console and I didn't because they base-lined the game. 

 

Of course you do, but I'm a little confused here. Are you blaming the developer or the last gen consumer for not getting what you wanted?

[Domiel Angelus]

Of course you do, but I'm a little confused here. Are you blaming the developer or the last gen consumer for not getting what you wanted?

 

I'm blaming the developer for making the decision to make DA:I on last gen and next gen. They could have just as easily given last gen its own game and given me my new gen DA:I. If Ubisoft and several others can do a game on last gen and a game on new gen, Bioware with the backing of EA should have been able to do the same. 

 

I would put DA and AC in the same boat as flagship products for their respective companies. Ubisoft did the smart maneuver of splitting the AC development team for Assassin's Creed Unity and Rogue, even though Unity was a bug mess for awhile they worked those bugs out however Rogue was smooth sailing and awesome. It gave both generations of consoles completely unique experiences that sated the gamers on both sides of the fence and Rogue pushed the limitations as best it could. 

 

They could have done a story on a different part of the DA universe such as the Hero of Ferelden's return or a story dealing with the companions up to joining the Inquisition and still have it include the DAMP to give us a connection between the two titles. They could have really done just about anything within Thedas and people would have bought it, and they may have griped but it wouldn't have had the amount of backlash that they've received over this late game decision. 

[Kenny Bania]

I'm blaming the developer for making the decision to make DA:I on last gen and next gen. They could have just as easily given last gen its own game and given me my new gen DA:I. If Ubisoft and several others can do a game on last gen and a game on new gen, Bioware with the backing of EA should have been able to do the same. 

 

I would put DA and AC in the same boat as flagship products for their respective companies. Ubisoft did the smart maneuver of splitting the AC development team for Assassin's Creed Unity and Rogue, even though Unity was a bug mess for awhile they worked those bugs out however Rogue was smooth sailing and awesome. It gave both generations of consoles completely unique experiences that sated the gamers on both sides of the fence and Rogue pushed the limitations as best it could. 

 

They could have done a story on a different part of the DA universe such as the Hero of Ferelden's return or a story dealing with the companions up to joining the Inquisition and still have it include the DAMP to give us a connection between the two titles. They could have really done just about anything within Thedas and people would have bought it, and they may have griped but it wouldn't have had the amount of backlash that they've received over this late game decision. 

 

Ah, cool.

[Samahl na Revas]

If not on the official Bioware forum, and especially on the mp forum (because your business decision does affect mp content) then where? Where's your PR personnel? You never answered my question as to why you quietly announced the whole thing. Ignoring isn't answering. We paid the same money for less product. Own it.

 

You got the same product, the vanilla game. Dlc is extra content. I am in no way a fanboy of Bioware but, I understand that games can't be supported for ever with patches and new content indefinitely. Pc games, some of them get high res textures, modding tool kits from the dev, they can cheat better, not hindered by patches which fix fun exploits...especially when these exploits are like a tradition...

 

Howver, as a consumer buying a product on my game console of choice comes with expected risk and limitation of what I can expect in terms of additional content. For example Xbox 1 can only run their games at 420p   vs the powerful PS4 and possibly PC 4k. Therefore, I wouldn't even own an Xbox 1 which I don't.

 

At the end of the day, the money dried up and in order to make things happen older generation consoles lost support so extra work required to deliver quality could be possible.

 

I'm more surprised Xbox 1 support wasn't also dropped with the older gen .

[Dieb]

There literally is nothing to discuss - nothing good or productive will come of it. Everyone agrees that this isn't awesome for anyone involved, and everyone understands this is an irreversible decision. There may very well and understandably be much to complain, however, yet this is not the place to file official complaints in such a capacity.

 

One does get heard by a lot of fans though.

 

So while I appreciate the diplomatic appearance, if your goal is in fact not  to rile people up into a gathered opposition; vent frustration; or pressure developement staff into tilting their heads like a beaten dog, reveal internal business plans and apologize for people higher up; I am very curious about your actual definite goal here.

 

There is no stock traded company on earth in the world to whom you matter in a different capacity than what EA is constantly being accused of. It's ugly, but you really do vote with your wallet even with those whidely considered "nice". You buy, they proceed, you don't buy, they adapt. Not even Fair Trade vegan smoothie manufacturers will change an economically promising course if not enough people simply stop buying their products.

 

There is no morals involved. For the very same reason, if you ever were to meet any employee as you fell down on the street, they would probably help you back up regardless.

[Angelus_de_Mortiel]

 However, losing let's say 100 customers for BW is like 10,000$ which they really don't care about. Hell, I don't care about that kind of money.

 

Would you care to fund my studio upgrades for my YouTube channel? It will only cost like 1/4 of that...

 

[kaileena_sands]

Would you care to fund my studio upgrades for my YouTube channel? It will only cost like 1/4 of that...

 

 

Hehe, make some kind of crowdfunding for it and I will support you.

