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[Lady Artifice]

Bad business to not follow the data.

 

Say a specific grocery store has sold significantly more chocolate ice cream than they've sell strawberry ice cream in the past. Does that mean that they would have better business if they only sold the chocolate? Maybe, if they sold very, very little strawberry, then maybe it would be worth not selling, or reducing how much of it they stock.

 

Now lets say that there's a a scarcity of strawberry ice cream on the market, and some people travel to this particular grocery store, because it's the richest and best strawberry ice cream they can find. Some of them develop a fierce loyalty to the grocery store, all thanks to the strawberry. the grocery store owner knows about this loyal group and, being reasonably capable of comprehending statistics, also knows that the numbers can change and evolve. 

 

How does the owner choose the wisest course of action regarding his stock of strawberry ice-cream?

 

Answer: Carefully. 

 

On the other hand, maybe the manager likes the strawberry ice cream a lot himself, and wants to make sure he always has a healthy stock of it around. That's an option, because he runs the whole damn store and within reason he can afford to do what he damn well pleases. 

 

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I've yet to hear any one argue for less options.

 

What was your interpretation of the thread topic? 

[MerchantGOL]

Say a specific grocery store has sold significantly more chocolate ice cream than they've sell strawberry ice cream in the past. Does that mean that they would have better business if they only sold the chocolate? Maybe, if they sold very, very little strawberry, then maybe it would be worth not selling, or reducing how much of it they stock.

 

Now lets say that there's a a scarcity of strawberry ice cream on the market, and some people travel to this particular grocery store, because it's the richest and best strawberry ice cream they can find. Some of them develop a fierce loyalty to the grocery store, all thanks to the strawberry. the grocery store owner knows about this loyal group and, being reasonably capable of comprehending statistics, also knows that the numbers can change and evolve. 

 

How does the owner choose the wisest course of action regarding his stock of strawberry ice-cream?

 

Answer: Carefully. 

 

On the other hand, maybe the manager likes the strawberry ice cream a lot himself, and wants to make sure he always has a healthy stock of it around. That's an option, because he runs the whole damn store and within reason he can afford to do what he damn well pleases. 

 

Edit: 

 

 

 

What was your interpretation of the thread topic? 

Remember who plays what more and build around that.

[Lady Artifice]

Remember who plays what more and build around that.

 

Nonspecific and evasive. 

[MerchantGOL]

Nonspecific and evasive. 

You wanted an answer and i gave it.

 

I'm not gonna write you an essay.

[Donk]

I've yet to hear any one argue for less options.

No, not exactly. But the thread suggests "pandering" based on what was most popular according to data. Pandering usually suggests a higher focus and favour toward a certain target audience.

I don't even know why I bother taking this seriously as there is a very high chance it is trolling, but this is my point: regardless of what is most popular, cater to everybody. By doing that, it will result in more sales. The issue lies with people who whinge when they come across something they don't agree with in a game. Then throw words like "agenda" and "pandering to X group because SJW".

[Chardonney]

I seem to recall those stats were gathered from players 1st playthrough only.  If so it might be awfully misleading.  Maybe a dev could confirm/deny that.

 

Yeah, I remember hearing that too and to me those statistics are far from the truth. Also, if statistics are showing a great number of players playing with a male protagonist, that's not male romancing female LI everytime. That's also guys and girls playing male protagonist romancing a male LI. This thread is a poor troll attempt, 0/10.

[daveliam]

Yeah, I remember hearing that too and to me those statistics are far from the truth. Also, if statistics are showing a great number of players playing with a male protagonist, that's not male romancing female LI everytime. That's also guys and girls playing male protagonist romancing a male LI. This thread is a poor troll attempt, 0/10.

That was going to be my next suggestion. Since 80% of the players played male Shep, I can't wait to see 1/2 of the romance options being m/m. Solid logic, right? Wait! You mean my own personal experience and preferences aren't applicable across entire demographics? Shocking, I know!

[The Antagonist]

That was going to be my next suggestion. Since 80% of the players played male Shep, I can't wait to see 1/2 of the romance options being m/m. Solid logic, right? Wait! You mean my own personal experience and preferences aren't applicable across entire demographics? Shocking, I know!

Dude just stop. You're still failing.

[The Antagonist]

No, not exactly. But the thread suggests "pandering" based on what was most popular according to data. Pandering usually suggests a higher focus and favour toward a certain target audience.

I don't even know why I bother taking this seriously as there is a very high chance it is trolling, but this is my point: regardless of what is most popular, cater to everybody. By doing that, it will result in more sales. The issue lies with people who whinge when they come across something they don't agree with in a game. Then throw words like "agenda" and "pandering to X group because SJW".

If they try to please everybody they'll end up pleasing nobody.

[SardaukarElite]

Have we established who BioWare is supposed to be pandering to and how yet, or are we still threatening them with infographics?

[BronzTrooper]

Dude just stop. You're still failing.

 

He's still bringing up valid points.

 

If they try to please everybody they'll end up pleasing nobody.

 

Citadel DLC says 'Hi'.

