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[Jugger nuggss]

I'm not a fan of changing Unbowed to Livid. On the Lego it's not so bad but that was my one source of gaining Guard for my sweet, sweet Templar babby. Even if I swapped my Superb Stamina Amulet for the cool down amulet the difference would be less than 5 seconds which is big but keeps me from WomboCombo-ing, which entertains me to no end, as much. In short, Biovar give me my Unbowed back or I'm gonna stomp my feet through the house and refuse to eat my vegetables. Also, I want a Drufallo rogue character.

[T_elic]

Between livid and WF not reducing cooldown anymore, the lego has become a lot less appealing for NM and HB.

[Silversmurf]

I'm not a fan of changing Unbowed to Livid. On the Lego it's not so bad but that was my one source of gaining Guard for my sweet, sweet Templar babby. Even if I swapped my Superb Stamina Amulet for the cool down amulet the difference would be less than 5 seconds which is big but keeps me from WomboCombo-ing, which entertains me to no end, as much. In short, Biovar give me my Unbowed back or I'm gonna stomp my feet through the house and refuse to eat my vegetables. Also, I want a Drufallo rogue character.

 

Don't worry, Unbowed is still a 10% proc on the Hakkon 1h.  It's handy supplement along with WF, which seems to proc quite a lot.

 

T_elic, I thought exactly the same thing until you equip Hakkon.

[T_elic]

Don't worry, Unbowed is still a 10% proc on the Hakkon 1h.  It's handy supplement along with WF, which seems to proc quite a lot.

 

T_elic, I thought exactly the same thing until you equip Hakkon.

 

True, but i don't have the hakkon longsword.

[Jugger nuggss]

Don't worry, Unbowed is still a 10% proc on the Hakkon 1h.  It's handy supplement along with WF, which seems to proc quite a lot.

But I don't have the Hakkon 1h

[orange_apples]

As much as I hated the changed from unbowed to livid, the part that really got my blood boiling was they changed the skill tree and don't give us a free respec for lego and/or templar. If you're going to change how the class works then at least give us the ability to change our build one. A single claim respec for those 2 that cost nothing or 1/1/1. I haven't put in the same hours as some of you so I don't have the cloth to spare on respecs. I still have armors to get.

 

I used Unbowed on both of them and if I could I'd change that Livid to Combat Roll. Possibly War Cry for Legionnaire

[coldsteelblue]

Thought this too myself actually & wonder, why not give us a choice to upgrade Unbowed? Either upgrade it to livid or Unbowed+, but once 1 upgrade is chosen the other is locked out, as not to have both.

 

 

Just my thoughts.

[Jugger nuggss]

Yep. Unbowed was a must for her. Recover from being knocked down, a stagger and a gain if Guard. Biovar plox

[Jugger nuggss]

Having said all that, I'm a fan of everything else in the newest patch. Except spending 100000 gold with not 1 new weapon.

[JiaJM98]

I don't mind about changing unbowed to livid. I'm annoyed at the WF nerf. No CD reduction = no more CS + WF back to back

 

Survival has never been an issue with lego. It's a matter of how often you can taunt stuff towards you and support your team mates.

[xsvTOYZ]

Don't worry, Unbowed is still a 10% proc on the Hakkon 1h.  It's handy supplement along with WF, which seems to proc quite a lot.

 

T_elic, I thought exactly the same thing until you equip Hakkon.

this may be true but I have 50 nm dragon runs and 1 hakken      what the FU%^ happened to the hakken drops? and yeah the livid cool down is way too long for the Templar to be as usefull

[Yallegro]

Try this

 

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The Templar

Builds 2:

      

 

    Yallegro’s Nightmare Vanguard                         Yallegro's Heavenly Soldier

 

Video Nightmare Vanguard

 

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Nightmare Vanguard 

 

Intro Nightmare Vanguard

 

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In the other guide I have 3 variations for a Wrath of Heaven build, but for nightmare and with recent buffs, the Horn of Valor version emerged victorious. I even dumped Shield Bash to save stamina for Horn of Valor and the Wrath of Heaven combo. Don’t expect to kill many enemies in a single combo, often it takes two so you’ll need the stamina for it. It’s worth noting that the combo weakens targets, boosting arcanes.

 

In other modes Horn of Valor had a problem being efficient. Targets died too quickly, people under/overestimated their damage and the boost was wasted while people ran towards new targets. In nightmare you fight long battles against enemies with tons of health, solving these problems (and somewhat replacing them with knockdown spam).

