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[Wavebend]

Better build incoming soon™

 

Better build now here!

 

[Spin-Orbit]

this is all zone 1, where is zone 4?

[Drasca]

Key points:

• Mobility won't keep you alive against ranged mobs,. . .

 

Totally will. Just zoom zoom into cover or away from projectiles. Asaara's leap teleport is amazing. I've since learned to Leap forward, turn about face backward, then moon electric slide backwards toward the enemy butt first, and teleport.  I should record more video. Zoom zoom, zoom zoom across the map! Teleport into targetable pots!

 

Or if you really want to be trolly, into those archer towers like SOME people...

[JohnnyQPublic]

Totally will. 

 

Drasca, I have to disagree with you here.  Watching your Saarebas video, within the first couple of minutes there were about a zillion enemies around you just pounding the crap out of you.  And you just stood your ground and did fine.  In short, it seems you may have forgotten what it is like to play this game without a ton of promotions.  No mere mortal could withstand the beating you were being given (I assume you were not on routine or threatening).  

 

So I agree with Wavebend:  for most players, ranged mobs will wipe her out unless she's doing a defensive build (which is fine, but is not what either of you was trying to demonstrate).

[Wavebend]

this is all zone 1, where is zone 4?

 

I'll tell you what. The build in OP is complete shite. I have found something even better.

[DrascatonisFade3K]

Oh you are such a tease...

[Caldyrvan]

I'll tell you what. The build in OP is complete shite. I have found something even better.

 

You are messing around a lot with with your own posts these days

But keep up the good work.

[Drasca]

 Watching your Saarebas video . . .

 

LOL you don't know how to read titles do you? That one's learning the Saarebas on day one. Just like wavebend I've done even better since then. The video is an example to learn from, not an end all-be all. Unlike you, wavebend has a sense of humor, and knows I'm pulling his leg with fun stuff that awaits him.

 

 

I'll tell you what. The build in OP is complete shite. I have found something even better.

 

LOL I was waiting for this.

[JohnnyQPublic]

LOL you don't know how to read titles do you? 

 

Rude much?  Yes, I know you were just experimenting in your video.  That much was clear from both the title and the commentary.  Doesn't change my primary point:  you do stuff in your videos that most average players will never be able to replicate.

[Drasca]

Rude much?  Yes, I know you were just experimenting in your video.  That much was clear from both the title and the commentary.  Doesn't change my primary point:  you do stuff in your videos that most average players will never be able to replicate.

 

I don't' care about 'average' players. That's a logical fallacy, an appeal to 'only a true scotsman'. Average players are pugs and 'average' players die. Players in this forum that actually read builds and think about tactics are actually not average at all, if only for the simple fact that the average doesn't read the forum at all.

 

If you can't learn from someone else at all, and would rather dismiss the whole video as useless, you're not useful. Smart players look at examples and adapt what they can use for themselves. The rest doesn't matter. You want to nitpick at the stuff that doesn't matter, because you'd rather boo hoo about 'stuff you cannot do' rather than find stuff that you can.

 

L2P not L2QQ

[JohnnyQPublic]

I don't' care about 'average' players. That's a logical fallacy, an appeal to 'only a true scotsman'. Average players are pugs and 'average' players die. Players in this forum that actually read builds and think about tactics are actually not average at all, if only for the simple fact that the average doesn't read the forum at all.

 

If you can't learn from someone else at all, and would rather dismiss the whole video as useless, you're not useful. Smart players look at examples and adapt what they can use for themselves. The rest doesn't matter. You want to nitpick at the stuff that doesn't matter, because you'd rather boo hoo about 'stuff you cannot do' rather than find stuff that you can.

 

L2P not L2QQ

 

Wow.  If a mild (and in no way insulting) comment about your build videos sends you off on this kind of would-be-demeaning rant, then I don't think I care to continue this discussion with you.  Never fear, I'll never address you directly again.  