 

Seriously though, Donk was suggesting that BW should cater to everyone, not try to please everyone on earth.  Catering to everyone means to have something for each group of people to enjoy.  BW focusing on 1-2 groups instead of acknowledging the others is a good way to take a hit to their PR, which would only pile on top of the PR hits from DA2 and ME3.  By catering to everyone, they'll be able to limit any potential PR hits.

 

Remember: low PR = low sales.

[Pasquale1234]

Much like with Dragon Age, your data would sync up and include your playdata the next time you did log in to the servers. It's the same way it works if you're always connected: the data updates periodically, rather than constantly, so it just sends the information at the next opportunity.
 
That having been said, like with any statistical data, people tend to draw conclusions based on what they think are obvious patterns without the necessary information to actually support those conclusions.
 
The most common example from that particular telemetric info dump is, "82% of Mass Effect 3 players are male," which is not a valid conclusion.

 
I'd expect that EA has very detailed demographics on the people who purchase / register their games, if not all the people who actually play them. The stats captured in-game don't reveal any of that.
 

Say a specific grocery store has sold significantly more chocolate ice cream than they've sell strawberry ice cream in the past. Does that mean that they would have better business if they only sold the chocolate? Maybe, if they sold very, very little strawberry, then maybe it would be worth not selling, or reducing how much of it they stock.

Now lets say that there's a a scarcity of strawberry ice cream on the market, and some people travel to this particular grocery store, because it's the richest and best strawberry ice cream they can find. Some of them develop a fierce loyalty to the grocery store, all thanks to the strawberry. the grocery store owner knows about this loyal group and, being reasonably capable of comprehending statistics, also knows that the numbers can change and evolve.

How does the owner choose the wisest course of action regarding his stock of strawberry ice-cream?

Answer: Carefully.

There's also the notion that the market for chocolate ice cream is already saturated, while the market for strawberry remains largely untapped, and is ripe for development.

[Scofield]

One damn game BioWare make to try an be more "inclusive" to everyone and you get the privileged few spouting on an on about how there excluded

 

All i got to say is "deluded much" ?

[Lady Artifice]

You wanted an answer and i gave it.
 
I'm not gonna write you an essay.

Nor even a genuinely communicative answer, apparently.

Dude just stop. You're still failing.

No, he's really not.

[AlanC9]

I let Garrus win with most of my Shepards because I think Garrus should be a better shot than them.

[KaiserShep]

I let Garrus win with most of my Shepards because I think Garrus should be a better shot than them.

 

Depends on the class for me. My Shepard's a Vaguard, so primarily focusing on close-quarters combat with biotics and shotguns makes her less than ideal for being a marksman, whereas an Infiltrator Shepard would just mop the floor with Vakarian. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

are terrible bros

 

Terribros?

 

Have I coined another term?

 

Trademark hands off royalties YOOHERDMEH

 

Soldier's the only class than can bust 2.5K damage every 1.5 seconds, a majority of the insanity finishes are probably soldiers.

 

I'm being perfectly serious: I genuinely had no idea that anyone thought that any class other than the Infiltrator was the most OP in the game. O.O

 

That was going to be my next suggestion. Since 80% of the players played male Shep, I can't wait to see 1/2 of the romance options being m/m.

 

Seems to me you've missed out on the additionally inescapable scientific fact that 82% of all video game characters should be Commander Shepherd, in order to best represent and pander.

 

Do you really think Garrus would appreciate you lying to him like that?

 

Well, technically, he does, but I see what you're saying.

[Flog the Undying]

Again OP: what are you actually asking for? When you say 'more dude content' are you saying there should be more romances for men? Is this just a romance thread?

 

or should women only be able to play 18% of the game or something? Please elaborate.

[WildOrchid]

This thread.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

The worst crime is how high the Geth choice is. Anyone who choose the toasters over Tali deserves the worst destroy ending in the game.

[laudable11]

Only 18%. I'm not surprised seeing how many dudes I know who refuse to play as females. Boggles the mind.

[SolNebula]

I don't understand people who let Garrus win, I hope they don't pander to those guys.

I always do that. Garrus is my bro and game best friend. He challenged me but in a sense he lived in the shadow of Shepard so as a good friend I gave him a morale boost. Having good friends sometimes mean let them have it their own way. If Garrus believes he is the best sniper in the squad let him concede that. He is certainly good so why undermining his self-esteem. A bro is a bro.

[SolNebula]

Only 18%. I'm not surprised seeing how many dudes I know who refuse to play as females. Boggles the mind.

I'm one of that dudes. Till femshep is maleshep reskin (animations and way of behaving) then I'll just stick with Dudeshep. Give me a more feminine protagonist and I'll change my mind. Also I do believe in the data OP provided as BSN isn't the totality of the customers that play ME. BSN is just a very vocal whining minority.

[KaiserShep]

I'm curious about this "more content for dudes". The game should allow us to press a button in non-combat areas that allow us to just crack off silent farts that clear areas in hubs. That counts, yes? 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

This board delivers.