Horn of Valor now adds considerably to armor so you want to use it whenever possible.

 

Shield Bash was hard to let go but enemies had too much health, too much guard too and there where just too many enemies that couldn’t be knocked down. I replaced it with Attack-cancel spam to pump me full of stamina and lower cooldown with Flow of Battle. Shield Wall does a good job replacing it, stunning assassins, RT knight and shieldbearing warriors while giving you a defensive option against bosses and Revenants. It was even necessary to function properly.

+Venatori Mages are a prime target for WoH but they’re protected by shieldbearing warriors who knock you down for trying, use Shieldwall and make them pay

+There’s tons of Venatori brutes about and blocking them prevents a knockdown

 

The Skills of The Nightmare Vanguard

 

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Wrath of Heaven

-Devastating against demons

-Devastating against all when combined with Spell Purge

-Range is similar to that of barrier

-Can be made to damage mages and several red templar units with Mageslayer passive

-Long cooldown time

 

Spell Purge

-Mostly used for a combo with Wrath of Heaven

-Can be used to dispel magical mines

-Can be used to dispel the Storm/Frost Dragon’s special attack from you and allies

-Damages barriers a lot but does not simply destroy them by default

 

Horn of Valor

The good :

-Is easy to get for a Wrath of Heaven build

-Increases the damage of every party member by 20% at tier2 (not 35%, no dmg increase at tier1) 

 (courtesy of Yarpenthemad)

-Since the recent armor buff it now adds greatly to your armor rating 

(+15%) 

 

Shield Wall (use when)

-You want to block a boss attack (which generate enormous amounts of guard)

-You want to block a Chest Guardian attack which generate enormous amounts of guard)

-You have stepped on a magical mine

-Shield Bash will stun warriors with shields if they attack you 

-You want to disrupt a fierce combo (assassins, Rage Demon, Red Templar Knight,…)

-Remember that blocking with low stamina makes the block fail at the cost of stamina.

 

How to use Nightmare Vanguard

 

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You’re going to have to jump, a lot. Wether it be elemental mines, knockdown warriors or Terror/Despair demons, there is all kinds of stuff trying to stop you from effective casting Wrath of Heaven and finishing with Spell Purge. It’s even so that I had to switch the order often, dispelling mines first then hitting the mages with Wrath of Heaven (+Mageslayer for 700% wpn dmg). Shield Wall can protect you from at least a few knockdowns though I have no full list of attacks that can be prevented this way. Always try to keep your shield aimed towards enemies for defensive bonusses. Consider a quick retreat to have all your enemies on one front. Your main job is boosting allies, setting of the Wrath of Heaven combo and occassionally tank a Brute, Assassin or RT Knight. I strongly recommend giving Spell Purge the damage upgrade as there is tons of damage to be done that way. I adopted Guard Smasher for this build so remember this when you spot a Brute or Pride demon. I use this build with a lot of attack-cancel to speed things up a bit, I left a description of what the attack cancel is in Yallegro’s Big MP Build Thread.

 

How to build Nightmare Vanguard

 

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http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Belinda

 

-Get Shield Bash

-Get Wrath of Heaven tier2

-Get Spell Purge

-Get Turn the Bolt

-Get Flow of Battle (unless you have a poor critical chance) 

-Get Horn of Valor tier2

-Get Deep Reserves

-Upgrade Spell Purge and acquire the Mageslayer passive

-Choose your last passives, I really like Guard Smasher

 

The attack-cancel exploit

 

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Normally a basic attack sequence consists of a four hit combo (more for daggers). If you are at all unsatisfied by the speed of that combo you can try the attack-cancel to speed it up. You wait until you landed your first hit, then hit L3, the sprint button. You will return to your starting position in the combo. By spamming L3 with proper timing you can hit an enemy a lot faster in a fashion much resembling an old-school hack-and-slash animation. Alternative to L3 you can use "press and hold" skills like Shield Wall or Block and Slash, which even provides a chance to block/counter with these abilities.

 

Appreciating the Mage Slayer passive

 

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Obviously you will do more damage to mages with this passive but there are several other creatures affected by this passive namely: Red Templar Horror, Red Templar Knight, Red Templar Shadow, Red Templar Behemoth and all the Chest Guardians. These enemies will take 700% weapon dmg from Wrath of Heaven and will take 10% extra dmg from everyone in the party because of the Champions of the Just passive.