 

Just to clarify, what I meant was that 10k cannot change my life significantly. Sure, it's some nice money and will pay the bills for a few months but it's no life changing sum. xD

[nanotm]

given that the xbone supports 4k output from blue ray its not a hardware issue but a developer issue preventing the games from being at higher definitions /

 

 

@kaileena_sands

 

10k would change most peoples lives in some way, and 10k on a sales performance chart is the difference between an extra million in investment opportunity for the next big game since they always up play the possibilities of the micro transaction based returns

[ruggie]

Dom the ps3 version is like a different game. Bw just made a poor business decision releasing it last gen. Simple as that. They could of easily made it bew gen only but they didn't then ended support almost exactly a month after ending new content is like wtf did I buy a ps4 for besides play other games in a few months. I expected mp support at least another year it's not like da4 is tight around the corner but whatever I'm not in charge.

[kaileena_sands]

@kaileena_sands

 

10k would change most peoples lives in some way, and 10k on a sales performance chart is the difference between an extra million in investment opportunity for the next big game since they always up play the possibilities of the micro transaction based returns

 

Depends where you live, nanotm. Where I am, 10k is renovating (on the very cheap) half of your apartment (and I live in one of the poorer countries in Europe). Of course, for some people, especially from poorer countries, 10k is a huge sum and can certainly change a life. If you go on Kiva, 10k can help fund a few projects and also change lives. If you play on the stock market, 10k is also nothing. Can be lost and gained in a matter of minutes. Depends on perspective.

 

I am not sure why we're even discussing this. My point was made mainly to illustrate how insignificant that amount of money is to an entity like EA. I would certainly not refuse 10k extra bucks.

[Dieb]

I am not sure why we're even discussing this. My point was made mainly to illustrate how insignificant that amount of money is to an entity like EA. I would certainly not refuse 10k extra bucks.

 

I, too, am outraged, and quite frankly, *inhales deeply* offended by the fact that you're doing well.

[kaileena_sands]

I, too, am outraged, and quite frankly, *inhales deeply* offended by the fact that you're doing well.

 

 

To be honest, I am wishing to go back and delete that sentence now but the cat is out of the bag. But, as I said, I didn't mean to undervalue what 10k are in today's world. I did not even mean that 10k is little money for me but rather that they would not significantly change my life (they'd certainly fill some budget holes here and there) just as I doubt such a sum would sway decision-making at EA.

 

Uggh, let's forget about this.

[ParthianShotX]

 

To be honest, I am wishing to go back and delete that sentence now but the cat is out of the bag. But, as I said, I didn't mean to undervalue what 10k are in today's world. I did not even mean that 10k is little money for me but rather that they would not significantly change my life (they'd certainly fill some budget holes here and there) just as I doubt such a sum would sway decision-making at EA.

 

Uggh, let's forget about this.

 

 

Aww, man.  I've been sitting in that chair before.  It's uncomfortable and lumpy, isn't it?

[kaileena_sands]

Aww, man.  I've been sitting in that chair before.  It's uncomfortable and lumpy, isn't it?

 

Yes, it's truly terrible. I should find a way to get out of it before I get bruises and stuff.

[Ispan]

Yes, it's truly terrible. I should find a way to get out of it before I get bruises and stuff.

$10k might buy you a more comfortable chair.




...............I'm so sorry, I had to you're right though that, regardless of what that sum of money means to an individual, it is a very small amount when considering EA's financials.

[Jay P]

$10k might buy you a more comfortable chair.




...............I'm so sorry, I had to you're right though that, regardless of what that sum of money means to an individual, it is a very small amount when considering EA's financials.

It's not even a line item entry.

Madden...
Battlefield...
Need for speed...
The sims...
Dead space...
Plants v zombies...
FIFA...
Rock band...
Star Wars...
NHL...
PopGames...

Not that Bioware doesn't care, but for EA, $10k one way or the other doesn't even register.

[Angelus_de_Mortiel]

Hehe, make some kind of crowdfunding for it and I will support you.

 

I had honestly not considered crowd funding... I at one point had it set up through YouTube and Twitch, but it was passive donations. Honestly only thought extremely well known folks every had any donations. Maybe I'll look into Patreon?   
 

 

 

 

 

On topic and not directed at Kaileena: I would say that any significant loss in sales, even $10k, is not something EA or BioWare wants. Furthermore, customers with negative experiences tend to be ten times as effective as customers with positive experiences at affecting sales. To put that plainly: If 5,000 Xbox 360 players and 5,000 PlayStation 3 player become negative customers, BioWare would need like 100,000 positive customers just to break even. 

 

Fortunately, they do have a good reputation and a lot of fans. However, I highly doubt the decision to cut support was made flippantly. They knew there would be backlash, and I highly doubt the sales impact was the only negative they considered. For many on the inside, the decision was likely personal. While EA, the corporate machine, is cold and emotionless, the developers are people that want their fans to like what they make. They don't want their fans angry at their decisions, but it was one they felt they had to make.

To answer the OP: Where is it acceptable to discuss this? Where ever you wish. But be aware that it will largely just be you venting, mostly likely in an echo chamber of other angry last gen console players with few dissenting opinions, and ultimately accomplish nothing. I personally can think of better things to do with my time than continue a fruitless discussion on a decision that, while I personally do not agree, is final and is very unlikely to change. As such, this will be the last time I comment on such an topic.