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[Han Shot First]

Assuming for a moment that the next protagonist is military, it doesn't necessarily mean he or she will be Shepard 2.0. All that means is that they hold the same job.

 

It would be really unimaginative writing if they both shared the same personality. 

[BatarianBob]

What?

Don't feed the troll.

[Mdizzletr0n]

It's already unimaginative to be military again... How many games are already military related?

[N7Jamaican]

I think we're alliance, and we are being recruited by an N7.

[pdusen]

It's already unimaginative to be military again... How many games are already military related?

The entire gameplay is about shooting people with guns.

[Deebo305]

We've already had a protagonist with a military background for three games. I was hoping for something new. As you said, it is one of a few, as in there are other backstories that still work.

Them displaying leadership qualities. That isn't restricted to people in military professions.

So exactly what we did as Shepard? Lead a squad that is dropped behind or in enemy lines and eliminate them with precision attacks. I thought Bioware said we weren't going to be Shepard 2.0?

Alot of complaints but AGAIN no valid alternative.

Your an explorer going into uncharted territory being trained to survive in hostile environments is a pre-requisite unless you want to play the ships cook I can't imagine what your raging against so hard

[Han Shot First]

The entire gameplay is about shooting people with guns.

 

Pretty much this. 

 

I wouldn't say the military is any more unimaginative than any other background. The hero should have a background where their combat skillset and ability to command a space ship is somewhat plausible, which doesn't really leave a lot of options. If the writers try to make the protagonist believable they are pretty much limited to a military, mercenary, pirate, or some form of a paramilitary background.  

 

No one is going to place an accountant in charge of a mission to find the Milky Way colonists new homes in the face of attacks by hostile natives. Or at least they won't so long as the writers aren't determined to nuke suspension of disbelief.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

We've already had a protagonist with a military background for three games. I was hoping for something new. As you said, it is one of a few, as in there are other backstories that still work. 

 

Them displaying leadership qualities. That isn't restricted to people in military professions.

 

So exactly what we did as Shepard? Lead a squad that is dropped behind or in enemy lines and eliminate them with precision attacks. I thought Bioware said we weren't going to be Shepard 2.0?

Leadership qualities are not restricted to the military this true, however leadership roles that involve fighting are. The other types of leadership are bureaucratic and the worst danger they face is an aggressive paper cut.  

[Mdizzletr0n]

So we're to believe that someone that's military YET "untested" (according to the protagonist description that I've seen) is automatically chosen to lead an expedition into an unknown Star system? Might as well be a brilliant scientist that's also trained themselves in a basement on Illium. *shrugs*

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Alot of complaints but AGAIN no valid alternative.

Your an explorer going into uncharted territory being trained to survive in hostile environments is a pre-requisite unless you want to play the ships cook I can't imagine what your raging against so hard

I have given valid alternatives in my first post here. We have met a few civilians of various professions that have had combat training yet are not military. 

Liara is an archaeologist. 

Amanda Kenson is a scientist. 

Mordin Solas is a doctor and scientist(While he served in the STG he wasn't a frontline fighter like say Kirrahe and his men are). 

The people of Feros were a variety of professions from colonist to rent-a-cops. 

Then of course there are more mercenary professions.

 

So according to the MEU, you can be quite a number of things that have everything required without being part of the military. 

 

Leadership qualities are not restricted to the military this true, however leadership roles that involve fighting are. The other types of leadership are bureaucratic and the worst danger they face is an aggressive paper cut.  

Not true actually. Throughout history there have been many people who have shown skills with combat leadership without them having a military background. Or cases of fresh recruits and trainees who have never been in a combat situation before yet have leadership abilities shine through. With us being a protagonist, there is nothing hard to believe about that being part of what makes the protagonist special. 

[Han Shot First]

So we're to believe that someone that's military YET "untested" (according to the protagonist description that I've seen) is automatically chosen to lead an expedition into an unknown Star system? Might as well be a brilliant scientist that's also trained themselves in a basement on Illium. *shrugs*

 

Every war in human history has had untested officers lead men into combat. Dwight D. Eisenhower for example never heard a shot fired in anger before the Second World War. Likewise the Duke of Wellington never saw combat before the Napoleonic Wars.

 

It would be a bit odd however to have a protagonist with a military background who hasn't seen combat, if the colonists set out during the Reaper War. Given the scale of that conflict and what was at stake there shouldn't be anyone with a military background who didn't see combat. A lack of experience would only make sense if the colonists set out prior to the events of ME3 or long after.

[KaiserShep]

I have given valid alternatives in my first post here. We have met a few civilians of various professions that have had combat training yet are not military. 

Liara is an archaeologist. 

Amanda Kenson is a scientist. 

Mordin Solas is a doctor and scientist(While he served in the STG he wasn't a frontline fighter like say Kirrahe and his men are). 

The people of Feros were a variety of professions from colonist to rent-a-cops. 

Then of course there are more mercenary professions.

 

So according to the MEU, you can be quite a number of things that have everything required without being part of the military. 

 

Amanda Kenson and Mordin don't really count, because whether or not they're still in the military (I'm pretty sure Kenson was still a member of the Alliance at the time) doesn't change the fact that the military is where they were trained for combat in the first place. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Amanda Kenson and Mordin don't really count, because whether or not they're still in the military (I'm pretty sure Kenson was still a member of the Alliance at the time) doesn't change the fact that the military is where they were trained for combat in the first place. 

Being trained by the military or by someone who is in the military does not necessarily mean we are in the military. I wouldn't mind if someone like DuncaN7 trained us to fight, but I don't want yet another gung-ho soldier like Shepard was. We've had that viewpoint already. This is a new protagonist, so let's have a new viewpoint. 

