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[InfinitePaths]

Shale might be. Er, um... But this isn't necessarily about being a virgin. It's about being promiscuous. It's a bad thing because it shows Morrigan doesn't do it for love, nor does she stand by the man she has sex with. It's just a game to her. It doesn't mean anything. And she has done this several times. It's the same case with a bard like Leliana. They use sex and seduction to get close to a target. It's dishonest.

 

 

 

Gosh WTF, what century is it? There's nothing wrong or condemnable about having sex for pleasure, and not for love. It's human instinct to have sex and you shouldn't shame people for doing it. People get horny and crave sex, it's perfectly natural.

 

I do, condemn, however, the fact that she used sex to manipulate people and lure them into killing them.

[Andromelek]

I didn't like the fact that Alistair killed her.

He is a traitor, I was pissed but not surprised, that is the kind of person that we truly should distrust, Witches stay faithful to their word when they make a promise, the brat-man is capable to dump whatever you have done for him when you are no longer useful or you are not acting like he would wish.

I really hope she comes back, she didn't deserve dying betrayed.

[AntiChri5]

I wouldn't trust Morrigan with a sock. Much less any power.

 

The only reason she drinks from the well is because I trust Mythal less. Least this way if worst comes to worst I can shove a sword through her gut without Mythal pulling my strings.

When my most recent Inquisitor let Morrigan drink from the Well, that was the exact reasoning.

 

Unfortunately, she was somehow unable to explain such logic to Vivienne, who strongly objected due to Morrigan's untrustworthyness.

[Ieldra]

Most people's reaction to Morrigan is rather indicative of the statement that reason is the slave of the passions, so let me be upfront about this and tell you first why I like her. The matter of trust will be easier to understand after that:

 

I like Morrigan because...

(1) ...she doesn't conform and lets no one and nothing impinge on her autonomy.

(2) ...she values knowledge and leaves no opportunity to acquire any secret knowledge she can find.

(3) ...she's a mage

(4) ...she dislikes the ruling ideology.

(5) ...she doesn't believe in the Maker.

(6) ...she's easygoing about sex.

 

Which means she has much in common with the type of character I would, most likely, be if I projected myself to Thedas as a mage. I understand her and she's a reliable factor. I know where to trust her and where not, because it's where I'd trust myself or not, and those characters I play who have a number of traits from the list above will know that their goals and Morrigan's are likely to be aligned beyond the current situation.

 

The dark ritual? My characters do it or reject it for various reasons depending on how I envision them, but *I* know how she thinks and I have no problem with her using sex as a tool towards an end I can understand. That means that even those of my characters who reject the DR do it without rancor or condemnation, because to do anything else would feel narrow-minded, and that's a trait I don't like to play.

 

As for accusing her of being a thief: to those who do that: may I ask if you have done the Crime Wave quest?

 

Also, everyone has goals they don't like to share with others. Why would I ever hold that against her? Everyone has secrets, too. So she was using the Warden to get what she wants - so what? Everyone tries to influence others in order to get what they want. Really, everyone, and it's not as if the Warden was any worse off for it. Quite the opposite, in fact, considering the DR.

 

In the end, trust is a matter of understanding and expectations. I do not expect my Warden's companions to tell me all their secrets and goals. I do not expect my Warden's companions to be perfectly honest. I do not expect that because I am not like that either, and neither are any of the characters I play, and neither is anyone I know. Also, trust, or its lack, is never absolute. There are always situations where you trust someone, and others where you don't. If you understand someone, you will know one from the other and the other person becomes a reliable factor.

 

I understand Morrigan and I like her. As for trusting her, the question is, as always: with what?     

[Ellawynn]

People distrust them because of a mix of narrative framing and the narrative itself. Morrigan and Flemeth are both cryptic, teasing characters. Their character designs tend towards the darker side of the scale. They are rarely received well by other characters and the camera likes to zoom in for close-ups when they make vague, ominous remarks. That's the writers framing them as evil, without really proving it. Same reason why anyone with half a brain knew Loghain would betray them - everything from the camera angles to his character design invoked common villain tropes.

