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Should I get get JoH and the descent before trespasser?


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TheChosenOne

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Just what they title says, I finished the game five times, one playthorough for each race plus an extra human, and I was spent. JoH came out, didn't really interest me. The descent came out, it kinda did but not really. Now Trespasser...... THAT´S a DLC I want to get. However I worry my Inquisitors may not be up to the task as they don´t have to best gear or maybe not as high as they should be ( My strongest is level 20 ) Should I get them in better shape before trespasser and play the other DLCs and maybe even get the packs they released?

 

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Heh, we both made topics on the two DLCs at the same exact time.

Seems some of us are crawling out of the woodwork and considering forking over cash for them now that a DLC that actually interests us is coming.
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Heh, we both made topics on the two DLCs at the same exact time.

Seems some of us are crawling out of the woodwork and considering forking over cash for them now that a DLC that actually interests us is coming.

 

Jeffzero!! Great minds think alike, amiright!?

 

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If you want to buy only one, I'd recommend Jaws of Hakkon first. More content and lots of lore insights into the Avvar and some of the Inquisition's history. The final segments nets you decent gear and the quests lots of XP. Also if you can beat the Hakkonite enemies, I figure you're ready for whatever Trespasser will throw at us.

 

Descent does, however, give you some pretty great gear towards the end. But it mostly looks ugly and the DLC itself is a tad short.

 

I'd also avoid the item packs. They are pretty much just cosmetic schematics and mounts.


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Getting the other DLC's is completely up to you, however once your character starts Trespasser he/she leaves the main game and can't go back so the other 2 DLC's would have to be finished by said character prior to starting Trespasser anyway.


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I did. I didn't have either DLC until I bought them last week. Gives you some more fun adventures, loot and abilities.



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If you don't want the other DLC I'd say complete all if not most quests including the annoying side sh*t, before the dlc's came out I had two inquisitors at lv22 or 23(I have to check) from completing all quest in the main game

But I would recommend getting JoH and the descent because they are pretty good and the gear is great and all you have to do is beat both of them once and with the golden nug you can transfer all your schematics to your other inquisitors if you don't like the DLC and don't want to play them again
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You know, JOH has lots of lore content. However, it's essentially another giant map, with barely any cinematics. The area is beautiful for sure, you can also spend lots of time playing it. It's worth it because it adds another major story mission to this game which certainly lacks it. The combat is challenging as well, you get some new schematics, gear.
If you had to buy one of them, I'd go with the descent and I'll tell you why. It's a completely different experience and a refreshing one at that. It's fast paced, dungeon crawling with plenty of cinematics to boot. It'll be a fun addition to your game because it's different and more linear in its approach. It's definitely shorter than Hakkon, but I personally find it to have more replay value than Hakkon. With Hakkon you're pretty much doing more of the same, albeit it's still really fun.

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The items in these DLCs could be pretty useful when tackling the new DLC. Not only that but they are flat out fun, do it up and get both.


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Yes.

Get it all done now! The stuff from it will help with playing Trespasser too!

 

Or.

 

No.

You can just get and complete Trespasser, since it appears the other DLC won't affect it (I mean maybe? But probably not). Later on, when you feel like it, future playthroughs (or just use an older save..?) can do Jaws of Hakkon and The Descent.

 

Summary.

You can, it'd be nice, you may really like it, but you don't have to, and it won't severely impede your Trespassing.

 

I'd say yes if you have the money and are actually willing to pay. By asking, I assume you are ultimately willing to pay. So I say yes. But again, you don't have to.


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If you want to buy only one, I'd recommend Jaws of Hakkon first. More content and lots of lore insights into the Avvar and some of the Inquisition's history. The final segments nets you decent gear and the quests lots of XP. Also if you can beat the Hakkonite enemies, I figure you're ready for whatever Trespasser will throw at us.

 

Descent does, however, give you some pretty great gear towards the end. But it mostly looks ugly and the DLC itself is a tad short.

 

I'd also avoid the item packs. They are pretty much just cosmetic schematics and mounts.

 

My possible plan for buying DLC is staggered, to keep me busy of and on for the rest of the year(? maybe).

 

Assuming that there won't be more item packs or whatever:

1)Deluxe Edition Upgrade $10 + Jaws of Hakkon $15 +Spoils of the Avvar $5 = $30

2)The Descent = $15

3)Trespasser $15 + Spoils of the Qunari $5 = $20

= $65, though I'll be looking for sales.

