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[Golfimbul]

My theory is that when the veil formed a group of spirits (or some similar entities) took form and became the elves. This connection was within their own blood (which could explain the stories of how the ancient elves all had magic).

 

Things from dragon age that resulted in me thinking this:

 

Taking form idea; Kieran wondering why the elves "want to look like that" and the fact that Cole was able to take a human form.

 

Blood idea; In the claws of Dumat codex. Corypheus mentions to a slave that " the elves of old. were tied to the fade" and that "magic lives in their blood." Again Kieran mentions that the blood is old.

 

If you have anything to support this theory that would be really great.

 

 

[Golfimbul]

I think I had a few other things to add to this but sadly I don't remember.

[The Ascendant]

So you are saying that all Elves were originally like Cole? Spirits that became flesh? It would explain their strong connection to the Fade, their powerful magic and immortality.

[thats1evildude]

Maaaaaybe? It's also possible that the Veil itself was a creation of the ancient elves.

[lordsaren101]

Elves are nothing more than rattus.

[Solas]

Elves are nothing more than rattus.

[Aulis Vaara]

It's much more likely that the fade itself is a construct. And we're already certain that the fade was a construct (by the elves, because no-one else was around back then who interacted with the fade).

[Drasanil]

Elves are nothing more than rattus.

 

Given what we learn at the Temple of Mythal and that most of the Imperium's magic is scavenged from the ancient elves, that would mean Tevinter's power was built on rat droppings 

[The Ascendant]

This theory is similar to the mythology from Tolkien and Elder Scrolls. The Elves were once spirits/Maiar/Aedra who became physical beings in order to enjoy life, forever tied to both the material and immaterial worlds. Would explain their immortality and connection to the Fade. The closer the two worlds mix the more spiritual they become, lending to the theory that the Veil was created to separate the two worlds and as such the elves lost their immortality.

[myahele]

I don't know, with lyrium being in the Fade as well and the fact that Titans (with the Stone's blessing?) shaped the world "within and without.

 

I interpreted as meaning they also shaped the Fade as well and it would also be more or less in line with Ancient Elvhen myth that the world existed before the Creators came to be  

[Aulis Vaara]

I don't know, with lyrium being in the Fade as well

It's not. How many more people continue to believe this nonsense when Justice explicitly says in Awakening that real lyrium sings, and the reflection in the fade does not. Fade lyrium IS NOT REAL LYRIUM. Just like books in the fade are not real books.

the elves lost their immortality.

Please explain Abelas. The elves, or rather, the ancient elves did not lose their immortality. New generations of elves did, but the cause is not yet clear. However, elven immortality was not lost by some strange magic, because Solas, Felassan, Abelas and all his compatriots ARE STILL ALIVE.

[The Ascendant]

Abelas and the sentinels entered Utherna to prolong their lives. Using the Well of Sorrows has bound them to eternal service to Mythal/Flemeth.   

[Ranadiel Marius]

Eh I had a similar theory a while ago. Only I think it is more likely that humans are the result of spirits trapped on this side of the veil due to the fact that there are implications that the veil may have been constructed in part due to Solas, meaning that Elvhes already existed in some form then.

 

It's much more likely that the fade itself is a construct. And we're already certain that the fade was a construct (by the elves, because no-one else was around back then who interacted with the fade).

O.o Where did the idea of the Fade being a construct come from? Can't say I've seen that theory before. Veil being a construct, yeah that's extremely likely due to references to a "time before the Veil."

 

 

Please explain Abelas. The elves, or rather, the ancient elves did not lose their immortality. New generations of elves did, but the cause is not yet clear. However, elven immortality was not lost by some strange magic, because Solas, Felassan, Abelas and all his compatriots ARE STILL ALIVE.

Elvhen immortality has to have been lost by the older elvhes at some point otherwise the world would still be swarming with immortal Elvhes. I don't think Abelas is immortal, just long lived due to his slumber. Solas however probably has maintained his immortality. The way I imagine things played out is probably something like this:

-Ancient Elvhes form an empire spanning fade and the real world with no Veil to stop them from moving between them. Said Elvhes are immortal due to hearing the ancient song (same one that sustains Cole)

-War between the Elvhen gods occurs, at the end of the war, Solas puts the Veil in place. Has the side effect of cutting Elvhes with weak connections to the Fade off from the Song. Only strong dreamers maintain their connection to the Song

-The leaders of the Elvish Empire, fearing their now mortal life spans turn to blood magic to extend their lives (my understanding is that elves using blood magic to extend their lives was referenced in the Masked Empire). Use of blood magic further weakens their connection to the fade, eventually resulting in dreamers becoming extremely rare.

[AstraDrakkar]

Chantry lore does state that the makers first creations were spirits... My theory is that the elven "gods" were immortal spirits. I could be wrong of course but thats what makes theory crafting fun!

[Aulis Vaara]

O.o Where did the idea of the Fade being a construct come from? Can't say I've seen that theory before. Veil being a construct, yeah that's extremely likely due to references to a "time before the Veil."


Elvhen immortality has to have been lost by the older elvhes at some point otherwise the world would still be swarming with immortal Elvhes.

Not if the immortal elves killed each other and the remnants were used as blood sacrifices by Tevinter for their more potent blood.

As for the fade being a construct: the crossroads was constructed as well, and the fade has a giant unchangeable (real?) city in the middle. Not exactly a natural formation, especially not in the fade where everything is supposedly malleable.