 

And then the narrative itself - Morrigan and Flemeth have done nothing directly harmful, but neither have they been honest or upstanding. They make a point of displaying how they know very much and share very little. They've both been manipulative and deceitful when it suits them. They've both only helped when there's something they stand to gain (Morrigan only helped to get the Old God soul/The Well's knowledge. Flemeth only helped to get Maric's blood/Get the Old God Soul/Have her soul copy taken to Sundermount. Her aid in Inquisition seems to have come free, but I suspect this is because she hasn't named her price for it - yet) And as someone earlier in the thread pointed out, if they were truly heroic, truly concerned for the well-being of Thedas, they'd intervene in situations where they don't stand to win something. Flemeth could have prevented the Orlesian Invasion, or the Wardens' exile, or any number of awful, world-changing events. And yet she didn't. Clearly, simple altruism isn't their aim.

 

Of course, Flemeth and Morrigan could very well be trustworthy and well-intentioned and the narrative is just trying to throw us off. We don't know. We have no solid answers. And for the record, I do actually rather like Flemeth and Morrigan - but no, I wouldn't trust them for ****.

This is how I see it. People are responding to the word witches. So far they are neither evil or good. Both can be reasoned with. Flemeth has helped King Marc, the Warden, Hawk and even the Inquisitor.  

 

I'm humored by how many people cover for Solas. He actually caused the breech and wants to commit genocide. Let's face it the Magisters cause the blight and Solas caused the breech. Both Flemeth and Morrigan have helped but for their own reasons.

Solas didn't cause the Breach - Corypheus did. Solas gave him the means, and blame falls on him for that, but he didn't make the Breach happen and he didn't want it either. He can tell you all this at the end of Trespasser.

 

And as for the Magisters - they may have unleashed the Blight, but they likely didn't cause it. Besides, they did neither intentionally.

[Anaeme]

Stop calling her Morrigan,

 

 

Her name is Morrigu...

[PIT_DEFENDER]

 

In both Origins and Inquisition you have companions who are suspicious of Morrigan and just seem to expect her to betray you in the first chance she gets. And yet... that just never happens.

The closest thing to that was her quitting after you refuse the Dark Ritual, but I don't see what the big deal is.

The only people who were bound by an oath were Alistair and the Warden. Everyone else was free to go anytime they wanted. I wouldn't have had a problem with Leliana leaving if she so desired.

And in Inquisition, well, she is as faithful as any good ally.

In Flemeth's case, it has more to do with the fandom. Some believe she is a potential villain, but I just don't see it.

She might not be a saint, as her ex-lovers would tell you if they were alive. However, a person who makes a habit of aiding heroes of legend is far from ill intentioned.

 

"Men are always willing to believe two things about a woman: one, that she is weak, and two, that she finds him attractive." - Morrigan

[MrMrPendragon]

Morrigan? I don't have a problem trusting her because while she ultimately goes for what she wants without thinking of others, what she wants doesn't necessarily conflict with what I want.

 

Example 1: Warden wants to defeat the Blight, Morrigan helps and offers a way out. She doesn't stop you from killing the Archdemon.

Example 2: Inquisitor needs to stop Cory from getting to the Eluvian. Morrigan tells Inquisitor about this, but she wants the secret power for herself. She helps you with your war but she also wants something. That's fine, I was the one who drank from the Well anyway.

 

Flemeth on the other hand is totally a villain or at least semi-villain. She doesn't reveal anything worth-noting and always watches her words. It's like she's so afraid of what people think of her plan that she keeps it secret even to the main protagonists. She warns you about stuff but you might as well not listen to her because all her advice are vague. And it makes me really angry.

 

Like really Flemeth, if you're going to prophesize about some world-ending catastrophe, don't you think it would be best if you laid out all the details you dumb woman?! How the hell am I supposed to know what the f*ck you meant? For all I know you're so high on crack that all you're saying is absolute bullsh*t!

[TheExtreamH]

Dunno bout Morrigan..

 

But I don't trust any body who can suddenly transform from

 

 

(old ugly hag, probably with yellow teeth)

 

to...

 

 

(NILF - nanna I'd like to f----)

What about Isabela?

From nasty crack addict, riddled with STD's

 

 

to sexy Persian godess

 

Thedas really has some good cosmetic doctors.