[KaiserShep]

I'm curious about this gung-ho stuff, because I don't recall Shepard being overly enthusiastic about the military in general, but a non-military character can be just as "gung-ho" about fighting. After all, the PC's primary goal is to kill the heck out of hundreds of enemies, humanoid or otherwise. 

[Han Shot First]

Being trained by the military or by someone who is in the military does not necessarily mean we are in the military. I wouldn't mind if someone like DuncaN7 trained us to fight, but I don't want yet another gung-ho soldier like Shepard was. We've had that viewpoint already. This is a new protagonist, so let's have a new viewpoint. 

 

Someone with a non-military background however wouldn't realistically be placed in command of a military ship. If the ship is an Alliance or Council vessel it should be another military protagonist.

 

They could go with a non-military protagonist, but if so the ship and mission should match the protagonist's background. If the protagonist is a civilian for example, than the ship/mission should be corporate rather than military. (i.e. Baria Frontiers, ExoGeni ect)

 

There'd still be the issue of the explaining the protagonist's combat prowess however, so he/she should be former military, a mercenary, ex-C-Sec, or something along those lines.

 

I'd love to see a pirate protagonist in an ME game personally, but it would be a poor match for Andromeda's story. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm curious about this gung-ho stuff, because I don't recall Shepard being overly enthusiastic about the military in general, but a non-military character can be just as "gung-ho" about fighting. After all, the PC's primary goal is to kill the heck out of hundreds of enemies, humanoid or otherwise. 

Shepard was enthusiastic enough to return to the Alliance between ME2 and ME3, even though they knew it would result in them being imprisoned by the very people they wanted to join up with again. You always willingly if not enthusiastically do whatever you're ordered to do by Anderson and Hackett. Seems pretty gung-ho to me. 

You are right that non-military personnel can be just as much, but chances are if we aren't military we'll get to have more say in how our character feels. Especially since we were able to do that in DAI and it was met with a very positive reception from fans. I'm still hoping against hope that Bioware allows a non-lethal way to play. 

 

 

Someone with a non-military background however wouldn't realistically be placed in command of a military ship. If the ship is an Alliance or Council vessel it should be another military protagonist.

 

They could go with a non-military protagonist, but if so the ship and mission should match the protagonist's background. If the protagonist is a civilian for example, than the ship/mission should be corporate rather than military. (i.e. Baria Frontiers, ExoGeni ect)

 

There'd still be the issue of the explaining the protagonist's combat prowess however, so he/she should be former military, a mercenary, ex-C-Sec, or something along those lines.

 

I'd love to see a pirate protagonist in an ME game personally, but it would be a poor match for Andromeda's story. 

Why not? If they displayed the aptitude, I see no good reason why they wouldn't. We have several squadmates who don't have military backgrounds yet are allowed on a military ship and perform missions. 

I hope it is civilian over military. Or at least our role in the mission. And as I said in an earlier post, being trained by someone in the military does not mean you are in the military or have a military background. You could be literally any profession but since some person trained you you can be just as skilled as a soldier if you have the aptitude. 

 

I don't know. We're raiding places and plundering them of resources according to the leak. Sounds pretty privateer. 

[Han Shot First]

 

Why not? If they displayed the aptitude, I see no good reason why they wouldn't. We have several squadmates who don't have military backgrounds yet are allowed on a military ship and perform missions. 

 

None of the squadmates with non-military backgrounds were in command. Liara and Tali were passengers.

 

Even ignoring the combat aspects the issue with a non-military protagonist in command of a military ship is that it wouldn't make sense for the military to bring someone from outside its own chain-of-command, with absolutely no experience within that organization or prior command experience, to lead one of its missions and command a military crew. Their resume so to speak should make them far less qualified than just about all the officers within that organization. Why aren't they promoting from within?

 

As someone who hopes Bioware pays a little more attention to detail when it delves into military fiction, I'd really rather they didn't go that route. 

[Patchwork]

Untested could mean that the pc lacks command experience not combat experience. 

 

Being Alliance is practically a given but personally I'm hoping that our careers can be more varied than Shepard's. Instead of the Blitz/Arkuze/Torfan choice we pick a career field that's tech/soldier/academic based which can unlock dialogue and actions throughout the game (like Engineer!Shep in the later dlcs). 

[Killdren88]

So we are just another gung-ho military person. Joy. 

 

Par the course really. EA wants all that CoD money.

[fchopin]

Maybe we will get an option to choose to play an N7 soldier or some kind of civilian with little combat training.

I don't see why it has to be only one choice.

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[Mcfly616]

But don't you see OP? We're not Shepard 2.0, so Bioware made sure to differentiate by making us N7 again. The logic is undeniable.

[Belial]

It's used for advertising, I don't think the protagonist will actually be N7. If I remember correctly Bioware said we will be playing as a regular soldier/scientist/whatever that becomes a hero throughout the game instead of starting as a hero like Shepard.

[Mcfly616]

It's used for advertising, I don't think the protagonist will actually be N7. If I remember correctly Bioware said we will be playing as a regular soldier/scientist/whatever that becomes a hero throughout the game instead of starting as a hero like Shepard.

 You can be N7 without being a well-known galactic messiah. 

 

 

And yes, we are N7. Both male and female protagonists wear N7 armor.

[Zazzerka]

And yes, we are N7. Both male and female protagonists wear N7 armor.

 

When was this confirmed? Genuine inquiry - I don't pay as much attention as I used to.

[Mcfly616]

When was this confirmed? Genuine inquiry - I don't pay as much attention as I used to.

 Last year or something during a podcast with Walters and some of the devs. They were going through concept art images. When they came to a pic of a male and female model all decked out in N7 gear, and said "and here we have our protagonists" (paraphrasing)