 

I'll be making better use of the item packs in future playthroughs, of which I'd like to do at least a couple. At some point. Alternatively, I could just go:

1)Jaws of Hakkon + The Descent = $30

2)Trespasser = $15

3)Deluxe Edition Upgrade + Spoils of the Avvar + Spoils of the Qunari = $20, saved for use in future playthroughs.

 

DECISIONS.



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The DLCs are also good if you want to beef up your level. My current character is at the level cap (27) after having completed JoH (but not Descent) and she has yet to start What Pride Had Wrought.



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i think the DLCs are fun. i didn't like re-doing them loads on all my characters though, but want to get them done on everyone before trespasser as you wont be able to do them afterwards (unless you replay trespasser)


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I've finished both old DLCs, and I'd say this:

 

- get Trespasser, of course. Even if it's not awesome, Solas' return and the epilogue is worth it.

(though it does feel unfair that we have to pay for the epilogue to the game)

 

- Jaws of Hakkon is good, it's like one more area to the game (think Emerald Graves, maybe?), but maybe it's worth to wait for a sale - it's okay, it's a good part of the game, but money-quality value is not that good. If you do want one more area for your playthrough, then yes.

 

- Descent is just not worth it. I'm trying to find any arguments (beautiful visuals? Deep Roads? Darkspawn?), but it's just bad and pretty boring. No revelations at the end, either. Sorry.



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Just what they title says, I finished the game five times, one playthorough for each race plus an extra human, and I was spent. JoH came out, didn't really interest me. The descent came out, it kinda did but not really. Now Trespasser...... THAT´S a DLC I want to get. However I worry my Inquisitors may not be up to the task as they don´t have to best gear or maybe not as high as they should be ( My strongest is level 20 ) Should I get them in better shape before trespasser and play the other DLCs and maybe even get the packs they released?

 

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I'd say it's entirely up to you I wouldn't say you have to get them. I haven't seen Descent so can't comment  too much on DLC but if you like a fight with the darkspawn again it might be worth it.  JoH on the other hand is just essentially just a new area to explore with more rifts to collapse and a story about the first Inquisition. The enemies are quite challenging at first but once you get used to it it's quite a fun area. It's an interesting run but not necessarily required as it doesn't really have any bearing on your Inquisition. Trespasser on the other hand based on what I've seen is going to be very interesting in fact delaying my next run of the game so I can play both Descent and Trespasser during it. Hopefully I'll be finished with DA2 at some point today so I'll be ready to go.



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Yes.
Get it all done now! The stuff from it will help with playing Trespasser too!

Or.

No.
You can just get and complete Trespasser, since it appears the other DLC won't affect it (I mean maybe? But probably not). Later on, when you feel like it, future playthroughs (or just use an older save..?) can do Jaws of Hakkon and The Descent.

Summary.
You can, it'd be nice, you may really like it, but you don't have to, and it won't severely impede your Trespassing.

I'd say yes if you have the money and are actually willing to pay. By asking, I assume you are ultimately willing to pay. So I say yes. But again, you don't have to.


That's certainly decisive. ;)
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I'd agree with others that; JoH was better than Descent.

-Descent IS uber short but it is a very linear dungeon crawl no chance of getting lost (which is odd since the deep roads are supposed to be this endless maze of death).
But having a linear area like this is a MUCH needed break from the large areas in the main game.
-Be warned Descent does burn-up quite a bit of Inquisition Power points. (So if you're working to get your power up, Descent can make a big dent in it. JoH doesn't do this.)
-Loot is slightly slightly below JoH's loot (on some characters.)

JoH-dragon/Descent-no dragon
JoH-rifts (=fade touched mats) /descent-no rifts

JoH- shards (=permanent elemental resistance boost) /descent-no shards (but you're doing the same exact thing but only with gears and now, no permanent elemental resistance boost.)

*(I never understood why people complained about shards(?) for the small amount of effort it took to collect them, the pay-off was huge. It's the only way to get a permanent elemental resistance boost that doesn't require equipping accessories or adding it to armor sets. So it frees those up to be used for other things. Sure, it can get old but the pay-off is worth it IMO. Plus, Descent would've been the perfect locale for an Elec resistance boost. )

JoH-limited cut scenes (largely due to other gamers saying "we don't want cut-scenes." I'll keep my opinion to myself about these gamers...) /Descent-normal amount of cut scenes.

JoH-intended to be be played later in the game. /Descent-feels like it's intended to be played earlier in the game (not early, early though. But it does scale.)

JoH-party banter /Descent-adds 2 tag-alongs, but squaddies are mutes (very limited interaction.)

