Last year or something during a podcast with Walters and some of the devs. They were going through concept art images. When they came to a pic of a male and female model all decked out in N7 gear, and said "and here we have our protagonists" (paraphrasing)
So it was a slip, you think? The current image we have of the protoganists just shows them decked out in regular Mass Effect-style hardsuits, with no insignias. Haven't seen any others.
You can be N7 without being a well-known galactic messiah.
And yes, we are N7. Both male and female protagonists wear N7 armor.
Shepard didn't start as a "well-known galactic messiah" either. Becoming an N7 is no easy task and achieving that rank is enough to make someone important, which would take away from Bioware's goals.
I looked for the actual quote, they said "With Shepard, you arrived on the scene as a hero, and you were called forward from there. For the next Mass Effect, however, we've been looking at more of a hero's journey: how you become a legend and what it takes to get there."
Although becoming an N7 during the game would be interesting. And it would explain the N7 logo on the armor.
I don't see what's so bad about having a military background in the story. It's one of the few legitimate reasons for a character to have serious combat training and the ability to assume a leadership role without having to be some kind of battle-hardened space criminal by default.
I actually really like the military background. I just wish that the one and only time Joker saluted me his hand wasn't about an inch above his head.
Shepard was enthusiastic enough to return to the Alliance between ME2 and ME3, even though they knew it would result in them being imprisoned by the very people they wanted to join up with again. You always willingly if not enthusiastically do whatever you're ordered to do by Anderson and Hackett. Seems pretty gung-ho to me.
Well, that's Shepard's job and she also knows there's a war coming. She's one of the few people who actually knows what the galaxy is facing. My job is a librarian and I rarely have anything other than verbal combat, but I willingly and enthusiastically do what I'm told because I love my job. Guess I'm a gung-ho librarian.
Shepard didn't start as a "well-known galactic messiah" either. Becoming an N7 is no easy task and achieving that rank is enough to make someone important, which would take away from Bioware's goals.
I looked for the actual quote, they said "With Shepard, you arrived on the scene as a hero, and you were called forward from there. For the next Mass Effect, however, we've been looking at more of a hero's journey: how you become a legend and what it takes to get there."
Although becoming an N7 during the game would be interesting. And it would explain the N7 logo on the armor.
No, he didn't. But we're not focusing on that. You said "I don't think the protagonist will actually be N7." And that we would be playing as a "regular soldier/scientist" etc, not a hero. To which came my response.
Thing is, at some point over the course of ME:A our protagonist will be an N7 operative. This is a certainty.
Thing is, at some point over the course of ME:A our protagonist will be an N7 operative. This is a certainty.
Yeah, I think this will be the case, or at least I hope it is, partly because it'd be a shame to have all that N7 armor stuff pushed in the trailer only to make it inaccessible to the player.
I've never seen a Bio game yet where it was possible for the PC to avoid that universe's equivalent of N7 status.
A shame, really.
Shepard didn't start as a "well-known galactic messiah" either. Becoming an N7 is no easy task and achieving that rank is enough to make someone important, which would take away from Bioware's goals.
I looked for the actual quote, they said "With Shepard, you arrived on the scene as a hero, and you were called forward from there. For the next Mass Effect, however, we've been looking at more of a hero's journey: how you become a legend and what it takes to get there."
Although becoming an N7 during the game would be interesting. And it would explain the N7 logo on the armor.
No becoming a specter and the one N7 soldier at the time awesome enough to become one is someone important. His individual fame through pretty extreme background choices started him on the well known galactic messiah route. A N7 operative isn't any more important than any other navy seal or other special forces guy. Outside knowing one personally or a retired one who is now a talking head on some news channel how many navy seals are super important that you know of compared to how many there actually are. Most special forces guys/gals are bad ass but not super important, not well known and many will have little actual combat experience because lots of people can join and have been in the special forces in times where there isn't much war.(seems odd to think of currently, but there are years where people aren't in constant war) N7 might be the top end of special forces for the alliance, but that still means they are tons of them lying around and not all of them are super important, battle tested types.
The universe is big enough for more than one hero, even if they share the same job.
The complaints about the lack of Shepard remind me of the Trekkies proclaiming the death of the Star Trek when it was announced that the lead characters of The Next Generation wouldn't be named Kirk or Spock. Fast forward a few decades and the characters from TNG are now as popular and beloved in that fandom as the characters from the original series.
Change isn't always a bad thing.
The universe is big enough for more than one hero, even if they share the same job.
The complaints about the lack of Shepard remind me of the Trekkies proclaiming the death of the Star Trek when it was announced that the lead characters of The Next Generation wouldn't be named Kirk or Spock. Fast forward a few decades and the characters from TNG are now as popular and beloved in that fandom as the characters from the original series.
Change isn't always a bad thing.
I know, right?
Picard is the best anyway.
A shame, really.
Thing is, even if you aren't officially a member of Ultimate Badasses, Inc., you still end up being one of the most formidable combatants in the entire setting. Take Hawke. Hawke is not a member of anything but the Misfits of Kirkwall, yet is able to utterly destroy every damn mob and fantasy creature that crosses your path. On the subject of Hawke though, I rather enjoyed not being affiliated with any organizations, but from the bellyaching about the character, I can see why BioWare is avoiding that setup again.