[Wavebend]

On topic: My biggest issue is Barrier (Saar-Taar shield). The finisher, while useful for the team, is too slow (read: trash) and only works well if you have ring / Heart of Pride. The upgrade for it is complete trash as well. The knockdown effect only works on humanoids (tested extensively), which is trash.

 

And someone that relies on the other abilities is rarely going to cast it, if at all, which is why I aim to replace it asap.

 

But still, whatever I'll replace it with doesn't matter much. The kit is already very team-friendly by applying massive amounts of incapacitating CC

[Wavebend]

Just to add a bit more:

 

I think it's a common misconception that the Saarebas is a good barrier caster.

• Her barrier casting animation takes 3x as much time as the keeper / ele.
• It only casts at 65% strength.
• She doesn't have Strength of Spirits, Knight-Protector or Reinforced Barrier.
• Since it takes so much casting time, it leaves you little time to play with other abilities/finishers.

Basically, you shouldn't ever play her as a barrier bot. Play a keeper instead, because she's complete trash in that regards.

[ruggie]

I wouldn't say trash but you need con to take hits... or stay way back and just doo range/barrier since it has no range. Everyone plays differently. But people do need to l2p. Also I can pull 2 dead lvl 1s through nm with her playing totally different than but I can get hit where as most the people on the forum can't and pay like they can. Also its kind of bw fault for not making in game guides or at least pronote the forum online.

[Drasca]

Just to add a bit more:

Basically, you shouldn't ever play her as a barrier bot. Play a keeper instead, because she's complete trash in that regards.

 

Unless you're hiding from cover on the other end of the map, and using the upgraded bacon barrage to hit without targetting anything from said other side of the map. Glyphs being the other ability that can be cast at the beginning of the map and forgotten about lasting until they fade.

 

She's the only gal that can support from a distance and permanently play keep away while still supporting.

[ruggie]

Also I read the title its for low stats I'm just saying the barrier can be decent if you play her far away with threat reduction amulet. But gl soloing with it. Lol

[Havoc49J]

I've got to disagree when it comes to Barrier spamming as the Saarebas. With Heart's Pride and Ring of Assaranda active you can spam barriers incredibly quickly. My rotation is refreshing Ring of Asaaranda every 3rd set of opening/flow/finishing to keep it active at all times. This means I can get off 3 casts of barrier in roughly 20 seconds or 65% barrier every 6.66 seconds. Obviously this is a very rough estimate, but it's the best I can do since I'm away from my game at the moment.

I actually think Saarebas barriers are too powerful and need to be toned down so as not to overshadow the Keeper so much.

[Drasca]

Also its kind of bw fault for not making in game guides or at least pronote the forum online.

 

I would say BW could do better at marketing, but since that costs money and its EA that holds the purse-strings, I blame EA (because I want to). You're right that the marketing and promotions side could be better, it is just a hard question to really answer exactly how given limited time and resources.

 

You're also right that there's definite L2P involved. This is a new and advanced class with interesting complexities, that's definitely true for all of us right now. I've recently worked on mastering the zoom zoom (asaara's leap) and its super super fun. Integrating other abilities will take time.

 

The combos with this girl.. the combos! Its so awesome to have useful choices available.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

I have to say, my first experiments with her were not good at all..

Probably because I just looked at her power tree and said "eh, feck it. What makes the biggest boom?"

She seems to do great close range damage, but takes too long to cast it, in a situation where ideally a fast a cast time as possible is my preference.

I like having a character I could plan and think about how I play her, but realistically if I want to do massive AOE elemental damage close up, I would just pick an Avvar instead. Without the long casting animation she would be amazing, maybe too good..

[Wavebend]

Unless you're hiding from cover on the other end of the map, and using the upgraded bacon barrage to hit without targetting anything from said other side of the map. Glyphs being the other ability that can be cast at the beginning of the map and forgotten about lasting until they fade.

 

She's the only gal that can support from a distance and permanently play keep away while still supporting.