JoH-more Harding /Descent- less Harding

JoH- adds a new anchor ability/ Descent- no new anchor ability (in fact, Descent makes the anchor feel pointless, but perhaps there's a reason? But it does feel like Descent could've been accomplished with a large inquisition force rather than the Quizzy him/herself.)

But I really don't think they'll have any impact on Trespasser, maybe a single one-liner, if anything...but can't say for certain...

I think they're both enjoyable though so I say go-for-it.

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I say get both to experience more of a "complete" story for the Inquisitor.  Like you I have played through the game each time with every race and was burned out with DAI for awhile. I've been playing Witcher 3 for some time and then all the dlcs/patches started coming out for DAI which brought me back. I deleted all my DAI characters because I wanted to start anew. I enjoyed Descent even though it was short and I am really loving JoH. After JoH I will finish the main story to be ready for Trespasser by Tuesday. 



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The shards are ughhh but doable the first time.

 

After that, I just get bothered and the rewards don't even cross my mind.

 

I'd have loved a Golden Nug for them (and mosaic and bottle at that).



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JoH-limited cut scenes (largely due to other gamers saying "we don't want cut-scenes." I'll keep my opinion to myself about these gamers...)


Argh. Amen. If there is one things I wish I could just flat-out change about gaming, it is that there is apparently a not-inconsiderable contingent of gamers even within BioWare fandom who want as few cutscenes as possible. I fall on the opposite end of the equation. Cutscenes maketh the game for me. :(
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Argh. Amen. If there is one things I wish I could just flat-out change about gaming, it is that there is apparently a not-inconsiderable contingent of gamers even within BioWare fandom who want as few cutscenes as possible. I fall on the opposite end of the equation. Cutscenes maketh the game for me. :(

I know, right?!
Who are these "renegade" gamers spoiling things for the rest of us?
It seems many on the forums tend to be of a like mind (in general).
I never thought I was the minority (?) if I am, so be it.

Cut scenes convey; emotion, information, mood and the characters mentality better than standard game play.
Not to mention, it shows off the Dev's artistic ability.
But there's a limit, I don't want 30min cut scenes where they're not needed.
But there is a happy medium and I believe what they've been doing is it (-JoH). (I'm good with more of course, but if there are those among us who don't want them, and their skip button doesn't work...then at least keep it consistent with the "norm".
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Upto yourself, way i see it the more ppl get the DLC tells BioWare, but more importantly the brass at EA, that ppl want more DA, an that aint no bad thing if you want another DA game.

 

The subject matter of both DLC dont an still doesnt interest me much, but more areas to explore and enhance my game well that does, i personally have the dlc to offer "alternate" lvling areas if i dont wannae do some of the base game areas, for that alone there worth it for me



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Agreed all-around, ZombiePopper.

I think the thing is that forumites are less likely to fall into our camp, but a sizable number of potential players for any BioWare game are going to be buying it from a story-is-relatively-irrelevant perspective, folks who just really love fighting and exploring. They're probably not going to go deeply enough into the fandom to pop up here, where we spend several hours of any given week debating lore, but if BioWare can successfully record their metric, well, I suppose it makes sense to cater to them to an extent with regard to post-release transactions.

That written, I feel like there was a point between ME2-DA2-ME3 where the driving force of BioWare's marketing department was buzz terms such as "cinematic" -- right at home for me, frankly. It was often ridiculed by a portion of the fanbase, who felt as though all sorts of other stuff was being sidelined in favor of lots of, well, cinematics and whatnot, but it certainly worked for me! And ME2, at least, has survived the years with a sterling reputation overall. The point I'm trying to make is that I think all three of those games had a ton of DLC that emphasized this idea first and foremost, whereas it seems like DAI has been a bit less so, as a reflection of the changing times. Right now, sales appear dictated more so by game world size than anything, and so DAI's marketing campaign highlighted this above all else, and its main story comes up fairly short for some of our tastes as a result.

Whew, this post went into greater detail than I'd intended. Sorry!
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I would only recommend them IF money is not an issue at this time. Personally, I enjoyed Descent more than Hakkon. But both had their ups and downs.

 

Either way, I don't see the game acknowledging whether you've played either, so I wouldn't worry about that.


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JoH is pretty good. It relates to the main story, sort of and its an example of a much tighter zone. If all the zones had been this well done in the main game, DAI would have been a masterpiece.

 

Descent adds more cut scenes and is quite linear. Like others had said, it's very short, but for a dungeon crawler, it's pretty good. My biggest quibble is that it barely links to the main story.


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