I have given valid alternatives in my first post here. We have met a few civilians of various professions that have had combat training yet are not military.
Liara is an archaeologist.
Amanda Kenson is a scientist.
Mordin Solas is a doctor and scientist(While he served in the STG he wasn't a frontline fighter like say Kirrahe and his men are).
The people of Feros were a variety of professions from colonist to rent-a-cops.
Then of course there are more mercenary professions.
So according to the MEU, you can be quite a number of things that have everything required without being part of the military.
Not true actually. Throughout history there have been many people who have shown skills with combat leadership without them having a military background. Or cases of fresh recruits and trainees who have never been in a combat situation before yet have leadership abilities shine through. With us being a protagonist, there is nothing hard to believe about that being part of what makes the protagonist special.
Liara would rather stay in a dusty ruin or run a network from the shadows than actually get physically involved.
Amanda Kenson worked for the military as a scientist
Mordin Solus worked for his governments version of MI5, he was trained by the military and was once part of the military
People of Feros where being stomped into a puddle before Shepard turned up, the people that stiffened the resistance was ex Alliance military.
90% of most mercenary companies are made up of ex military ( seriously would you hire a merc company that was made up of ex Walmart and Starbucks employees)
Please list some of those historical so called leaders as most of the ones i know of were convenient figureheads.
Possibly the whole N7 rank system fell out of use ... but due to the history of it... it was resurrected for this. Just a random thought... I haven't really sifted through trailers and stuff...
The universe is big enough for more than one hero, even if they share the same job.
The complaints about the lack of Shepard remind me of the Trekkies proclaiming the death of the Star Trek when it was announced that the lead characters of The Next Generation wouldn't be named Kirk or Spock. Fast forward a few decades and the characters from TNG are now as popular and beloved in that fandom as the characters from the original series.
Change isn't always a bad thing.
George Lucas' motto. ;-) and let's not forget that change also gave us Star Trek: Enterprise.
Seriously though, I wouldn't have been opposed to change had it made more sense to me. Playing a radically different protagonist like a roguish smuggler, or a noir-ish private investigator in Omega's seedy underbelly might have been an interesting change. But another N7? We already had a perfectly good one of those.
Just because a character shares the same job description, doesn't necessarily mean they'll be identical to another character. Kirk and Picard are very different characters despite both being Starfleet captains in command of ships named Enterprise. Likewise Kyle Katarn, Revan, and the Jedi Knight from SWTOR aren't Luke Skywalker or Ben Kenobi.
I think any criticism of Andromeda's protagonist at this point, even if military, as being 'more of the same' would way too premature. Characters in fiction are much more than the just the job they hold or the organizations they belong to.
Just because a character shares the same job description, doesn't necessarily mean they'll be identical to another character. Kirk and Picard are very different characters despite both being Starfleet captains in command of ships named Enterprise. Likewise Kyle Katarn, Revan, and the Jedi Knight from SWTOR aren't Luke Skywalker or Ben Kenobi.
I think any criticism of Andromeda's protagonist at this point, even if military, as being 'more of the same' would way too premature. Characters in fiction are much more than the just the job they hold or the organizations they belong to.
Seriously though, I wouldn't have been opposed to change had it made more sense to me. Playing a radically different protagonist like a roguish smuggler, or a noir-ish private investigator in Omega's seedy underbelly might have been an interesting change. But another N7? We already had a perfectly good one of those.
Two of the many types of characters I've hoped to experience the setting through. But nope, another soldier with military affiliation it is. Not like we've done that before or anything.
Hopefully we'll be a mercenary. I want to make that sweet cash and screw over military teams.
If we were to ever be a mercenary character, I'd much rather be an independent entity, where the "organization" begins and ends with the ship you command, rather than those idiot gangs that comprise the typical mercenary in the MEU.
But just the same, even if we did play a mercenary type character, unless the game is open world, whatever the main conflict is will sort of force us to abandon that life for a while anyhow.
If we were to ever be a mercenary character, I'd much rather be an independent entity, where the "organization" begins and ends with the ship you command, rather than those idiot gangs that comprise the typical mercenary in the MEU.
But just the same, even if we did play a mercenary type character, unless the game is open world, whatever the main conflict is will sort of force us to abandon that life for a while anyhow.
isn't that the dream? To be a completely independent individual in this universe, free from affiliation. Living and dying by your own rules.
What a wonderful world....
Why would it matter if it isn't? Not like it was anything special. It was just regular armor that happened to say N7.Yeah, I think this will be the case, or at least I hope it is, partly because it'd be a shame to have all that N7 armor stuff pushed in the trailer only to make it inaccessible to the player.
Merchandising. The N7 logo is good branding. It helps sell jackets, sweatshirts, wallets, keychains, shoes, pants, leggings, keyboards, mousepads, coffee mugs, tote bags, backpacks, etc.
They'll make it work, story-wise. It's just the reality of business.
N7 SUCKS. the Alliance SUCKS. the player-character better not be military. sick to death of the military trash.
N7 SUCKS. the Alliance SUCKS. the player-character better not be military. sick to death of the military trash.
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