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[jones81381]

but I'm having trouble with something. I wanted Morrigan to have had her baby with Alistair, for Alistair to be king and the warden his queen, and for Loghain to have died killing the archdemon. Seems simple enough, I set my warden as a female, romanced Alistair, I set Loghain died killing the archdemon, I set Alistair as king and warden as his queen, and lastly I set Morrigan had her baby by Alistair but it tells me in order to do that then Loghain has to have died by the warden's hand. It's been too long since I've played. Why does Loghain need to have been executed in order for Morrigan to have a baby with Alistair, especially when Loghain himself is an option for fathering her baby?

 

Furthermore, I did go ahead and change it and now I think the world state is technically broken because as I recall, the only three people in that game capable of killing the Archdemon were the warden, Alistair, or Loghain if you conscripted him and whichever killed the archdemon would die with it. With Loghain executed and Alistair the new king and the warden his queen they are both obviously alive, who the hell killed the archdemon?

[Krypplingz]

1. If Loghain survives the Landsmeet, then Alistair will quit the wardens and break up with you if you are romancing him. So if you don't kill Loghain, then you can't be queen. If you want Alistair to be king and Loghain to survive you'll have to marry Alistair to Anora. 

 

2. If Loghain survives the Landsmeet, then he will be the one fighting the archdemon. Meaning that only Loghain (or a male Warden) can have the baby with Morrigan. Alistair will not be present and thus not able to create a child. If Loghain dies at the Landsmeet, then Alistair can have a baby with Morrigan. 

 

3. If Morrigan has the baby, then no one dies at the Archdemon (except the Archdemon and his entourage.) That is the whole purpose of having the baby. So if the baby is created, then the Warden kills the Archdemon and lives. 

 

The closest worldstate you could get is

 

Spoiler

Alistair king- Warden Queen

Alistair has a baby with Morrigan

Loghain is killed by Warden

Warden kills the Archdemon

 

or

 

Alistair king- Anora his queen

Morrigan has no baby / Morrigan has baby with Loghain

Loghain survives the landsmeet

Loghain dies killing the Archdemon. / The warden kills the Archdemon

 

Hope this helps.

[jones81381]

Thanks. Been so long I had forgotten the point of the baby was to keep anyone from dying when killing the archdemon.

[Tidus]

Another side effect by letting Loghain live is Morrigan leaves the party when you need her the most unless your character is a mage.

 

In my games Loghain is expendable..Morrigan is not.

 

I should mention it would be near impossible to imagine  my city or Dalish elf saying all is forgiven, make that asp of a man Loghain a gray even though his crimes is immoral and  inexcusable.

[Illegitimus]

Another side effect by letting Loghain live is Morrigan leaves the party when you need her the most unless your character is a mage.

 

 

Morrigan leaves the party?  Why?  

[DebatableBubble]

Loghain can do the thing with Morri, ya know. 

[Tidus]

Illegitimus,She leaves because the ritual isn't done since there's no need since Loghain will make the final blow..

 

Of course maybe Alistair or the warden was fooling around on the side because in DA:I she has a son that's another reason to kill Loghain and do the ritual since the story line continues in DA:I..

[DebatableBubble]

Um, Loghain and Morrigan are not mutually exclusive.... Loghain can live and Morri can stay for the final battle.

[Tidus]

In game number 2 or 3  Morrigan exited the building...Alistair refused to do the ritual.

 

As far as Loghain in my games he's history right after he yields from the duel.  He's a vile criminal and gets his just reward just like his partner in crime Arl Howell did .

[DebatableBubble]

That's not the point. You can make Loghain a Grey Warden and have him live by doing the ritual with Morrigan. My issue is that you were claiming otherwise. I understand that you, personally, don't want to do that but it IS an option. 

[Tidus]

Like I said Morrigan has left the game 2 or 3 times because of the ritual not being done.. Why would anybody want to do the ritual if Loghain will make the final blow? The problem is solved..Loghain gets to die as a hero instead of the vile criminal he is.

 

If the ritual isn't done  by the PC or Alistair then the cut scenes that shows Morrigan talking about her warden and him being the father of her son in DA:I is a lie because it never happen and how about when Alistair meets his son?

[sylvanaerie]

Like I said Morrigan has left the game 2 or 3 times because of the ritual not being done.. Why would anybody want to do the ritual if Loghain will make the final blow? The problem is solved..Loghain gets to die as a hero instead of the vile criminal he is.

 

If the ritual isn't done  by the PC or Alistair then the cut scenes that shows Morrigan talking about her warden and him being the father of her son in DA:I is a lie because it never happen and how about when Alistair meets his son?

 

Actually if Morrigan is romanced, there is a chance she can have a non-ritual son with the warden. This is an option in Keep.  It's not a lie, someone just died killing the AD because she got a bun in the oven the old fashioned way and not with swamp witch mojo.  If the ritual was refused, she departed the group.  She won't leave because you recruited Loghain. 

 

If you encountered scenes where she claims Alistair fathered her son and you didn't select to do the DR, I'd say report it as a bug because it's not possible for her to have spawned a child without a father either with the ritual or without.

 

In fact, considering how she dislikes Alistair, she's probably relieved you did recruit Loghain since she won't be doing the ritual with Alistair.  That is, till you tell her "no" and she learns she won't be doing it at all with anyone.