 

Yes, but that's a drastically different playstyle. If you're playing full support from the other side of the map, with the intent of never attacking the enemies, dealing CC or damage, then I say go all in. Take the speed ring, take heart of pride, cast the glyph and be carried by the rest of the team.

 

What I'm just saying is, unless you have heart of pride or the ring, her Barrier ability doesn't blend well with the rest of the build and doesn't synergize well.

 

I've got to disagree when it comes to Barrier spamming as the Saarebas. With Heart's Pride and Ring of Assaranda active you can spam barriers incredibly quickly. My rotation is refreshing Ring of Asaaranda every 3rd set of opening/flow/finishing to keep it active at all times. This means I can get off 3 casts of barrier in roughly 20 seconds or 65% barrier every 6.66 seconds. Obviously this is a very rough estimate, but it's the best I can do since I'm away from my game at the moment.

I actually think Saarebas barriers are too powerful and need to be toned down so as not to overshadow the Keeper so much.

 

Did you try playing the keeper with Heart of Pride? You'll be casting much stronger barriers and just as fast via Gathering Storm and basic attacking, while also having other options, such as Static Cage, DF, etc.

[Drasca]

I've got to disagree when it comes to Barrier spamming as the Saarebas. With Heart's Pride and Ring of Assaranda active you can spam barriers incredibly quickly. My rotation is refreshing Ring of Asaaranda every 3rd set of opening/flow/finishing to keep it active at all times. This means I can get off 3 casts of barrier in roughly 20 seconds or 65% barrier every 6.66 seconds. Obviously this is a very rough estimate, but it's the best I can do since I'm away from my game at the moment.

I actually think Saarebas barriers are too powerful and need to be toned down so as not to overshadow the Keeper so much.

 

Its more the equipment rather than the kit that is so OP. That's OK though. I'm sure BW will nerf if they feel it were too OP... They sure did after we made the Lego videos... and come to think of it my Bolt based video too... Damnit I should stop releasing videos-- it is working against me.

 

But yes, with the right combination of equipment it is super super powerful. That combination is really rare to get though.

[Drasca]

Yes, but that's a drastically different playstyle. If you're playing full support from the other side of the map, with the intent of never attacking the enemies, dealing CC or damage, then I say go all in. Take the speed ring, take heart of pride, cast the glyph and be carried by the rest of the team.

 

You missed the part where I said use Upgraded Bacon Barrage. It'll hit from the other side, and do damage.

[Deez Nugs]

Just to add a bit more:

 

I think it's a common misconception that the Saarebas is a good barrier caster.

• Her barrier casting animation takes 3x as much time as the keeper / ele.
• It only casts at 65% strength.
• She doesn't have Strength of Spirits, Knight-Protector or Reinforced Barrier.
• Since it takes so much casting time, it leaves you little time to play with other abilities/finishers.

Basically, you shouldn't ever play her as a barrier bot. Play a keeper instead, because she's complete trash in that regards.

I have to disagree. Admittedly, I'm not as advanced in promos and weapon drops as you guys (But that just says more about the power of her support skills, imo)  that have been at this for a while, but from what I saw last night, she's amazing at support. I played her with a Barrier, Ring, Glyph, Blast build and we were destroying NM. I could keep perma barrier without getting in the middle of the fray. I could CC when needed and the ring is CLUTCH when combined with the glyphs. 45% dmg reduction on top of the barrier + 30% attk speed. ridiculous. 

[ruggie]

The athlok burst is beast if you can take a few hits. Or corner pull and pull or freeze them through the wall. Lol. I need the banner before they nerf her. Also bw should consider when they nerf if based off videos posted on here most the vids are from people who are passed the l2p line. Walking fortress and bolt are those characters main abilities and most people still got rock before both nerfs. Lol. Idc my flow of battle will bring wf up quick but I feel bad for low stat players. Will the dps lego make a come up?

[ruggie]

Please do not use words like ridiculous until I complete my 250 thanks.