 

Frontal defense

 

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Besides some knockdown and a killer combo, you will need to learn how to use your frontal defense. I cannot stress this enough, the difference in defense from the front and anywhere else is a difference of night and day. This only increases when you get the relevant passives that up your frontal defense. The front is an area covering about 180° wherever the legionnaire is facing. Always try and keep yourself facing the largest amount of enemies possible. Do not blindly rush forward to get yourself flanked. If you do get surrounded it’s time for Wrath of Heaven. If that is not a option, retreat to get your enemies on one front. Also, if you have to retreat : Jump, jump, jump. It really helps

 

Getting enemy attention

 

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Finally, the best way to get your enemy’s attention without a taunt is to swing your sword in his face. Do whatever you can to get in the way of charging warriors, get between an archer and his target and chase down targets that moved past you with your basic attack.  Chasing down is risky however as you allow yourself to be flanked. Do not chase down warriors when still facing archers from the front

 

Also I think tank type templars should actually perform better now, better damage reduction, better damage.

 

You will have to learn how to use Frontal Defense + Livid though

[xsvTOYZ]

thanks for the nice videos but it doesn't fix LIVID      we can all work around it  

Im not trying to anger anyone and sharing builds is nice but cookie cutter the builds does not mean I see the weaknesses same as you

I actually have a Templar as a Lego build I find very usefull as well and this nerfed that too

if there was a 2nd "useful" taunt it would not be so bad

[Spin-Orbit]

thanks for the nice videos but it doesn't fix LIVID      we can all work around it  

Im not trying to anger anyone and sharing builds is nice but cookie cutter the builds does not mean I see the weaknesses same as you

I actually have a Templar as a Lego build I find very usefull as well and this nerfed that too

if there was a 2nd "useful" taunt it would not be so bad

wear the aggro amulet

[Silversmurf]

True, but i don't have the hakkon longsword.

 

Spend 884k in the store like I just did to get one.....

 

...time to start smashing all those pots again now that I am broke.

[Sulaco_7]

I would just like an explanation for WF nerf. Luke talks about everything else except for this one thing... not mentioned in the patch notes, not mentioned anywhere. It's baffling. Can we at least increase the duration of WF back to 8 seconds???

[Yallegro]

I would just like an explanation for WF nerf. Luke talks about everything else except for this one thing... not mentioned in the patch notes, not mentioned anywhere. It's baffling. Can we at least increase the duration of WF back to 8 seconds???

 

 

1: Luke doesn't talk about 9/10th of changes

 

2: Nerfes don't need to be explained unless a class ends up broken (not the case here)

 

3: I hear there was an unholy combination with Bolters and cooldown reduction so there's a good reason to take that away

[JohnnyQPublic]

3: I hear there was an unholy combination with Bolters and cooldown reduction so there's a good reason to take that away

 

I completely disagree.  Bolters are one possible enemy on one wave of one possible faction.  So what if the Lego was strong in that one rare circumstance?  Isabela is especially weak against bolters, so does that mean Bioware should buff her entire elusive mechanic to compensate?  Of course not, nor should the Lego have been nerfed for such a limited reason.

[Broganisity]

Hello Livid, I'm Broganisity.

[Jugger nuggss]

Hello Livid, I'm Broganisity.

Get out of here dad.

[Cirvante]

3: I hear there was an unholy combination with Bolters and cooldown reduction so there's a good reason to take that away

 

What are these Bolters you speak of?

[Jugger nuggss]

What are these Bolters you speak of?

They go pew pew pew and my character falls over

[TheSpookyAce]

1: Luke doesn't talk about 9/10th of changes

 

2: Nerfes don't need to be explained unless a class ends up broken (not the case here)

 

3: I hear there was an unholy combination with Bolters and cooldown reduction so there's a good reason to take that away

I strongly disagree. There should be a rationalization behind balance changes (both buffs and nerfs) unless it is way too obvious to everyone (for example, SS nerfs since there is already a whole thread dedicated to it). They had their reasons for the changes and it will take less than a cup of coffee's time to brief them. If your third point is true then it will take even less time to confirm it. Btw bolters rarely occur on wave 4 now.

[Caldyrvan]

I always enjoyed Lego. Taking the damge for your teammates. Being nearly invincible, unless you pick stupid abilities and mess with cooldowns.

On the other hand he never did great damage (even with Livid it´s nothing [nothing +50%= still nothing ]) so fair trade.

Now you hope your CDs will be ready only to make sure not to die.

 

Even high promoted played have to compensate, I guess. But the ones who got really hurt are the players with low or mid range promotes.

[Broganisity]

Get out of here dad.

Go to your room, son.