[Tidus]

Alistair meets his son in DA:I.. I already been there in Inquisition. Its not a glitch.

 

After building Morrigan up to be a powerful mage I won't risk her leaving because the DR wasn't done. Loghain not worth it Besides that, he's a vile criminal and will pay for his crimes and the end of my warden's sword as justice demands.

[sylvanaerie]

Like I said Morrigan has left the game 2 or 3 times because of the ritual not being done.. Why would anybody want to do the ritual if Loghain will make the final blow? The problem is solved..Loghain gets to die as a hero instead of the vile criminal he is.

 

If the ritual isn't done  by the PC or Alistair then the cut scenes that shows Morrigan talking about her warden and him being the father of her son in DA:I is a lie because it never happen and how about when Alistair meets his son?

 

 

Alistair meets his son in DA:I.. I already been there in Inquisition. Its not a glitch.

 

After building Morrigan up to be a powerful mage I won't risk her leaving because the DR wasn't done. Loghain not worth it Besides that, he's a vile criminal and will pay for his crimes and the end of my warden's sword as justice demands.

I bolded where you claimed Morrigan lies about her son.  I replied that it is possible in the game lore for the warden to have fathered a non-ritual child if you choose that option.  Alistair won't be the father, perhaps what you heard was her talking about the HoF being her lover and the father of her boy.  I have heard that snippet of communication she has with Alistair.  She's actually civil with him for once.

 

Are you complaining that Alistair meets his son when you did the DR?  That it really isn't his kid or that she was lying about having the child?  Since she would only have the child if you fed that information into Keep, and you say it wasn't a glitch, I don't understand what you're complaining about here.  

 

If you don't do the DR, she leaves.  She doesn't leave if you recruit Loghain.  She doesn't voice any objection to his presence at all that I've seen. And if she didn't have a child at all, how can she lie about having Alistair's child?  It's kind of obvious in this instance the child doesn't exist and Morrigan would be delusional.

[Tidus]

Actually it is his kid in DA: Inquisition as the cut scene story line tells.  

[DebatableBubble]

*facepalm* You're either hopeless or an adequate troll. 

[Tidus]

No need to get nasty.. I know what I saw in DA:I.

 

Its on you tube as well.

[sylvanaerie]

No need to get nasty.. I know what I saw in DA:I.

 

Its on you tube as well.

 

I think you misunderstood what you saw on UTube.  There is no instance in the game where Alistair could have a child with Morrigan without the Dark Ritual.  That's the only time he sleeps with her.  The two despise one another.  He'd rather have a darkspawn gnawing at his tender bits than to get them anywhere near the swamp witch.

 

When Morrigan refers to "her" warden, she's talking about the HoF, not Alistair.  My keepstate that had her discussing 'her' warden was the one I romanced her with.  I saw the utube conversation that she has with the 'warden companion' in Inquisition and it encompassed all possible encounter dialogues.  You may have gotten confused as to what she was referring to.  I don't believe she is delusional and discussing a child who doesn't exist at all, and if that's what you're insisting, I want to see a link where you saw this particular dialogue.

 

If you saw her referring to having a child with Alistair without doing the DR then it's a bug.  Wouldn't be the first time one of the games is bugged in peculiar ways.  Won't be the last.

 

And if DebatableBubble is right and you're just trolling the forums, I'm done feeding you now.

[Tidus]

First,I am not a troll so why are you disrespecting me?  I haven't disrespected either of you two.  You can play DA:I  or DA:2 without  playing DA:O or WH. The scene is in DA  Inquisition.  Alistair does do the DR in DA:O  if your warden is a female so, that would make him the father of Morrigan's old God child...As you know Morrigan even suggests that Alistair lays with her in DA:O if the PC is a female.

 

That's all I have to say. Believe as you will.

[sylvanaerie]

First,I am not a troll so why are you disrespecting me?  I haven't disrespected either of you two.  You can play DA:I  or DA:2 without  playing DA:O or WH. The scene is in DA  Inquisition.  Alistair does do the DR in DA:O  if your warden is a female so, that would make him the father of Morrigan's old God child...As you know Morrigan even suggests that Alistair lays with her in DA:O if the PC is a female.

 

I have not disrespected you, but your posts seem argumentative and make no sense at all, making you seem very trollish. You posted that she lies about having Alistair's child, now you've pulled a complete 180 and say if he does the DR, he is the father.  In which case she isn't lying. 

[Deadly dwarf]

Going back to the point about why Morrigan leaves if no one agrees to the Dark Ritual, it was her (and Flemeth's) ulterior motive for joining Morrigan up w/ your PC and Alistair all along -- she wants a child with the soul of an old god.  That, at least, is what I gather from what I've read.  She doesn't stick around if the warden has moral objections to the Dark Ritual.  No doubt she and Flemeth understood from the very beginning why Grey Wardens are needed to kill the Dark Spawn and end the Blight.  When they see your party in Korkari Wilds, they already know your group is a bunch of newbs who don't know the whole story behind the Grey Wardens and the ultimate sacrifice.  Flemeth seems to be an all-knowing prophet when you talk to her (even hinting that Ser Jory would meet a premature end).